They need a 2nd line center, IMO.
- Brian Huddle

What about Bolland or Sharpe?
I don't know them as well, but I thought their need was a LW?

Too many Asians?
- The Law

They've always been more skilled at installing car stereo systems in good time than they have been at removing them.

But maybe I'm just being stereotypical

They've always been more skilled at installing car stereo systems in good time than they have been at removing them.

But maybe I'm just being stereotypical
- AngryWhiteMale

I see what you did there!

They need a 2nd line center, IMO.
- Brian Huddle

Yup they do ...Kane was playing some centre this year and female dogin' about it.

BB was on the radio on the ride home last night. It sounded like he'd have to be blown away to move Grabo in the midst of a playoff race ....or if he had to move him because he's bringing in another centre.

meh, its the internet. laughing is the easy way out.

looking at those other two trades... it wasn't Beauchemin for Gardiner +. Lupul was considered a big "-", and the price we had to pay in addition to Beauch for Gardiner... and Anaheim really wanted Beauchemin back.

As for Kaberle, he was seen as a guy who would step up given better linemates, as many thought he was done with TO and just going through the motions. And again, Chia really wanted him. The first time Burke tried for Kessel, Chia wanted Kaberle + 7th overall(which, in hind-sight...). Both of those deals involved players the other GM really coveted, more than other GMs would have... and both were teams that Burke had a history of trading with.

Unless Chicago really wants Grabo, or wants to dump some cap on us, I don't see them giving up a comparable package to what we got for Kaberle and Beauch.
- Feeling Glucky?

Hmm, I guess that's a good point, plus we are freeing up cap space rather than taking on some as was the case in both of those deals..

So yea, maes a bit mroe sense, but I still think it would be entertained.

I wouldn't think Beach is the biggest problem IMO. Last year, Kaberle brought back Colbourne+, and Beauchemin brought back Gardiner+

Grabovski had 29 goals last season and is on pace for another 30G 30A season, which IMO makes him more valueable than either of Kaberle/Beachemin.

Not to mentiont he need for Centres this year.

Maybe its a little lopsided, but laughing at the trade makes no sense to me
- mfreedman

Burke can holdout for an offer he likes, the player he got back for Kaberle and Beuch are perfect examples. We dont have to trade him, can resign him to a reasonable contact (3.5-4 imo) he good value.

What about Bolland or Sharpe?
I don't know them as well, but I thought their need was a LW?
- mykokes

Bolland hasn't produced in the 2 slot, they're willing to move him or keep him in the 3 hole.

Sharp has been playing on the wing mostly.

I wouldn't think Beach is the biggest problem IMO. Last year, Kaberle brought back Colbourne+, and Beauchemin brought back Gardiner+

Grabovski had 29 goals last season and is on pace for another 30G 30A season, which IMO makes him more valueable than either of Kaberle/Beachemin.

Not to mentiont he need for Centres this year.

Maybe its a little lopsided, but laughing at the trade makes no sense to me
- mfreedman

Imagine... Hab fans making fun of anything a Leaf fan says...

Burke can holdout for an offer he likes, the player he got back for Kaberle and Beuch are perfect examples. We dont have to trade him, can resign him to a reasonable contact (3.5-4 imo) he good value.
- senstroll

That's the key - Burke's in the driver's seat for this one. The Kaberle precedent shows GMs too that he's not bluffing, he'll gladly hold on to him past the deadline if he isn't blown away.

Burke can holdout for an offer he likes, the player he got back for Kaberle and Beuch are perfect examples. We dont have to trade him, can resign him to a reasonable contact (3.5-4 imo) he good value.
- senstroll

Not a chance in hell.

What, with the moeny being thrown around last summer?

RJ Umberger get 4.5 per. Grabs already makes 2.9. And that was after his first year in TOR with something like 45 pts.

He'll be looking for something north of Mike Ribeiro's contract. In the 5-5.5 range.

Not sure what the UFA pool looks like but I can't see there being a glut of half-decent centres available.

Grabs will attract some sexy offers

Imagine... Hab fans making fun of anything a Leaf fan says...
- leafs_wingp

Hey!! They smoked Detroit last night... Ensemble La route du Parade!

Fack I need a new job.


- markmark

They've always been more skilled at installing car stereo systems in good time than they have been at removing them.

But maybe I'm just being stereotypical
- AngryWhiteMale

So if I owned something like say a ...oh I don't know ...a Honda Civic and I parked it somewhere like say ...oh I don't know ...Markham I might come back to my car and find I've got a wickedass new Bose system? This is just random and speculative generalization of course.

Not a chance in hell.

What, with the moeny being thrown around last summer?

RJ Umberger get 4.5 per. Grabs already makes 2.9. And that was after his first year in TOR with something like 45 pts.

He'll be looking for something north of Mike Ribeiro's contract. In the 5-5.5 range.

Not sure what the UFA pool looks like but I can't see there being a glut of half-decent centres available.

Grabs will attract some sexy offers
- AngryWhiteMale

That's Kessel money.

Not a chance in hell.

What, with the moeny being thrown around last summer?

RJ Umberger get 4.5 per. Grabs already makes 2.9. And that was after his first year in TOR with something like 45 pts.

He'll be looking for something north of Mike Ribeiro's contract. In the 5-5.5 range.

Not sure what the UFA pool looks like but I can't see there being a glut of half-decent centres available.

Grabs will attract some sexy offers
- AngryWhiteMale

We'll see when it comes to it. He might be a little grateful to the team that gave him his chance.

We'll see when it comes to it. He might be a little grateful to the team that gave him his chance.
- AdamFrench

Getting him away from the Kotstitsyns gotta be worth something! Also, what about all the money they'll save re-signing Kulemin after a 10 goal campaign instead of a 30?

We'll see when it comes to it. He might be a little grateful to the team that gave him his chance.
- AdamFrench

Lets hope so...he's married with kids and settled as well so he may not want to pack up and go elsewhere

Not a chance in hell.

What, with the moeny being thrown around last summer?

RJ Umberger get 4.5 per. Grabs already makes 2.9. And that was after his first year in TOR with something like 45 pts.

He'll be looking for something north of Mike Ribeiro's contract. In the 5-5.5 range.

Not sure what the UFA pool looks like but I can't see there being a glut of half-decent centres available.

Grabs will attract some sexy offers
- AngryWhiteMale

BB said he made Grab's and Liles mid-season offers. Liles lead to a contract ...Grabo's didn't. I think you're right ...he may get 5ish on the open market and BB was probably looking for an early-signing, hometown discount.

Not a chance in hell.

What, with the moeny being thrown around last summer?

RJ Umberger get 4.5 per. Grabs already makes 2.9. And that was after his first year in TOR with something like 45 pts.

He'll be looking for something north of Mike Ribeiro's contract. In the 5-5.5 range.

Not sure what the UFA pool looks like but I can't see there being a glut of half-decent centres available.

Grabs will attract some sexy offers
- AngryWhiteMale

Liles has bought into the team and Burke's plan... you would hope Grabo has as well and takes a haircut.. If he ends up a UFA then obviously he hasn't bought in and he's not right for the team anyway. He's not good enough to not take a hometown discount.. if that makes any sense

So...what I miss? We have Getzlaf yet!?

So if I owned something like say a ...oh I don't know ...a Honda Civic and I parked it somewhere like say ...oh I don't know ...Markham I might come back to my car and find I've got a wickedass new Bose system? This is just random and speculative generalization of course.
- The Law

Depends where you park.

If it's at a T&T you're chances are pretty good.

Be careful though

If I park my car in parts of North York I'd feel pretty nervous about hitting the red-button on my keyless remote.

Getting him away from the Kotstitsyns gotta be worth something! Also, what about all the money they'll save re-signing Kulemin after a 10 goal campaign instead of a 30?
- 1979AD

Went from whining trouble child in a mafia war with some drunk Belorussians to a very good two-way 2nd line centerman wearing an 'A' on his chest.

So...what I miss? We have Getzlaf yet!?
- noename09

No the Argos haven't yet signed Chris Getzlaf to be Ray's prime target, but it could happen any minute... more to come.

Went from whining trouble child in a mafia war with some drunk Belorussians to a very good two-way 2nd line centerman wearing an 'A' on his chest.
- AdamFrench

There's no need to be redundant.

Good afternoon everyone...morning for some people maybe? Evening? Aw hell...Hi.