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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 31 @ 1:03 PM ET
The Black Stallion books. Then my sister started bringing me history books from college when I was 11. Horses and history, a winning combination.
- bodiva88

Nothing like reading at an elevated level at age 11. I had to read Flowers for Algernon in fifth grade for summer reading. It ended up being an (obvious) misprint, but boy was I confused
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 31 @ 1:04 PM ET
There is no reason why the Nashville Predators should allow one forward to walk in favor of another. Hartnell is in his 5 season as a Flyer and Nashville is still having trouble getting scoring at forward. Look at the Flyers, they've made it work. We've had 3 lines that can score since the season we signed Briere, Hartnell, Lupul etc. Even when we've traded away a scoring forward, we've replaced that scoring forward.
- Schenn2shine


Flyers and Nashville are 2 different markets. Nashville had to build up a fan base, and couldn't afford to just spend the way the Flyers could. It's not fair to compair them. A better comparison would be Minnesota or Columbus.... In which case i think Nashville has done a far superior job.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 31 @ 1:04 PM ET
Nothing like reading at an elevated level at age 11. I had to read Flowers for Algernon in fifth grade for summer reading. It ended up being an (obvious) misprint, but boy was I confused
- BulliesPhan87


I had finished the 12-grade reading program in 4th grade, so I was free to read whatever I wanted until high school. Lots of history, historic fiction, fictionalized history, and classic lit.

When I read Mary Queen of Scots it went completely over my head that her secretary David Rizzio was gay.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 31 @ 1:05 PM ET



- Flyskippy

CLAP CLAP CLAP!!!!
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Jan 31 @ 1:07 PM ET
The Black Stallion books. Then my sister started bringing me history books from college when I was 11. Horses and history, a winning combination.
- bodiva88


You'd love Kentucky then...wait what are your feelings on Bourbon?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 31 @ 1:08 PM ET
I didn't "just say" anything. I said what I feel could happen and I've given a great amount of detail as to why. Obviously I could be wrong and he could sign a deal with Nashville.
- Schenn2shine

But you did "just say" something.

"Why do you think everyone is so sure he'll be traded?" Is exactly what you said. Many people have also given a great amount of detail on why they think the Preds will try to keep him, or why it would make sense to wait another year.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 31 @ 1:09 PM ET
But you did "just say" something.

"Why do you think everyone is so sure he'll be traded?" Is exactly what you said. Many people have also given a great amount of detail on why they think the Preds will try to keep him, or why it would make sense to wait another year.

- jak521


Speaking of which, cant an Arbitrator award a player/team a 2 year contract? I think they can. Wouldnt that just make Nashville's day?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 31 @ 1:10 PM ET
I had finished the 12-grade reading program in 4th grade, so I was free to read whatever I wanted until high school. Lots of history, historic fiction, fictionalized history, and classic lit.

When I read Mary Queen of Scots it went completely over my head that her secretary David Rizzio was gay.

- bodiva88



EDIT:I love to read.. my friends tease me
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 31 @ 1:11 PM ET
Speaking of which, cant an Arbitrator award a player/team a 2 year contract? I think they can. Wouldnt that just make Nashville's day?
- RooNosHockey

I am almost positive all arbitration awards are one year in length.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 31 @ 1:12 PM ET
Nothing like reading at an elevated level at age 11. I had to read Flowers for Algernon in fifth grade for summer reading. It ended up being a(n) (obvious) misprint, but boy was I confused
- BulliesPhan87

stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 31 @ 1:13 PM ET
I am almost positive all arbitration awards are one year in length.
- jak521


I believe that is correct.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jan 31 @ 1:13 PM ET
There is no reason why the Nashville Predators should allow one forward to walk in favor of another. Hartnell is in his 5 season as a Flyer and Nashville is still having trouble getting scoring at forward. Look at the Flyers, they've made it work. We've had 3 lines that can score since the season we signed Briere, Hartnell, Lupul etc. Even when we've traded away a scoring forward, we've replaced that scoring forward.
- Schenn2shine


Comparing our ability to fill holes to Nashvilles is foolish. David Poile hasn't had anywhere close to the budget any Flyers GM has had during his entire tenure to spend on players.

Nashville doesn't operate the same way our team does. Find out who's worth the money, and spend it. The rest of the holes get filled with drafted players ready to make the jump, and cheap FA signings/trades.

Again, its why guys like Poile and Trotz have been there since Nashville was given a team. Theres a reason this team remains so competitive year in and year out. Its because from top to bottom, the organization excels in every area of operation.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 31 @ 1:15 PM ET
Comparing our ability to fill holes to Nashvilles is foolish. David Poile hasn't had anywhere close to the budget any Flyers GM has had during his entire tenure to spend on players.

Nashville doesn't operate the same way our team does. Find out who's worth the money, and spend it. The rest of the holes get filled with drafted players ready to make the jump, and cheap FA signings/trades.

Again, its why guys like Poile and Trotz have been there since Nashville was given a team. Theres a reason this team remains so competitive year in and year out. Its because from top to bottom, the organization excels in every area of operation.

- mochoson


Nashville does an excellent job. They may not have alot of success in the playoffs (yet) but I believe that is about to change. The organization is headed in the right direction.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jan 31 @ 1:17 PM ET
Totally Agree. But I think that Weber and Suter are both looking for them to take the next step by keeping the talent they have, and adding to it with either trades or UFA. They have done a good job at drafting and developing those draft picks, but they have been pretty poor at holding onto talent when it comes time to pay them, or reach out and snag good players to add to thier drafted players. I think that is what Suter and Weber want to see from Nashville before resigning...
- RooNosHockey


I dont think thats it at all.

Poile has done this. The guy went out and traded for Peter Forsberg during the teams best statistical season ever. The initiative is there. These guys want to be paid.

They have been with the team since the begining. They know this team is on a budget. However, this team is making more and more money each year due to their on ice success. Suter and Weber know that the pockets can be opened a bit more. They have done their part in making their team competitive. Now they want to be compensated for it.

Nashville is likely being stubborn in terms of giving them top dollar, which is why these guys may test the FA waters first to see what teams will really throw at them.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jan 31 @ 1:18 PM ET
Nashville does an excellent job. They may not have alot of success in the playoffs (yet) but I believe that is about to change. The organization is headed in the right direction.
- stveshdy


Without a doubt. Last year they took the next step and finally won a round in the playoffs. This year, I really think Poile is gonna be active at the deadline to give this team that extra punch it needs to go all the way.

I really, really think Poile is ready to overpay for Ales Hemsky.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 31 @ 1:21 PM ET
Speaking of which, cant an Arbitrator award a player/team a 2 year contract? I think they can. Wouldnt that just make Nashville's day?
- RooNosHockey


Looks like I am wrong. Players can only be taken to Arbitration 1 time in their career. That may change things, as Weber can refuse to sign an offer with Nashville, and accept a 1 year deal from another team. Nashville will likely accept the deal, then trade him though...
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 31 @ 1:24 PM ET
Without a doubt. Last year they took the next step and finally won a round in the playoffs. This year, I really think Poile is gonna be active at the deadline to give this team that extra punch it needs to go all the way.

I really, really think Poile is ready to overpay for Ales Hemsky.

- mochoson

I dont understand people saying that Nashville is not serious about winning...

They have signed their #1 goalie (and one of the best in the league) to a long term deal. They went out and traded for (and re-signed) Mike Fisher. They extended Erat. They do a hell of a job drafting every single year.

They need one big piece on offense and they could be scary good.. hell, right now they are tied for 4th in the league in points. Doesnt that say enough?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 31 @ 1:25 PM ET
Looks like I am wrong. Players can only be taken to Arbitration 1 time in their career. That may change things, as Weber can refuse to sign an offer with Nashville, and accept a 1 year deal from another team. Nashville will likely accept the deal, then trade him though...
- RooNosHockey

I think a player can take the team to arbitration and the team can take the player to arbitration.. which makes it a total of 2 years of arbitration. Could be wrong...
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 31 @ 1:26 PM ET
I dont understand people saying that Nashville is not serious about winning...

They have signed their #1 goalie (and one of the best in the league) to a long term deal. They went out and traded for (and re-signed) Mike Fisher. They extended Erat. They do a hell of a job drafting every single year.

They need one big piece on offense and they could be scary good.. hell, right now they are tied for 4th in the league in points. Doesnt that say enough?

- jak521

No.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 31 @ 1:27 PM ET
I dont understand people saying that Nashville is not serious about winning...

They have signed their #1 goalie (and one of the best in the league) to a long term deal. They went out and traded for (and re-signed) Mike Fisher. They extended Erat. They do a hell of a job drafting every single year.

They need one big piece on offense and they could be scary good.. hell, right now they are tied for 4th in the league in points. Doesnt that say enough?

- jak521


Apparently not enough to make Weber sign a long-term deal. The real question is: has Nashville offered Weber a long-term deal?
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jan 31 @ 1:29 PM ET
Apparently not enough to make Weber sign a long-term deal. The real question is: has Nashville offered Weber a long-term deal?
- stveshdy

I think they are serious about winning, but the players that need to sign there want to be cup contenders, not just a decent team, and management there has not proven yet that they are serious about being cup contenders.
MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Jan 31 @ 1:29 PM ET
I used to read the original Nancy drew books to my daughter. I'll give you a clue who did it...it was the swarthy man.
- Dkos


The Hardy's friend Chet was "stout" or "stocky".

The boys' spinster aunt was an "angular" woman.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jan 31 @ 1:29 PM ET
I dont understand people saying that Nashville is not serious about winning...

They have signed their #1 goalie (and one of the best in the league) to a long term deal. They went out and traded for (and re-signed) Mike Fisher. They extended Erat. They do a hell of a job drafting every single year.

They need one big piece on offense and they could be scary good.. hell, right now they are tied for 4th in the league in points. Doesnt that say enough?

- jak521


Which is why I honestly think Poile will give up a guy like Blum just to get even 30 games out of Hemsky.

It's also certainly worth noting Hemsky has grown frustrated with Edmonton, and that he LOVES country music

But seriously, I think Poile will at least be making calls about him.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 31 @ 1:30 PM ET
Apparently not enough to make Weber sign a long-term deal. The real question is: has Nashville offered Weber a long-term deal?
- stveshdy

I honestly think they were waiting to see how the season went, and what happens with Suter.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jan 31 @ 1:31 PM ET
Apparently not enough to make Weber sign a long-term deal. The real question is: has Nashville offered Weber a long-term deal?
- stveshdy


Yes. Prior to his arbitration, Dreger reported they offered him a huge deal.

I can't remember if it wasn't long enough, or wasn't enough money. I think Weber was looking for like an 11 year deal, and Nashville was offering like 7. Dont quote me on that though.
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