Stats tell the whole story, especially with Seabs vs Buff.

Nice call...
- HawkFan27

Indeed. I'd take Buff right now. Good call.

2nd float, first one is brian campbell for patrick kane float
- Wowo2282

Yes, I forgot that one.

if you call that "bashing his effort," that's fine, but I am also not alone in that and you have numerus other people to address that to. 3 on 5 are bad odds, pal, Didn't pay last night did they?
- John Jaeckel

I don't get how you can bash Kane on the PK last night.

He was out there fore one reason, and one reason only, to score a goal.

Who cares if the Preds score a goal, doesn't matter. If the Blackhawks don't score a goal they had no chance of winning.

Kane played it exactly right for the situation. Down by a goal, shorthanded, with 1 minute to go. He should have been hanging out at the Blueline/Redline all day in that situation.

Not in terms of cap hit. And cap hit is ALL that matters in terms of the team on the ice.

The other issue is, Hossa is playing, arguably, like a $7.9 million player— near MVP numbers in total.

Actually.
- John Jaeckel

Hossa is having a tremendous season.

One of the most useful player in the NHL.

The numbers tell the truth - .500 team since 12/15. No signs of that getting better. Look at the schedule and look at the road win pct. I still think they end at 95 and miss.
- Return of the Roar

A lot of people are starting to move to this point of view. Check back after this 9 game road trip.

Does anyone realize that Kane was out there for one reason and one reason only...to score. There was a minute left, what else was he supposed to do? Didn't matter if the Preds scored...but it mattered if the Blackhawks didn't.
- HawkFan27

he was out there to help get the puck out of his own end and then score.

Why not put Gretzky in a wheelchair at center ice then?

JJ, way to take us into the break with a bang!!

a couple of minor counters:

1. You said, the Hawks are not .500 team since December when injuries hit. On Nov 31 they began a very home freindly schedule and finished 13-5-2 @ home and 3-3-1 on the road (all one game trips) so over the last 2 months they are 16-8-3 again not bad but with that soft home schedule and what they have coming up not good enough but that is not a .500 record.

Which is why I am lit up about them losing back to back to those "pesky" Preds.

2. As far as Kane hanging around center ice at the end of the game....my guess that's a coaching call. Heck they were down a man and a goal; they needed the opp for a quick counter strike if they could get control. I have no problem with that.

As to your over all point with Kane...alot to ponder and would certainly be a tectonic move by the Hawks.

Doom and Gloom!!! Has any one checked out the other teams schedule? The Blues have played one less home game than the Hawks. The Sharks have a heavy road after the break. The Blues are 8-10-3 on the road. The Wings are .500 on the road. Again, all doom and gloom!! I am not saying they are great, but everyone needs to get off the ledge.

With 6 million under the cap, they have room to gain a big name or names. They're still one of the best teams in hockey and going to get even better before March. I look for addition only, with Hopefully Bickell going and hopefully Frolik. They need a Centerman, a big "D" and perhaps a goalie as JJ stated.
- dstarz20

How do you get those players—salary aside— for only Bickell and/or Frolik? Get ready to part with some of your better prospects, if that's enough.

Am I? Seen the stats? Please, enlighten me.
- dstarz20

If you're basing your idea solely on the stat sheet, please log off and find somewhere else to waste your time.

So you're insinuating that Byfuglien, who played forward in his time as a Hawk is a better choice as a defensemen on this team than Seabrook? Seabrook is a warrior out there, can and will hit and plays pretty consistantly every night. He's probably one of the best defenseman on this team night in and night out. He seems to be impervious to concussions and probably could leap tall buildings in a single bound if you asked him to. Can Byfuglien give you any of this on a nightly basis? Perhaps, but not at the level Seabrook can.

JJ, way to take us into the break with a bang!!

a couple of minor counters:

1. You said, the Hawks are not .500 team since December when injuries hit. On Nov 31 they began a very home freindly schedule and finished 13-5-2 @ home and 3-3-1 on the road (all one game trips) so over the last 2 months they are 16-8-3 again not bad but with that soft home schedule and what they have coming up not good enough but that is not a .500 record.

Which is why I am lit up about them losing back to back to those "pesky" Preds.

2. As far as Kane hanging around center ice at the end of the game....my guess that's a coaching call. Heck they were down a man and a goal; they needed the opp for a quick counter strike if they could get control. I have no problem with that.

As to your over all point with Kane...alot to ponder and would certainly be a tectonic move by the Hawks.
- bogiedoc

What are they since 12/15 or 12/31?

JJ,

You posed the Kane issue but really leads to what I wrote about as well today.

Who's there to trade, especially now, to improve this club??

Relax, take a gulp of Kool Aid and here's something to read.

Blackhawks Loss, the Toews Injury and Some Trade
Misconceptions:http://bit.ly/yH8Rnt

Translation of Q. speak and StanBo's tough task.

Not in terms of cap hit. And cap hit is ALL that matters in terms of the team on the ice.

The other issue is, Hossa is playing, arguably, like a $7.9 million player— near MVP numbers in total.

Actually.
- John Jaeckel

Hossa is a stud!!! You notice when 81 is on the ice. 88 gets taken out of the play more than he should.

he was out there to help get the puck out of his own end and then score.

Why not put Gretzky in a wheelchair at center ice then?
- John Jaeckel

So you think the chances are better of a player winning a board battle and then beating one/two dman or flying the zone early any chance you get?

What Kane did was the right play and I'm sure that is what Q was expecting when he put Kane out there.

So you think the chances are better of a player winning a board battle and then beating one/two dman or flying the zone early any chance you get?

What Kane did was the right play and I'm sure that is what Q was expecting when he put Kane out there.
- HawkFan27

Agreed.

No one here knows if Stanbo will trade all his chips, and draft picks. Does that even get you enough. We have to wait and see. For everyone pointing to the Hawks being a .500 team, every one has a down period. You can judge them as being a .500 team from now on, but is that what they are going to be? I think they lie some where in the middle of the great start and this recent downturn. Is that a good enough team? Probably not, but we don't know what this team will look like in weeks.

How do you get those players—salary aside— for only Bickell and/or Frolik? Get ready to part with some of your better prospects, if that's enough.
- John Jaeckel

So you think the chances are better of a player winning a board battle and then beating one/two dman or flying the zone early any chance you get?

What Kane did was the right play and I'm sure that is what Q was expecting when he put Kane out there.
- HawkFan27

I think the chances are better of gaining possession of the puck and executing a clean breakout 4 on 5 than 3 on 5. I know it.

So you think the chances are better of a player winning a board battle and then beating one/two dman or flying the zone early any chance you get?

What Kane did was the right play and I'm sure that is what Q was expecting when he put Kane out there.
- HawkFan27

Agreed.

Parise will be looking for more money than Kane is getting now.
- Al

Agreed but when I say outrageous I mean anything north of 7-7.5m which is probably what Parise will want.

Again, I'm not saying they should trade him.

I am saying those who think it's sacrilege, insane, crazy etc., need to take the blinders off. There is an argument, at least, for considering the possibility.

All of you guys start arguing in terms of seats being full and kids buying ice cream. The last thing Rocky Wirtz needs is you guys looking out for his pocketbook.

Further, this guy has holes in his game. If he works hard and overcomes them— great, hall of fame player. If not, one dimensional player whose career highlight will be a fluky goal in a playoff game and some sick shootout moves.

He is also not the only core guy they could deal. FWIW

I think the chances are better of gaining possession of the puck and executing a clean breakout 4 on 5 than 3 on 5. I know it.
- John Jaeckel

So shouldn't you be placing the blame on Q?

I'll simply say, thank you JJ!!! If enough bloggers/writers/broadcasters (Milbury saying Kane looks like a lost little boy on national tv) point out Kane's numerous shortcomings/efforts it will enter the realm of main stream conversation.

Once that happens management will less fearful of "considering" the possibility.

A team won't win with a core player refusing to give effort more times than they don't.

Blackhawks trade Patrick Kane to NYI for Frans Nielsen, Andrew MacDonald, and NYI first rounder in 2012. CHI gets their second line center, a young cost-controlled top 4 d-man, and a top pick; NYI gets the permanent right wing to play with Tavares and Moulson.

So you think the chances are better of a player winning a board battle and then beating one/two dman or flying the zone early any chance you get?

What Kane did was the right play and I'm sure that is what Q was expecting when he put Kane out there.
- HawkFan27

Isn't he the guy responsible for the constant too many men penalties (like the one that led to the penalty kill with two minutes left last night)? Or the decision to play non-favtor Bickell over Frolik who at least wins puck battles?

Yeah, Quenneville is always right. Another Myth Some Hawk Fans Take To The Bank.

I think the chances are better of gaining possession of the puck and executing a clean breakout 4 on 5 than 3 on 5. I know it.
- John Jaeckel

Well, I completely disagree and many others around here seem to as well. I know that much.