think about it jerk johnson is -86 on a team that doesn't let up many goals

not to mention he got a 7 year deal this year and his play has fallen off
way too man red flags to warrant paying much for him
- 2Real

Not a great indicator but an indicator. Anyone other then 2real that actually watches him have an opinion on Jack Johnson's D game?

Having lived there for 2.5 years I can say that that place sucks. I've lived in Central PA, Rochester, NY, Wash. DC area, Columbus, and now Lexington, KY. Columbus is the only place on that list where I wouldn't enjoy living again. Hated that town. High crime, flat grey concrete, poorly maintained roads, very bicycle unfriendly, not very green, OSU students, no thank you. I'd feel bad for Carter, but then again he could have hit that shot in the playoffs vs. Fleury, or the one in 2010 vs. Niemi and maybe he'd still be in Philly.
- Lexington Flyer

Yup hit niemi in the blocker that just kills me....

Not a great indicator but an indicator. Anyone other then 2real that actually watches him have an opinion on Jack Johnson's D game?
- coffee junkie

I dont see a ton of their games, but I have center ice.. and I try to watch as many games as possible..

The thing about JJ is that he could be good defensively, but just isnt there positionally.. He is either trying chasing the hit, or jumpin on offense.. he doesnt seem to recover well IMO. If he could change that.. he would be a heck of a 2 way d-man.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/trade_deadline/top25/index.html

Here's a rumor chart you don't have to pay for!
- archion113

Flyers are interested in every D-man on the list, except, thankfully, Gonchar.

...then again, they don't list any teams interested in Gonchar. Does that mean Ottawa is just begging someone to take him off their hands? If so, where the hell is Shelley and Walker, they should be on that list too.

Edit...thanks for the link!
- Lexington Flyer

He is just posting his source for his trade rumor. Maybe he should give it to Ek as a reliable source... lol

you agree?
- 2Real

I do

Tim Gleason has 15 career goals in 526 games.. Coburn had 9 in his first full season with the Flyers. Coburn has shown the ability to QB a power play. Gleason.. not even close.

Coburn is a much better all around d-man then Gleason. Not even close.
- jak521

There's a huge difference between playing on the PP, and quarterbacking the PP. Neither Coburn or Gleason has been that in their career's. Do you think that Coburn's agent used that Coburn can OB the PP, in the negotiations of his latest deal? I would give Coburn the edge as the better player. But to say that it's not even close, is simply innaccurate. They are very, very similar in terms of production, icetime, roles on the team, and how they're used. Hence their salaries are in the same ballpark. And is market value for both players

I dont know how their game is comparable though. Gleason is a smaller guy (6' 210lbs) who plays a rough hard nosed defensive game. He isnt even a 2 way d-man let alone an offensively gifted one.

Coburn on the other hand is a huge d-man (6'5'' 220lbs) who skates extremely well, has a very good first pass, can play big minutes, kill penalties and QB a power play..

With the editions of Pronger and Meszy.. his game changed. He didnt see the PP time he had.. (in his first full season while seeing regular PP time he had 5 goals and 10 assists). He was paired with Timonen a lot and you could see them trying to change him into a more reliable defensive d-man.
- jak521

If Coburn can QB a PP, any idea why he is only averaging 19 seconds a game on the PP this year? That's with Pronger being out. Couldn't we use a defenseman who can QB the PP right now?

I don't think the changes were because of the additions of Pronger and Meszaros. It's because his offensive game never developed the way many people thought it would. The Flyers are desperate for a reliable defender at the point, and Coburn still has zero PP time this year.
- bradleyc4

Exactly. Coburn showed promise offensively when he first got here. I myself was expecting big things from him offensively. But that part of his game went south and he developed into more of a physical defensive defenseman. Gleason and Coburn as players now, are very, very similar.

If Coburn can QB a PP, any idea why he is only averaging 19 seconds a game on the PP this year? That's with Pronger being out. Couldn't we use a defenseman who can QB the PP right now?
- MJL

why the hell is jvr continuing to get pp time (when healthy)?

why the hell is jvr continuing to get pp time (when healthy)?
- hammarby31

To speculate? Based on his hard shot, they are trying to develop his game there. I guess the only way to really do so, is to play him there. I'm sure they see what we see. That he struggles there. But they are showing patience. I guess. But your guess is as good as mine!

Thats one of the things my dad said to me when he called me. "As sad as it is Bud (he calls me Bud)... his family will be well provided for because of it. None of us (meaning all the other 500 workers who are getting laid off) can promise that."
- jak521

Sorry jak. I don't mean to make light of the story you relayed, but I couldn't help but think of this.



*I call my oldest son Bud too.*

I think we should stand pat other than getting a guy like Gill, Allen, or Sutton.

Suter's rights will be traded come June MOST LIKELY, and then we should pounce on Weber at the draft.

I think Suter will be Lidstrom's replacement in Detroit, and we will get Weber if that occurred. Shea will likely refuse to sign a new contract in Nashville once Suter leaves.

Weber is Homer's kind of defenseman, and I'm sure he's already salivating over the possibility of acquiring him. Nashville will likely have no choice but to sell if Suter does decide to test the market in the summer.

Schenn, Coburn, Wellwood, and a 1st round draft pick would be where I'd start.

I dont see a ton of their games, but I have center ice.. and I try to watch as many games as possible..

The thing about JJ is that he could be good defensively, but just isnt there positionally.. He is either trying chasing the hit, or jumpin on offense.. he doesnt seem to recover well IMO. If he could change that.. he would be a heck of a 2 way d-man.
- jak521

Nailed it. I watched the Kings a ton last year having CI and being on the west coast. I had JJ in my pool too. Drove me crazy with his +/-.

If Coburn can QB a PP, any idea why he is only averaging 19 seconds a game on the PP this year? That's with Pronger being out. Couldn't we use a defenseman who can QB the PP right now?
- MJL

Coburn cannot quarterback a power-play. That's lunacy.

Yup hit niemi in the blocker that just kills me....
- Philly1980

You (and many others) misremember this play. What actually happened was Brian Campbell dove forward and made an unbelievable play to get his stick out and slightly deflect the shot. The shot then deflected off Niemi's mask. I grabbed a still frame off the video replay at the time. I will never delete this photo.

I knew you were a Pens fan.
- Flyskippy

when did you know this

Coburn cannot quarterback a power-play. That's lunacy.
- LeachHextall27

If he could he certainly would be playing on the PP at the very least. So using that in comparing Coburn to Gleason as players, has no relevance.

when did you know this
- ob18

You're early today Radar.

Coburn cannot quarterback a power-play. That's lunacy.
- LeachHextall27

I used the term QB too loosely. He has been very productive on the pp when used there. In fact when he was getting the time there he put up better numbers than any dman not named pronger. Coaches also changed... Not sure if that contributed

You're early today Radar.
- rockychocbill

Choppers!

Exactly. Coburn showed promise offensively when he first got here. I myself was expecting big things from him offensively. But that part of his game went south and he developed into more of a physical defensive defenseman. Gleason and Coburn as players now, are very, very similar.
- MJL

Is it out of the realm of possibility that Coburn could return to a 9 goal 35 point d- man?

Exactly. Coburn showed promise offensively when he first got here. I myself was expecting big things from him offensively. But that part of his game went south and he developed into more of a physical defensive defenseman. Gleason and Coburn as players now, are very, very similar.
- MJL

I don't believe Coburn's offensive numbers have gone south because he doesn't have an offensive touch but more so because he's not placed in offensive situations. We've only recently seen Couturier's offensive touch because he was only being put in defensive situations and playing with less talented players. If Coburn were a regular on the PP, I have no doubt in my mind his offensive numbers would be much better. I for one happen to think he has a decent shot from the point. Couturier has seem to found a really balanced 2 way game playing with Simmonds and Read.

I used the term QB too loosely. He has been very productive on the pp when used there. In fact when he was getting the time there he put up better numbers than any dman not named pronger. Coaches also changed... Not sure if that contributed
- jak521

That's not the case either. Since Pronger has been here, in 3 Seasons, Coburn has scored 3 PP points. And before that, Coburn was used on the PP more. But he wasn't close to Timonen's production on the PP.

Is it out of the realm of possibility that Coburn could return to a 9 goal 35 point d- man?
- jak521

Possible? Sure, but unlikely. I think he's found his NHL niche.