Oh, and you say Cornet has no skill? Maybe not. But he's getting the puck in the net this year. Lots of guys have made careers out of banging in those rebounds with little 'skill.' Not something just anybody can do.
- Bucky4Life

30% shooting percentage. I doubt he'll ever become much at the NHL level, but it's far too soon to just give up on him. The kid was also an all-star which may not seem like much, but before the start of the year this kid was thought to be one who could be in the ECHL. Obviously he's done something right this year.

To Cloutier he is....mid-summer he was going to be our 2nd line centre.


I totally disagree, somewhat respectfully, of your arguments. MPS is a 1st round player with that ugly 'potential' tag so he should be given every chance to succeed? While Cornet, who has done everything asked of him and more, but because according to you, he is a zero player from watching him 3 times, he should be nowhere near the 1st line because he has no potential?

I'll take a kid who has overachieved his draft tag over somebody who was 'given' a chance to succeed because of expectations.

Cornet has done fantastic in OKC this year. He deserves the chance. I hope he gets at least an assist tonight, just for you.
- Bucky4Life

I hope he puts up a point too. In fact I hope he scores and Richard tags him as our future #1 LW in front of Hall...

Are you telling me that a first round pick shouldn't have more time and money invested into them over a 6th rounder?

On top of that, I think Hartikainen should be in the lineup too.. another late rounder .. because he has the skill level to have a future in the NHL.

I don't know if you actually even follow the AHL team or not. The coach who a lot are giving credit for having a top team even though he has no superstars has said Cornet is a kid that should get a callup. You call him up you have to put him in a familiar role.
- Lahey

Of course the coach said that. He has 20 goals. Good for him and he should get a callup. Crippling the first line with him is not the right decision.

I hope he puts up a point too. In fact I hope he scores and Richard tags him as our future #1 LW in front of Hall...

Are you telling me that a first round pick shouldn't have more time and money invested into them over a 6th rounder?

On top of that, I think Hartikainen should be in the lineup too.. another late rounder .. because he has the skill level to have a future in the NHL.
- kingbrehm

PRV has gotten his time this year. It's quite clear that he isn't producing so let him develop his game in the AHL.

We've went through the pedigree guys, now is time to start playing the guys that are making a good showing in the AHL.

Of course the coach said that. He has 20 goals. Good for him and he should get a callup. Crippling the first line with him is not the right decision.
- kingbrehm

Pretty sure Hall's line will be the #1 line.

Oh, and you say Cornet has no skill? Maybe not. But he's getting the puck in the net this year. Lots of guys have made careers out of banging in those rebounds with little 'skill.' Not something just anybody can do.
- Bucky4Life

The difference is that Cornet is going to play from the perimeter. He might try to go and bang in a rebound but he's not going to have alot of luck in that department. Just watch tonight and let me know what you think tomorrow.

Pretty sure Hall's line will be the #1 line.
- Lahey

For you:

Crippling Gagner and Eberle is not the answer.

PRV has gotten his time this year. It's quite clear that he isn't producing so let him develop his game in the AHL.

We've went through the pedigree guys, now is time to start playing the guys that are making a good showing in the AHL.
- Lahey

MPS has no confidence whatsoever and the AHL is the right place for him now. But I can't help but wonder if he wasn't playing alongside Belanger and getting the short end of the ice time stick if he would be in a different position.

Are you telling me that a first round pick shouldn't have more time and money invested into them over a 6th rounder?

On top of that, I think Hartikainen should be in the lineup too.. another late rounder .. because he has the skill level to have a future in the NHL.
- kingbrehm

1) I am 100% telling you that. Ice time and opportunities should be based on results and commitment, not draft year. Scouts aren't right all the time. If a 5th rounder is outplaying a 1st rounder, the guy who's getting the job done should be on the ice. Period.

2) Harts had a great end to last year and has since struggled in the AHL.

So you base who gets the call on man-crushes. Harts and Cornet have similar draft pedigree (Cornet is actually higher) but you want Harts there because he has 'skill' while Cornet doesn't? 10 goals vs. 20 goals.

And based on your argument, Cornet should have the shot anyways because he was drafted higher...

For you:

Crippling Gagner and Eberle is not the answer.
- kingbrehm

Is it really going to be that crippling? Not really a whole lot of other options at this point. They like the Smyth-Belanger-JOnes line, do you put Eager instead of Cornet?

1) I am 100% telling you that. Ice time and opportunities should be based on results and commitment, not draft year. Scouts aren't right all the time. If a 5th rounder is outplaying a 1st rounder, the guy who's getting the job done should be on the ice. Period.

2) Harts had a great end to last year and has since struggled in the AHL.

So you base who gets the call on man-crushes. Harts and Cornet have similar draft pedigree (Cornet is actually higher) but you want Harts there because he has 'skill' while Cornet doesn't? 10 goals vs. 20 goals.

And based on your argument, Cornet should have the shot anyways because he was drafted higher...
- Bucky4Life

That's not even close to what I am saying.

1) More time is invested into a #1 pick. It's stupid to think otherwise. Comparing Cornet to MPS is apples and oranges considering their career path. Guys who get the job done should get the ice, of course. I am very simply saying that Cornet on a line with Gagner and Eberle is detrimental to the two guys who are putting up points.

2) Harts has been injured and will be back, and yes he has more of an NHL future than Cornet has in my most humble opinion

Is it really going to be that crippling? Not really a whole lot of other options at this point. They like the Smyth-Belanger-JOnes line, do you put Eager instead of Cornet?
- Lahey

I would absolutely put Eager in there instead.

That's not even close to what I am saying.

1) More time is invested into a #1 pick. It's stupid to think otherwise. Comparing Cornet to MPS is apples and oranges considering their career path. Guys who get the job done should get the ice, of course. I am very simply saying that Cornet on a line with Gagner and Eberle is detrimental to the two guys who are putting up points.

2) Harts has been injured and will be back, and yes he has more of an NHL future than Cornet has in my most humble opinion
- kingbrehm

And putting Cornet on the 4th line is detrimental to that line.

Cornets career in the NHL will be played out in its entirety during the month of February so don't miss a moment of it. He is terrible.
- kingbrehm

yep.
career ahl'er.
think alex giroux..with worse hands.

cant understand why people are bothering to argue with you.
your point is simple.
yes, hes put up some points this season in the minors, but that does not make him a better fit on a scoring line in the show than guys who actually WILL have a future in the nhl. Scoring line players or not.

many, many, mediocre, career ahl'ers have had decent seasons in the farm--this does not make them suitable for the nhl

And putting Cornet on the 4th line is detrimental to that line.
- Lahey

If he is out there with similar players like Lander and Petrell I don't see how that is going to be negative to that line. In fact, with those guys it might actually be an effective line since they all compliment each other.

yep.
career ahl'er.
think alex giroux..with worse hands.
- joe77

Precisely

yep.
career ahl'er.
think alex giroux..with worse hands.

cant understand why people are bothering to argue with you.
your point is simple..
yes, hes put up some points this season in the minors, but that does not make him a better fit on a scoring line in the show than guys who actually WILL have a future in the nhl..scoring line players or not.

many, many mediocre career ahl'ers have had decent seasons in the farm--this does not make them suitable for the nhl
- joe77

I thought I was living in the twilight zone there for awhile. Thank you for re-establishing my faith in humanity.

If he is out there with similar players like Lander and Petrell I don't see how that is going to be negative to that line. In fact, with those guys it might actually be an effective line since they all compliment each other.
- kingbrehm

He is nothing like Petrell and Lander.

yep.
career ahl'er.
think alex giroux..with worse hands.

cant understand why people are bothering to argue with you.
your point is simple.
yes, hes put up some points this season in the minors, but that does not make him a better fit on a scoring line in the show than guys who actually WILL have a future in the nhl. Scoring line players or not.

many, many, mediocre, career ahl'ers have had decent seasons in the farm--this does not make them suitable for the nhl
- joe77

The lack of options is why he is there. It's really that simple. He doesn't work out then Renney will adjust.

yep.
career ahl'er.
think alex giroux..with worse hands.

cant understand why people are bothering to argue with you.
your point is simple.
yes, hes put up some points this season in the minors, but that does not make him a better fit on a scoring line in the show than guys who actually WILL have a future in the nhl. Scoring line players or not.

many, many, mediocre, career ahl'ers have had decent seasons in the farm--this does not make them suitable for the nhl
- joe77

Career AHLer at age 21 in his second pro season with 20 goals in 38 games? How does that make him the next Alex Giroux?

Tell that to Alexandre Burrows.

Jesus (frank)ing christ.

Career AHLer at age 21 in his second pro season with 20 goals in 38 games? How does that make him the next Alex Giroux?

Tell that to Alexandre Burrows.

Jesus (frank)ing christ.
- mochoson

Alexandre Burrows: undrafted, measurable improvement in QMJHL, worked his way up, has physical tools to play multiple styles, dominated ECHL, literally fought his way into the AHL, continued to develop, excelled in AHL with more than just perimeter sniping, NHL 4th liner, improved his game week by week, earned the right through years of hard work and toughness to climb up the Canucks roster, top 6 NHLer making millions.

Phillipe Cornet: drafted, minimal improvement at junior level, below average rookie season, 20 goals in half an AHL season, nothing else to offer, weak, contributes to further pussification of Oilers roster, benefited from playing on a top 3 AHL team, called up and immediately promoted to top 6 duty.

Have you seen Cornet play?

Career AHLer at age 21 in his second pro season with 20 goals in 38 games? How does that make him the next Alex Giroux?

Tell that to Alexandre Burrows.

Jesus (frank)ing christ.
- mochoson

There's an unending list of guys that had moderate to great success in the AHL, only to end up not being talented enough to belong in the NHL. Burrows should be the exception, not the rule.

Edit: With that being said, I do hope he tears it up, we can always use more good players.

Alexandre Burrows: undrafted, measurable improvement in QMJHL, worked his way up, has physical tools to play multiple styles, dominated ECHL, literally fought his way into the AHL, continued to develop, excelled in AHL with more than just perimeter sniping, NHL 4th liner, improved his game week by week, earned the right through years of hard work and toughness to climb up the Canucks roster, top 6 NHLer making millions.

Phillipe Cornet: drafted, minimal improvement at junior level, below average rookie season, 20 goals in half an AHL season, nothing else to offer, weak, contributes to further pussification of Oilers roster, benefited from playing on a top 3 AHL team, called up and immediately promoted to top 6 duty.

Have you seen Cornet play?
- kingbrehm

Briefly

Re-read what you wrote.

Your analyzation of Burrows is dead on accurate. However, that took Burrows how many years of hard work? Burrows was a player who actually improved skill wise throughout the many levels of professional hockey, something most players rarely do. You word it as if when Burrows was Cornets age, there was even 1 person who could have told you he'd pan out the way he did. Theres NO (frank)ing way.

But with Cornet, all you care about is putting down a guy who JUST began his career. I'm sorry. Your not a scout. You can't tell me theres no way the kid has an NHL career ahead of him or not.

There playing styles withstanding, Cornet has made it to the NHL a lot faster then a guy like Burrows did. Even if he lasts 5 games this season and is sent back down, he has room for improvement. He is being rewarded for his improvements this season, kind of the same way Burrows was rewarded after many more years of hard work.

Is he gonna step right in and be a top 6 forward? Probably not. Could he be eventually? Maybe. Could he turn out to be nothing more but a 3rd liner? Sure. Could he be the next Alex Giroux like you suggest? Sure.

But lets give the kid a shot. Lets see what he can do.

Briefly

Re-read what you wrote.

Your analyzation of Burrows is dead on accurate. However, that took Burrows how many years of hard work? Burrows was a player who actually improved skill wise throughout the many levels of professional hockey, something most players rarely do. You word it as if when Burrows was Cornets age, there was even 1 person who could have told you he'd pan out the way he did. Theres NO (frank)ing way.

But with Cornet, all you care about is putting down a guy who JUST began his career. I'm sorry. Your not a scout. You can't tell me theres no way the kid has an NHL career ahead of him or not.

There playing styles withstanding, Cornet has made it to the NHL a lot faster then a guy like Burrows did. Even if he lasts 5 games this season and is sent back down, he has room for improvement. He is being rewarded for his improvements this season, kind of the same way Burrows was rewarded after many more years of hard work.

Is he gonna step right in and be a top 6 forward? Probably not. Could he be eventually? Maybe. Could he turn out to be nothing more but a 3rd liner? Sure. Could he be the next Alex Giroux like you suggest? Sure.

But lets give the kid a shot. Lets see what he can do.
- mochoson

Burrows is the exception. Most undrafted guys that play their max at junior and then start in the ECHL will not see the AHL ice let alone NHL. Burrows always showed improvement. Cornet showed some, but nothing he has to offer is dynamic. Chances are he will not make it but he will make a nice living putting up decent AHL numbers.

I'm not a scout, but I see him play a number of times a year. It's the only access I get to the Oilers besides the Centre Ice Package with my digital TV carrier so I relish the opportunity to see the Oilers farm team play.

It was very apparent in the games from last year that Omark had all the offensive talent to take over a game but defensively was a project. Teubert looked significantly better that any other OKC defenseman. Way better than Plante, and even last year when he first came over made Petiot (who I thought should have been given a Potter-like opportunity last season) look like an inferior player. And Phillipe Cornet, though he has found the net on a regular basis has absolutely nothing to offer at the NHL level. I hope he succeeds because if he does it make the Oilers better and it makes me happy. But he is invisible on the ice. I don't see a glimmer of hope in his play. Burrows is an all-heart type of player and I think those guys, that play a reckless style are the ones that end up being the exception to the rule because they make people notice, and their style of play reflects whats between their ears and how hard they are willing to work. Cornet may be a hard worker, but from what I have seen, he's had a good year and there is nothing more to it.

And my original point is still that he has no business being placed with Gags and Eberle. If you watch the game tonight, maybe he'll impress, but my feeling is that you will come away with a "meh" feeling towards him. He may develop into a serviceable player, but chances are he'll be riding buses most of his career.

Burrows is the exception. Most undrafted guys that play their max at junior and then start in the ECHL will not see the AHL ice let alone NHL. Burrows always showed improvement. Cornet showed some, but nothing he has to offer is dynamic. Chances are he will not make it but he will make a nice living putting up decent AHL numbers.

I'm not a scout, but I see him play a number of times a year. It's the only access I get to the Oilers besides the Centre Ice Package with my digital TV carrier so I relish the opportunity to see the Oilers farm team play.

It was very apparent in the games from last year that Omark had all the offensive talent to take over a game but defensively was a project. Teubert looked significantly better that any other OKC defenseman. Way better than Plante, and even last year when he first came over made Petiot (who I thought should have been given a Potter-like opportunity last season) look like an inferior player. And Phillipe Cornet, though he has found the net on a regular basis has absolutely nothing to offer at the NHL level. I hope he succeeds because if he does it make the Oilers better and it makes me happy. But he is invisible on the ice. I don't see a glimmer of hope in his play. Burrows is an all-heart type of player and I think those guys, that play a reckless style are the ones that end up being the exception to the rule because they make people notice, and their style of play reflects whats between their ears and how hard they are willing to work. Cornet may be a hard worker, but from what I have seen, he's had a good year and there is nothing more to it.

And my original point is still that he has no business being placed with Gags and Eberle. If you watch the game tonight, maybe he'll impress, but my feeling is that you will come away with a "meh" feeling towards him. He may develop into a serviceable player, but chances are he'll be riding buses most of his career.
- kingbrehm

'Multiple times.' Earlier you said maybe 3...don't make it sound like you're in the OKC pressbox every night.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Cornet is going to score 50 goals in the NHL or even have an NHL career. But you sitting behind your keyboard guaranteeing his failure because you saw him 3 times is a little ridiculous. Pair that with your argument that he shouldn't get a chance because of his draft pedigree, makes you sound ignorant and arrogant.