0-3 vs Winnipeg this year.
- JetsCameHome

I can see how you would take offense to this comment. It was more meant towards the Flyer fans who discredit the wins by Bobrovsky, because he only wins versus "inferior" opponents.

Apparently, the same concept is not true for Bryzgalov. His wins, regardless of the opponent, are all worth the same.

What are you talking about? That's what sniper means? I thought it was a guy that shoots a lot and hits his target about 10% of the time. Aren't snipers part of an elite military group? And aren't they picked because they are able to kill targets with extremely high accuracy? But hey, I'm sure if they were true snipers like Jeff Carter, clicking at a stellar rate of 181 for 1660 or 11% , they would all be continued assets to the armed services.

Take more shots...score more goals. At times he didn't even look to make a pass, instead opting for that ever retarded wing drive, off angle, wide shot that killed any attack. In addition, the dude was robbed more times (see Fluery, MA) with an open net then some TEAMS over the course of decades. I mean if you are sniper, you should be able to hit the net (and miss the completely out of position goaltender).
- Flyers1218

I'm coming around to this point of view as I read the arguments. Except for the bolded part. The puck was deflected by Campbell. Can we please put this part to rest....please?! For (frank)s sake, why make a perfectly good argument and then (frank) it up by posting nonsense.?

I like your resiliency/defiance in getting back up again and again.
- Flyskippy

Glutton for punishment.

(also the reason I keep returning to this Godforsaken place)

Glutton for punishment.

(also the reason I keep returning to this Godforsaken place)
- bradleyc4

It's my penance for having a great life.

Make sure you take into account shots attempted that go wide or are blocked. The shots you're talking about are just the ones that make it on net.

Shots > Shots on goal > Goals > Meaningful goals (never scored by Jeff Carter)
- Flyskippy

Sarcasm is a wonderful thing .

Glutton for punishment.

(also the reason I keep returning to this Godforsaken place)
- bradleyc4

It's like that Hotel California song, you log out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

How many shots did Carter have where he skated down the wing and took a shot and missed high and wide or into the goalies chest?
Enough times I would argue. Is he a very good goal scorer, yes but I wouldn't go so far to say he is a sniper.
Hartnell has what 25 goals and may score 40. So can we call Hartnell a sniper?
There is a difference between a sniper and goal scorer.
Stamkos I would consider a sniper. O could be labeled a sniper.
- bird_dog

Carter didn't miss the net anymore then any other top shot producer did. Look into Ovechkin's missed shot percentages. Carter was a sniper in my opinion.

I'm coming around to this point of view as I read the arguments. Except for the bolded part. The puck was deflected by Campbell. Can we please put this part to rest....please?! For (frank)s sake, why make a perfectly good argument and then (frank) it up by posting nonsense.?
- MBFlyerfan

Wasn't talking about the Campbell play at all. Campbell made a HELL of a play and if it wasn't deflected, I'm pretty sure there is a game 7. What I'm talking about is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVCjnhVokA or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUBCQI6hWgE or even http://www.youtube.com/wa...1&list=PL8CFE5F70C55B1F84.

I'm sorry, but I get it happening once and MAAAAYYBBEE twice. But three times!?!?! And we are arguing that he's a sniper? Plus, these are just the tip of the Iceberg. Come on. Again, kudos to Carter for putting himself in prime scoring positions, but let's not sully a guy like Mike Bossy, a true sniper, by saying the guy who consistently shoots more than everyone else scores more goals.

Well, if Wayne Simmonds shot approximately 325-350 times a season, based on his current numbers, he would have around 39-42 goals. Jake, wouldn't be as high, but he would be around 30. Because you shoot and score a lot more on average a year than most other players doesn't mean that you are a sniper. It just means you have more opportunities to score. If anything, it's just a testament to Carter's unique ability to put himself in a consistent shooting position.
- Flyers1218

A sniper is a player who scores goals at a high rate in a season, has a very dangerous strong shot, and is a threat to score on every shot, from anywhere in the offensive zone. The point being missed is that Wayne Simmonds doesn't have the ability to generate that many shots, or as many as Carter is capable of generating. Why does a player have more opportunities to score? Does it just happen by accident?

Hary Z is not a 3rd line player in the League right now. He's a 4th line energy player.
- MJL

Well, when you have injuries sometimes your 4th line players have to play on the 3rd line... It will be easy to limit the 4th line minutes and allow Talbot to take extra shifts instead of Zulnerczky.... But it is better then having Holmstom dressed and Zulnerczyk scratched.

Well, when you have injuries sometimes your 4th line players have to play on the 3rd line... It will be easy to limit the 4th line minutes and allow Talbot to take extra shifts instead of Zulnerczky.... But it is better then having Holmstom dressed and Zulnerczyk scratched.
- RooNosHockey

They aren't at the point where Harry Z needs to play on the 3rd line. There is nothing wrong with having Holmstrom as a 4th line center. The 4th line last night was played to matchup against Winnipeg. And they did a good job.

Carter didn't miss the net anymore then any other top shot producer did. Look into Ovechkin's missed shot percentages. Carter was a sniper in my opinion.
- MJL

Steven Stamkos- 32 Goals on 165 Shots... 19.4%
Jonathan Toews- 27 Goals on 153 Shots... 17.6%
Phil Kessel- 26 goals on 153 Shots... 15.0

Thats 3 of the top 5 scorers. I would say two of them I consider snipers, with Steven Stamkos being the definition of a sniper. The lowest shoot % of his career is better than Carter's. Even the other two guys Neal and Malkin have at or BETTER shooting percentages. And none of these include miss shots. I'd be shocked in Ovechkin and Carter didn't lead the league in the last 5 years under the title of "Shot that should have never been taken."

Carter didn't miss the net anymore then any other top shot producer did. Look into Ovechkin's missed shot percentages. Carter was a sniper in my opinion.
- MJL

Steven Stamkos- 32 Goals on 165 Shots... 19.4%
Jonathan Toews- 27 Goals on 153 Shots... 17.6%
Phil Kessel- 26 goals on 153 Shots... 15.0

Thats 3 of the top 5 scorers. I would say two of them I consider snipers, with Steven Stamkos being the definition of a sniper. The lowest shoot % of his career is better than Carter's. Even the other two guys Neal and Malkin have at or BETTER shooting percentages. And none of these include miss shots. I'd be shocked in Ovechkin and Carter didn't lead the league in the last 5 years under the title of "Shot that should have never been taken."

Carter didn't miss the net anymore then any other top shot producer did. Look into Ovechkin's missed shot percentages. Carter was a sniper in my opinion.
- MJL

Steven Stamkos- 32 Goals on 165 Shots... 19.4%
Jonathan Toews- 27 Goals on 153 Shots... 17.6%
Phil Kessel- 26 goals on 153 Shots... 15.0

Thats 3 of the top 5 scorers. I would say two of them I consider snipers, with Steven Stamkos being the definition of a sniper. The lowest shoot % of his career is better than Carter's. Even the other two guys Neal and Malkin have at or BETTER shooting percentages. And none of these include miss shots. I'd be shocked in Ovechkin and Carter didn't lead the league in the last 5 years under the title of "Shot that should have never been taken."

Carter didn't miss the net anymore then any other top shot producer did. Look into Ovechkin's missed shot percentages. Carter was a sniper in my opinion.
- MJL

There you go...now you're coming around.

Carter didn't miss the net anymore then any other top shot producer did. Look into Ovechkin's missed shot percentages. Carter was a sniper in my opinion.
- MJL

Steven Stamkos- 32 Goals on 165 Shots... 19.4%
Jonathan Toews- 27 Goals on 153 Shots... 17.6%
Phil Kessel- 26 goals on 153 Shots... 15.0

Thats 3 of the top 5 scorers. I would say two of them I consider snipers, with Steven Stamkos being the definition of a sniper. The lowest shoot % of his career is better than Carter's. Even the other two guys Neal and Malkin have at or BETTER shooting percentages. And none of these include miss shots. I'd be shocked in Ovechkin and Carter didn't lead the league in the last 5 years under the title of "Shot that should have never been taken."

Sorry guys for all the repeat posts. My computer or the school internet seemed to have gone haywire here for a few moments. It won't let me remove the additional posts.

Milan Michalek, sniper? or just plain handsome?

A sniper is a player who scores goals at a high rate in a season, has a very dangerous strong shot, and is a threat to score on every shot, from anywhere in the offensive zone. The point being missed is that Wayne Simmonds doesn't have the ability to generate that many shots, or as many as Carter is capable of generating. Why does a player have more opportunities to score? Does it just happen by accident?
- MJL

Well, there are a lot of variables...all of which i am too lazy to look up right now since I am at work (i.e. TOI, special teams, etc.

Soul Train's Don Cornelius commits suicide at age 75. Self inflicted gun shot to the head.

Milan Michalek, sniper? or just plain handsome?
- OrangeBlack27

More handsome than Selanne?!

Good game by Bryz. Now let's see him do it vs. an NHL-caliber team.
- bradleyc4

The Thrashers/Jets have beaten the Flyers from pillar to post the last two years. And beaten them every which way from Sunday. 1-0, 9-8, shootout.

Absolutely pathetic that they did it without Kane and Byfuglien their two best players last night.

A sniper is a player who scores goals at a high rate in a season, has a very dangerous strong shot, and is a threat to score on every shot, from anywhere in the offensive zone. The point being missed is that Wayne Simmonds doesn't have the ability to generate that many shots, or as many as Carter is capable of generating. Why does a player have more opportunities to score? Does it just happen by accident?
- MJL

Well, did you read my last few sentences? Carter has an innate ability to put himself in a scoring or shooting position. But because of that fact, shouldn't he theoretically score more? If he can be in better position than Wayne Simmonds, has a better shot then Wayne Simmonds, or can generate more shots then Wayne Simmonds wouldn't it be fair to assume that if, according to current stats, Simmonds shouldn't be able to even sniff Carter like numbers, however, theoretically at his CURRENT PACE, if Simmonds shoots the puck 325-350 times he would score 39-42 goals. If Carter was such an elite sniper and his generating and shooting ability was that of a sniper, he should technically score as many goals as he does in less amount of shots. Who's a better sniper:
Sniper A- 4 kills in 5 shots or Sniper B- 4 kills in 10 shots?

The fact that Simmonds could match Carter if they went shot for shot, does that mean Simmonds and Carter are both snipers or does it mean perhaps mean that they both consistently put the puck in the net because they put themselves in good position to do so, with Carter being better at this aspect of his game, thus 46 goal seasons?

2 points back with a game in hand. We are relevant again!

Soul Train's Don Cornelius commits suicide at age 75. Self inflicted gun shot to the head.
- PLindbergh31

Went out with a bang.