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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Feb 1 @ 9:49 AM ET
A few times G passed up wide open looks only to take the same shot moments later when he was either covered or blocked. It was weird, and very noticeable. He also made some crazy pass attempts in lieu of taking a good high % shot.

He did not have a very good game at all last night.

- MBFlyerfan


i thought he sucked.
bird_dog
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PEI
Joined: 09.30.2011

Feb 1 @ 9:52 AM ET
Here's a simple concept missing from your original point. A player has to be good enough, and have the ability to generate quality shots during a game. And he also has to have a quality shot to score goals at the rate that Carter did in his last 3 years or so with the Flyers. It's not an accident, and it's not simple mathematics. If it was just about "mathematics" then any player could just simply shoot the puck enough and score at the rate that Carter did here. Pretty simple concept.
- MJL


How many shots did Carter have where he skated down the wing and took a shot and missed high and wide or into the goalies chest?
Enough times I would argue. Is he a very good goal scorer, yes but I wouldn't go so far to say he is a sniper.
Hartnell has what 25 goals and may score 40. So can we call Hartnell a sniper?
There is a difference between a sniper and goal scorer.
Stamkos I would consider a sniper. O could be labeled a sniper.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 1 @ 9:52 AM ET
The Flyers are now 0 - 2, in the last 2 games, when I am the first to post on game days!

sigh!

This isn't good!


What is up with Claude passing up shots? Shoot the puck Claude!

- ggunky


Giroux needs to definately shoot more as his skills are legit. He is trying to make too many fancy plays out on the ice instead of getting the puck to the net. Im not worried cause he is too talented to stay off the score sheet.

I am concerned that we keep losing when you post first...so wait a few seconds before doing that.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 1 @ 9:53 AM ET
i thought he sucked.
- hammarby31


I was trying to be delicate....


But yes, he sucked ass last night.
Flyer_Nation71
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Your sister's house
Joined: 11.15.2010

Feb 1 @ 9:54 AM ET
While I agree to a point. I don't see in the end how much help it will actually be unless they bring in a different goalie every week. After a while, shooting at the same two goalies in practice, sure you get used to beating them and visa-versa, but once you face a new goalie you are back in the same boat somewhat. Its all a crapshoot.

I have no problem with who was used last night. At least Cooter and G had seen some actual action over the past week. And its not like Briere or JVR were available (two others I would use) And the way Jagr was going last night I was hoping he would be used.

Bottom line is the team couldn't score two goals against Winnipeg. And they pissed away a great performance by Bryz. There should have never been a shootout.

- MBFlyerfan



But on the flipside, wouldn't this allow your goalie to realize his flaws (in Bryz's case, he goes down too early and leaves the entire top half open) and hopefully make him adjust, which in turn, could make him a better goalie?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 1 @ 9:57 AM ET
But on the flipside, wouldn't this allow your goalie to realize his flaws (in Bryz's case, he goes down too early and leaves the entire top half open) and hopefully make him adjust, which in turn, could make him a better goalie?
- Flyer_Nation71


I guess. But wasn't he beat 5 hole last night?

He can learn the shooting tendencies of our entire team if he wants, which all goes out he window once they play someone else.

And I don't see how practicing a shootout helps Bryz with his going down tendencies.

As I said, they should dedicate some time to practicing it, if for no other reason than to get used to doing it. But in the end I don't see how much difference it will make.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 1 @ 10:02 AM ET
Good game by Bryz. Now let's see him do it vs. an NHL-caliber team.
- bradleyc4


OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 1 @ 10:02 AM ET
i love g and hope he can win the ross, but enough is enough, im sick of every reporter and everything news related towards the flyers has to include g winning the ross, it seems to be affecting his play because thats all they ask him and jagr about, its reminding me of how the eagles were a "dream team" and thought they were better then they were and pooped it up.
- mydoglicks


lol it was literally just one day.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Feb 1 @ 10:04 AM ET
Good game by Bryz. Now let's see him do it vs. an NHL-caliber team.
- bradleyc4


Bryz does it against all teams. He is the man.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 1 @ 10:04 AM ET
i thought he sucked.
- hammarby31


the pass he made to hartnell when he was cutting to the net was pretty incredible, but overall, yeah, he was forcing too much last night. when he does that, it seems to affect his defensive game as well. he needs to get a goal and get it off his mind.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 1 @ 10:07 AM ET
the pass he made to hartnell when he was cutting to the net was pretty incredible, but overall, yeah, he was forcing too much last night. when he does that, it seems to affect his defensive game as well. he needs to get a goal and get it off his mind.
- OrangeBlack27


Gotsta shoot to score Klode!
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 1 @ 10:07 AM ET
the pass he made to hartnell when he was cutting to the net was pretty incredible, but overall, yeah, he was forcing too much last night. when he does that, it seems to affect his defensive game as well. he needs to get a goal and get it off his mind.
- OrangeBlack27



Everything else:
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Feb 1 @ 10:08 AM ET
sniper usually means high shooting percentage there slugger. The higher amount of shots you take, the higher your goal total. It's simple mathematics...just like when you goto a bar, you probably approach 100 women and only get lucky with 1 or 2. So, my explanation should make more sense to you.
- Flyer_Nation71


What are you talking about? That's what sniper means? I thought it was a guy that shoots a lot and hits his target about 10% of the time. Aren't snipers part of an elite military group? And aren't they picked because they are able to kill targets with extremely high accuracy? But hey, I'm sure if they were true snipers like Jeff Carter, clicking at a stellar rate of 181 for 1660 or 11% , they would all be continued assets to the armed services.

Take more shots...score more goals. At times he didn't even look to make a pass, instead opting for that ever retarded wing drive, off angle, wide shot that killed any attack. In addition, the dude was robbed more times (see Fluery, MA) with an open net then some TEAMS over the course of decades. I mean if you are sniper, you should be able to hit the net (and miss the completely out of position goaltender).
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Feb 1 @ 10:10 AM ET


Everything else:

- Flyskippy



i am never a fan of the masses yelling SHOOT!!!
But DAM...last night is when I wanted them to yell it.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Feb 1 @ 10:10 AM ET

- OrangeBlack27


nice follow-through
bird_dog
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PEI
Joined: 09.30.2011

Feb 1 @ 10:10 AM ET
Here's a simple concept missing from your original point. A player has to be good enough, and have the ability to generate quality shots during a game. And he also has to have a quality shot to score goals at the rate that Carter did in his last 3 years or so with the Flyers. It's not an accident, and it's not simple mathematics. If it was just about "mathematics" then any player could just simply shoot the puck enough and score at the rate that Carter did here. Pretty simple concept.
- MJL

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 1 @ 10:14 AM ET
nice follow-through
- bradleyc4

I like your resiliency/defiance in getting back up again and again.
JetsCameHome
Joined: 06.07.2011

Feb 1 @ 10:15 AM ET
Good game by Bryz. Now let's see him do it vs. an NHL-caliber team


0-3 vs Winnipeg this year.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 1 @ 10:18 AM ET
0-3 vs Winnipeg this year.
- JetsCameHome

0-2 and a gimmick loss. So, 0-2-1 officially.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 1 @ 10:18 AM ET
0-3 vs Winnipeg this year.
- JetsCameHome


u have r number, sir
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 1 @ 10:18 AM ET
0-2 and a gimmick loss.
- Flyskippy


aka 0-2-1

edit: with the third column representing ties, of course.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 1 @ 10:18 AM ET
aka 0-2-1
- OrangeBlack27


I edited, Mr. Too-fast-for-me.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 1 @ 10:19 AM ET
u have r number, sir
- OrangeBlack27

When we meet them in the playoffs, we're doomed.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Feb 1 @ 10:20 AM ET
Then we should just tell Voracek or Simmonds to shoot 300 times a Season, and they will both instantly turn into 35-40 goal scorers!
- MJL


Well, if Wayne Simmonds shot approximately 325-350 times a season, based on his current numbers, he would have around 39-42 goals. Jake, wouldn't be as high, but he would be around 30. Because you shoot and score a lot more on average a year than most other players doesn't mean that you are a sniper. It just means you have more opportunities to score. If anything, it's just a testament to Carter's unique ability to put himself in a consistent shooting position.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Feb 1 @ 10:21 AM ET
Well, if Wayne Simmonds shot approximately 325-350 times a season, based on his current numbers, he would have around 39-42 goals. Jake, wouldn't be as high, but he would be around 30. Because you shoot and score a lot more on average a year than most other players doesn't mean that you are a sniper. It just means you have more opportunities to score. If anything, it's just a testament to Carter's unique ability to put himself in a consistent shooting position.
- Flyers1218


Make sure you take into account shots attempted that go wide or are blocked. The shots you're talking about are just the ones that make it on net.

Shots > Shots on goal > Goals > Meaningful goals (never scored by Jeff Carter)
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