I agree the cap hit is more and he is older, but he is the Keith Thachuk PF Chicago has been looking for. I find it hard to not make this deal.
- ikeane

The problem I see with this deal is that what the Hawks need is a Nash type guy to play WITH Kane and Toews.

You're right, I don't know squat! I didn't sit in the stands in Rockford where Byfuglien was playing defense. What the hell do I know?

So in your infinate knowledge, if Byfuglien is the better defenseman, why couldn't he hold down a spot on the blueline over Seabrook?

If you want to make an argument that's actually worth it's weight, Byfuglien over Hjalmarsson could hold some weight. This one isn't worth its weight in dog #$%@!
- EKolb13

Yep, and I sit at the U.C. watching Seabrook, who hasn't been to Rockford in years...So I don't get the coorelation. I'd take Buff over Seabs or Hammer. They would've also had the extra Dough to sign Niemi. To be honest, the first time I saw Buff skate at the U.C. I thought, this kid can't skate He'll be out in a year. Well, he proved me wrong, now look at him. All-Star DMAN!

You're right, I don't know squat! I didn't sit in the stands in Rockford where Byfuglien was playing defense. What the hell do I know?

So in your infinate knowledge, if Byfuglien is the better defenseman, why couldn't he hold down a spot on the blueline over Seabrook?

If you want to make an argument that's actually worth it's weight, Byfuglien over Hjalmarsson could hold some weight. This one isn't worth its weight in dog #$%@!
- EKolb13

Did someone seriously just say that Byfuglien was a better defensive player than Seabs??

Really?!?!

Go back and read mine and then read yours. You toss in things like "I know it" "Ask a player" and "genius". Insulting, flat out. Just attempts to put down me instead of my opinions. Not to mention you are wrong in doing so.

It isn't about being 3 on 5.

3 on 5 with a guy on the red line.
4 on 5 with a guy inside the blue line.

Clearly the Preds have a better chance to score on the 3 on 5, but that doesn't matter in this situation. The situation is about what gives the Blackhawks a better chance to score, which is the 3 on 5 with a guy on the red line.ny
- HawkFan27

I see your point. I respect it. There is an argument for it. But I don't agree.

With Weber and Suter (as I recall) at the points, that was an infinitessimally LOW percentage play. Kane is a notorious floater. Think the two all-world d-men didn't know he was there? Please.

And I don't care if 50 people here agree with you. A lot of people agree with me, all I was saying. Sorry if you find that disrespectful. Seriously.

Hossa has the 14th highest salary in the NHL... Duncan Keith actually makes the most right now...

Kane is not in the top 50 in terms of money being paid to this season. What a stupid argument. Good job on equating production to dollars. See Frolik, Keith, Seabrook, Montador and Bolland as to other guys not carrying their weight looking at the big picture.

That being said he has been a PPG player the last two years. Which will even out. There were only 14 PPG players last year. 27 the year before.

The kid is a special player. Moving him does not fix the fact that the shut down line is not shutting down. The 4th line plays 4-8 minutes/game. The inexperience/inadequacy of the defense (Leddy/3rd pairing). The lack luster TEAM defense. Shaky goaltending. Abysmal special teams.

Maybe one of those but FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR from pushes this team over the edge. I don't know what future hall of fame player would move here for that deal.

By this logic the Wings should clearly jettison Zetterburg because he only has 35 points in 49 games and isn't carrying his weight. Congratulations on restarting the run Patrick Kane out of town discussion. Maybe trade him for Buff and get a "coaster" you at least approve of.
- fattybeef

Are you really comparing Kane and Zetterberg? Z has a much better track record to this point and a conn smythe in his cap. Granted Kane has been a good point producer his entire career but many of the issues such as a floating and poor defense that are plaguing him this year have come up in years past. It's not like he's been a super stud up until now and people want him traded just because of one bad half season. Many of his issues this season have been with him since the day he set foot in Chicago, which is especially disappointing given his claims to want to become a different player and take the next step.

I'm not on the "trade kane now" train but if the right offer comes along you have to listen and not consider him untouchable.

If Savard could be traded so can Kane

as well as Roenick, Hasek, Belfour, Chelios, Secord, Larmer..The list goes on and on

Yep, and I sit at the U.C. watching Seabrook, who hasn't been to Rockford in years...So I don't get the coorelation. I'd take Buff over Seabs or Hammer. They would've also had the extra Dough to sign Niemi. To be honest, the first time I saw Buff skate at the U.C. I thought, this kid can't skate He'll be out in a year. Well, he proved me wrong, now look at him. All-Star DMAN!
- dstarz20

Byfuglien is on pace for 56 pts this year, and a -19 +/-. That's brutal for what he's getting paid.

If Savard could be traded so can Kane

as well as Roenick, Hasek, Belfour, Chelios, Secord, Larmer..The list goes on and on
- waitforawhistle

Great point. Makes me sad.

There was a speck of dust on my monitor that made that last m look like an r and an n. I was thinking that was the strangest trade suggestion I had ever read.
- MMMikey

I was thinking the exact same thing hahaha

Are you really comparing Kane and Zetterberg? Z has a much better track record to this point and a conn smythe in his cap. Granted Kane has been a good point producer his entire career but many of the issues such as a floating and poor defense that are plaguing him this year have come up in years past. It's not like he's been a super stud up until now and people want him traded just because of one bad half season. Many of his issues this season have been with him since the day he set foot in Chicago, which is especially disappointing given his claims to want to become a different player and take the next step.

I'm not on the "trade kane now" train but if the right offer comes along you have to listen and not consider him untouchable.
- Tweek

This, a lot of people especially outside Chicago would consider Zetterberg or Kesler superior overall players to Kane. In fairness to Kane, he has had less time to develop.

We ALL agree on this. Question is, how do you get that team? Trading Kane might not be the way to do it. it also could be a way. All I'm saying.
- John Jaeckel

I agree. If Kane goes, a PF type like Brown from LA, Nash from CBS, Kane from WPG has to come back. A power forward that can score. I think Q had the 2010 success due to the stacked roster. Now that the identity of the team has changed, they don't have the pieces to play Qs style of game. Brunette, O'Donnell, etc are too slow, the d doesn't make the breakout pass, you don't have the luxury of Ladd on your 3rd line with Versteeg, etc. I think that the coaching has to be reviewed and changed. it is hard to run and gun when Jimmy Hayes and Brunette are chugging up the ice like a couple of tortoises in a hare race.

I'd have no problem with Lou doing that trade.
- zach parise9

Could Chicago deal with the cap hit that Parise would come in around, even with sending Kane the other way? If Parise ended up on Chicago though... jeez, I might have to change favorite teams. He and Toews are my top two faves...

What are they since 12/15 or 12/31?
- John Jaeckel

Since 12/31: .500 = 5-5-2

Yeah they came out of the new year break hungover losing to Oilers, Flyers and Aves and Wings in OT

If Savard could be traded so can Kane

as well as Roenick, Hasek, Belfour, Chelios, Secord, Larmer..The list goes on and on
- waitforawhistle

The reasons were different then. Every guy on that list (for the most part) was let go because they had their payday coming, and the prior owner wouldn't pony up.

I have faith that any trades made with the new crew in place will be at least tangentially related to some hockey sense.

The reasons were different then. Every guy on that list was let go because they had their payday coming, and the prior owner wouldn't pony up.

I have faith that any trades made with the new crew in place will be at least tangentially related to some hockey sense.
- Return of the Roar

You would hope so.

Byfuglien is on pace for 56 pts this year, and a -19 +/-. That's brutal for what he's getting paid.
- CaptainBlackhawk

What's Seabrook on pace for? 39 Points...+18? On a much better team? He's not worth 7 mil.

Nash has been a force with Columbus? What his -20 rating or his 17 goals? You got to be kidding me, Kane is an elite talent at such a young age. He helped the hawks win a cup did he not? When Kane is Nash's age, he will be even better. If you still want to trade him, send him to the leafs

The reasons were different then. Every guy on that list was let go because they had their payday coming, and the prior owner wouldn't pony up.

I have faith that any trades made with the new crew in place will be at least tangentially related to some hockey sense.
- Return of the Roar

Savard was traded because he wouldnt play Keanans style of game. There were many games that he sat on the bench cause he wasnt playing D. That sure sounds like Kane. Plus we got a much needed tough D-man (Chelios) in return...sounds familiar.

What's Seabrook on pace for? 39 Points...+18? On a much better team? He's not worth 7 mil.
- dstarz20

Dude - most defensemen are paid to play defense first. Seabs > Buff - at D - all day.

It;s too bad that Buff did not see his own potential as a power forward. That my friend would likely have been Hall of Fame material under the right coaching.

I agree. If Kane goes, a PF type like Brown from LA, Nash from CBS, Kane from WPG has to come back. A power forward that can score. I think Q had the 2010 success due to the stacked roster. Now that the identity of the team has changed, they don't have the pieces to play Qs style of game. Brunette, O'Donnell, etc are too slow, the d doesn't make the breakout pass, you don't have the luxury of Ladd on your 3rd line with Versteeg, etc. I think that the coaching has to be reviewed and changed. it is hard to run and gun when Jimmy Hayes and Brunette are chugging up the ice like a couple of tortoises in a hare race.
- ikeane

For P. Kane, I'd want Nash and something small. I'd want Brown and something fairly large. And I'd want E. Kane and something significant.

Look, I don't think they will trade Kane. Anyone assuming though that it would automatically hurt the team is being naive, just as you can't assume it would improve them either.

The only thing you had right is "top pick"... but with Kane, chances are it's value drops.
- Feeling Glucky?

Go watch Nielsen and MacDonald play. They are so cheap also- MacDonald is signed for like 3 or 4 more years at way less than $1M per. Nielsen has been a bargain, but he's a UFA at the end of this year, but he still won't cost more than, say, $3M per year. That would be a decent haul for Kane.

Actually Byfuglien came up as a D man, guess you don't follow the Hawks that much. Now he went to the All-Star game as a D man. Also, in 2010 when they won the cup, who single handedly tore apart the Canuckle heads and the Sharks...Wasn't Seabbrook. I like Seabrook, but at 7 mil vs. 4.5 mil...It's obvious Buff is the choice.
- dstarz20

A couple of things I can't let pass...

Seabrook was the best defenseman in the Cup Finals.

Seabrook has been the best defenseman for the Hawks since they won the Cup.

Seabrook is a $5.8 mill cap hit not a $7 mill cap hit.

Nash has been a force with Columbus? What his -20 rating or his 17 goals? You got to be kidding me, Kane is an elite talent at such a young age. He helped the hawks win a cup did he not? When Kane is Nash's age, he will be even better. If you still want to trade him, send him to the leafs
- Allstarzz

Over the course of his career.

He's having a crap year. He definitely needs a change of scenery. Telling me on a team like the '10 Hawks he wouldn't have been a huge contributor? Really? OK . . .

Savard was traded because he wouldnt play Keanans style of game. There were many games that he sat on the bench cause he wasnt playing D. That sure sounds like Kane. Plus we got a much needed tough D-man (Chelios) in return...sounds familiar.
- waitforawhistle

I went back and amended a bit - for the most part it was about avoiding pay. +1 on the Savard/Keenan thing.

I'm not a huge fan of Kane. Sure, he looks dynamic at times, and is a really good passer, but doesn't play D very well (effort), and his only d move seems to be a hook.

I'd deal him, but I'd expect a fantastic return, based on his rather reasonable salary and age.

Tavares + for Kane + is what I'd like, or Kane + for Ryan or Perry +. I only say +, because deals are difficult to complete 1 for 1.

I wouldn't want Nash, as he makes over 7, and is 4 years older I believe.
- howiehandles

Islanders wouldn't trade Tavares for Kane.