Your best buddy always looks pudgy too
- pri$ey

And we all know how hard he works

All I Know is I've probably watched at least 20 or so Columbus games outside the 6 Chicago mathups the last few years and I know that same people on this board who dont like Kanes effort night in and night out will be down Nash's throat as soon as the team losses a couple in a row and hes a minus 4 or 5.

Im really not pointing any fingers at anyone in particular simply the crowd that preaches hard work in all three zones. Thats not Rick Nash.

This once again on top of making 7.8 millioin. That cap hit is the deciding factor for me once again not worth it for a guy whos never broke 70 points.
- mvp0207

I am with you here.

Look, there is no trade here to be made involving these 2 guys. Salaries, contract term, NT clauses rule that out.

But if just a trade for hockey reasons were to ever materialize because the business aspect didn't matter, there are 29 league General Managers who would trade Kane in a heartbeat to get Nash even up.
- RickJ

Not so sure. Nash isn't a worldbeater by any stretch.

I've got to add afew things to this discussion - I hope I am bringing some new points.

1) The argument that Kane can not be traded because of the marketing aspect. I don't think that will even be a consideration. IF Kane was to be traded, another young player would be swapped. The PR machine would just replace him...there would be not missed beat.

2) The more I think about it, I think there is a power struggle between Stan and Q (the coaching staff). I think if the system was designed to use the body more, Bickell might be a more effective player. MAybe OD and Hjalmarsson would be more physical. I hate to see anybody with health problems, but maybe it is time for Q to visit the hospital again for a few days, a few days when the team has a couple games. It might show if the team has quit on Q.

3) What about a Bolland for Kessler trade? (Tell me I'm crazy)
- powerenforcer

You are crazy

A few years ago I would have picked Nash or Getzlaf as the best choices to start a team with among forwards....Now Getzlaf is a shadow of what he was and Nash almost appears as if he is a broken player.

How fast things change...

As far as Columbus....If they ever straighten out the mess they have there it will take a long time.

To start , no goalie....Then Carter was for sale within 3 months of his arrival and no takers...Wisz is vastly overpaid, injury prone and always a heartbeat away from a susupension and the list goes on...

For those even thinking about going for Carter....He is signed for the next 10 years.

A few years ago I would have picked Nash or Getzlaf as the best choices to start a team with among forwards....Now Getzlaf is a shadow of what he was and Nash almost appears as if he is a broken player.How fast things change...

As far as Columbus....If they ever straighten out the mess they have there it will take a long time.

To start , no goalie....Then Carter was for sale within 3 months of his arrival and no takers...Wisz is vastly overpaid, injury prone and always a heartbeat away from a susupension and the list goes on...

For those even thinking about going for Carter....He is signed for the next 10 years.
- Al

Great points.. And I personally believe Kane's best years are ahead of him.

From Chief Hawk Stanbow:

“Center is a position we would like to add, but your pool of wingers is a lot more,”

Bowman said. “We’re just not going to get stuck on center and then not get anybody.

“We definitely have the money. It’s more finding players that are available. There just aren’t a lot of teams that are trading their players. There are a lot of teams looking for the same thing and only a couple teams that are trading.”

Certainly some impact players are going to become available in the next month — there always are — and Bowman plans to be in on the bidding up to a point.

“I wouldn’t want to trade away a core guy to get an impact player, but if there’s a guy a team would trade for prospects or draft picks, sure, that would interest us,” he said.

There you have it.....Don't expect a member of $50 mil core club to go anywhere...

I really don't expect much of anything to help via trade. Like all other teams they are what they are and what they will be.

They are a quick strike team that when they play more than 20 minutes a nite can beat any team any nite. They are not a grinding team that is going to eek out 2-1 and 3-2 wins with regularity. For example the Preds have 6 wins scoring 2 goals or less...the Hawks 1 with no shutouts. There comeback ability vs teams that forecheck and play strong team game defensively is limited...for example losses to Aves, Yotes, Preds, Wings, Blues.

A few years ago I would have picked Nash or Getzlaf as the best choices to start a team with among forwards....Now Getzlaf is a shadow of what he was and Nash almost appears as if he is a broken player.

How fast things change...

As far as Columbus....If they ever straighten out the mess they have there it will take a long time.

To start , no goalie....Then Carter was for sale within 3 months of his arrival and no takers...Wisz is vastly overpaid, injury prone and always a heartbeat away from a susupension and the list goes on...

For those even thinking about going for Carter....He is signed for the next 10 years.
- Al

al i take it you would not trade kane for getslaf?

From Chief Hawk Stanbow:

“Center is a position we would like to add, but your pool of wingers is a lot more,”

Bowman said. “We’re just not going to get stuck on center and then not get anybody.

“We definitely have the money. It’s more finding players that are available. There just aren’t a lot of teams that are trading their players. There are a lot of teams looking for the same thing and only a couple teams that are trading.”

Certainly some impact players are going to become available in the next month — there always are — and Bowman plans to be in on the bidding up to a point.

“I wouldn’t want to trade away a core guy to get an impact player, but if there’s a guy a team would trade for prospects or draft picks, sure, that would interest us,” he said.

There you have it.....Don't expect a member of $50 mil core club to go anywhere...

I really don't expect much of anything to help via trade. Like all other teams they are what they are and what they will be.

They are a quick strike team that when they play more than 20 minutes a nite can beat any team any nite. They are not a grinding team that is going to eek out 2-1 and 3-2 wins with regularity. For example the Preds have 6 wins scoring 2 goals or less...the Hawks 1 with no shutouts. There comeback ability vs teams that forecheck and play strong team game defensively is limited...for example losses to Aves, Yotes, Preds, Wings, Blues.
- bogiedoc

Like I wrote today...Tough job for StanBo.

So I finally got through all the other posts about this Kane topic.

To those who say he can never be traded... if Gretzky can be traded ANYBODY can be traded.

That said I'm not sure he'll be dealt. Not that he can't, just that he won't.

It appears if Q is trying to push SB's buttons on the roster. His constant line-juggling does get bothersome and may be impacting Kane.

On how Toews would feel? If the return were more 3-zone responsible players, he'd be ALL for it.

I truly believe that the right players added to this squad will have a ripple affect on the core players. Especially for the PK and 3-zone awareness 5-on-5.

I won't pretend to know the true value of prospects and picks to what other GM's expect, but also feel if SB wants to check his ego at the door, he can deal the RIGHT portion of picks & prospects for a 3L and a 4/5D. Whether rental or not, I can't tell.
- blackhawk24

I wonder about the same thing.

A few years ago I would have picked Nash or Getzlaf as the best choices to start a team with among forwards....Now Getzlaf is a shadow of what he was and Nash almost appears as if he is a broken player.

How fast things change...

As far as Columbus....If they ever straighten out the mess they have there it will take a long time.

To start , no goalie....Then Carter was for sale within 3 months of his arrival and no takers...Wisz is vastly overpaid, injury prone and always a heartbeat away from a susupension and the list goes on...

For those even thinking about going for Carter....He is signed for the next 10 years.
- Al

I'm not a big Rick Nash fan Al but it's very hard to sore like an eagle when you've been flying with a bunch of turkeys for as long as he has. He may look broken, but move him to a decent club and I think you might be surprised how he quickly he starts to look not so broken.

He"ll never be a leader in the Toews or Pronger mould but he is still a well above average player. Wouldn't want to see him with the Blues, Wings, SJ or Vancouver.

Perfect team for Nash would be the Rangers. With him, they would give Boston all they can handle. But, his contract pretty much kills any movement.

I'm not a big Rick Nash fan Al but it's very hard to sore like an eagle when you've been flying with a bunch of turkeys for as long as he has. He may look broken, but move him to a decent club and I think you might be surprised how he quickly he starts to look not so broken.

He"ll never be a leader in the Toews or Pronger mould but he is still a well above average player. Wouldn't want to see him with the Blues, Wings, SJ or Vancouver.

Perfect team for Nash would be the Rangers. With him, they would give Boston all they can handle. But, his contract pretty much kills any movement.
- RickJ

I think you could be correct...But if the Jackets move him their chances of survival could be slim.

They paid up for players to get to the playoffs this year...Not unlike the Hawks a few years ago but the Jackets haven't done well in the Draft for awhile.

Roy and Sekera for Kane and a fourth. Chicago gets what they want in a second line center and 2nd pair D. Buffalo gets Kaner. Everybody wins.

I think you could be correct...But if the Jackets move him their chances of survival could be slim.

They paid up for players to get to the playoffs this year...Not unlike the Hawks a few years ago but the Jackets haven't done well in the Draft for awhile.
- Al

Columbus is another Phoenix waiting to happen for Gary Bettman. The franchise is run by a bunch of bungaros who know nothing about drafting or putting a competitive team on the ice. Too bad because the fans were there in Columbus for quite awhile but they've now seen the franchise for what it is - a disaster.

Nash there or gone doesn't matter IMO. Too bad the team is in the Central Div.

Roy and Sekera for Kane and a fourth. Chicago gets what they want in a second line center and 2nd pair D. Buffalo gets Kaner. Everybody wins.
- Sabres322

Hold on to your Greenville Road Warrior tickets. You have a better chance of seeing Roy and Sekera in Greenville than in Chicago.

Columbus is another Phoenix waiting to happen for Gary Bettman. The franchise is run by a bunch of bungaros who know nothing about drafting or putting a competitive team on the ice. Too bad because the fans were there in Columbus for quite awhile but they've now seen the franchise for what it is - a disaster.

Nash there or gone doesn't matter IMO. Too bad the team is in the Central Div.
- RickJ

And they are trending towards the first overall pick. Not good news when you consider some of their previous first round picks included gems like Zheredev(4), Filatov(6), Brule(6), Leclaire(8), Pickard(8)...etc.

And they are trending towards the first overall pick. Not good news when you consider some of their previous first round picks included gems like Zheredev(4), Filatov(6), Brule(6), Leclaire(8), Pickard(8)...etc.
- Gasboy

Reminds you of the type of gems the Hawks drafted for about 10 years. And who's the #1 ranked player this year for the Jackets - another Ruskie.

They have a nice player now in Ryan Johansen - hope they don't ruin him too. A player can only take so much losing before he looks in the mirror and concludes he's a friggin loser.

Interesting, but would anyone overpay for Kane?
- shruew

I haven't seen him play much this year ,but as a team GM i would question the 6 mil salary for maybe a 20 goal season .His reputation may hurt him also as PK does like to party a little.

poop stirrer




roy and miller for kane, crawford and beach
- homiedclown

I suspect that Buffalo is the only destination worth discussing, when considering Kane's NMC.

From Chief Hawk Stanbow:

“Center is a position we would like to add, but your pool of wingers is a lot more,”

Bowman said. “We’re just not going to get stuck on center and then not get anybody.

“We definitely have the money. It’s more finding players that are available. There just aren’t a lot of teams that are trading their players. There are a lot of teams looking for the same thing and only a couple teams that are trading.”

Certainly some impact players are going to become available in the next month — there always are — and Bowman plans to be in on the bidding up to a point.

“I wouldn’t want to trade away a core guy to get an impact player, but if there’s a guy a team would trade for prospects or draft picks, sure, that would interest us,” he said.

There you have it.....Don't expect a member of $50 mil core club to go anywhere...

I really don't expect much of anything to help via trade. Like all other teams they are what they are and what they will be.

They are a quick strike team that when they play more than 20 minutes a nite can beat any team any nite. They are not a grinding team that is going to eek out 2-1 and 3-2 wins with regularity. For example the Preds have 6 wins scoring 2 goals or less...the Hawks 1 with no shutouts. There comeback ability vs teams that forecheck and play strong team game defensively is limited...for example losses to Aves, Yotes, Preds, Wings, Blues.
- bogiedoc

I would NOT take a word SB says publicly very seriously, nor would I want him to be completely honest. The above quotes are at best generic and could be said by any GM.

That being said, I don't expect any significant player moves. What we see is likely what we get.

From Chief Hawk Stanbow:

“Center is a position we would like to add, but your pool of wingers is a lot more,”

Bowman said. “We’re just not going to get stuck on center and then not get anybody.

“We definitely have the money. It’s more finding players that are available. There just aren’t a lot of teams that are trading their players. There are a lot of teams looking for the same thing and only a couple teams that are trading.”

Certainly some impact players are going to become available in the next month — there always are — and Bowman plans to be in on the bidding up to a point.

“I wouldn’t want to trade away a core guy to get an impact player, but if there’s a guy a team would trade for prospects or draft picks, sure, that would interest us,” he said.

There you have it.....Don't expect a member of $50 mil core club to go anywhere...

I really don't expect much of anything to help via trade. Like all other teams they are what they are and what they will be.

They are a quick strike team that when they play more than 20 minutes a nite can beat any team any nite. They are not a grinding team that is going to eek out 2-1 and 3-2 wins with regularity. For example the Preds have 6 wins scoring 2 goals or less...the Hawks 1 with no shutouts. There comeback ability vs teams that forecheck and play strong team game defensively is limited...for example losses to Aves, Yotes, Preds, Wings, Blues.
- bogiedoc

Don't believe for a minute this is what the 'Hawks are doing. They are a very close to the vest team and do not broadcast their actions. This is for the meathead media; not so coincidentally and quite frankly, rather sad the same type of folks that like the One-goal commercials and would dance to Chelsea Dagger.

I suspect that Buffalo is the only destination worth discussing, when considering Kane's NMC.
- ArlingtonRob

...and getting a team to overpay.

You know, in all this trade talk a few things seem to be lost.

1. If Viktor Stalberg keeps up his career year, there's your top 6 forward addition the team was looking for.

2. Same goes for Shaw and Hayes. We were looking for bottom 6 physical forwards who can help with the forecheck and chip in offensively. I think these 2 kids are good enough to fill those roles.

These are 2 areas that, with a little luck and above all, a lot of patience, the team filled from within. That's what successful franchsies do. They fill holes from within and plug whatever is left with trades. Detroit has been doing this for years.

A centerman and a defenseman. That's all they need to be legit contenders in the West. That's why I keep bringing up a trade that I would be inquiring about if I were SB...Mark Streit and Frans Nielsen would be great additions to this team and would help us in a lot of ways. I don't even think they would be that expensive to get.

Trading Patrick Kane for a 2nd line forward, a 2nd pairing dman and a prospect or two makes this team worse, not better.

If I had a shopping list, this would be it (in no particular order), considering who MIGHT be available and who the Hawks could afford in terms of a return:

Forwards:
Tuomo Ruutu
Chad Larose
Derick Brassard
Sam Gagner
Derek Roy
Paul Gaustad
Dominic Moore
Frans Nielsen

Defensemen:
Mark Streit
Tim Gleason
Bryan Allen
Hal Gill
Pavel Kubina
Michal Rozsival
Scott Hannan

Now considering how many teams are after the same things as the Hawks, all of these players become exponentially more expensive to acquire. By the same logic though, the closer we get to the deadline, the more the available player pool grows and the lower the acquisition price becomes. The key for the Hawks is that they are not a bubble team (yet).

They are putting up wins and points at a good enough clip that they can afford the luxury of patience, which usually pays off in the end. It gives them more time to find the right players, and to pay less of a price to get them. The key is not waiting too long so that all the available players are gone. That's where the good GMs get separated from the great ones. As in most things in life, timing is everything.

I suspect that Buffalo is the only destination worth discussing, when considering Kane's NMC.
- ArlingtonRob

It's probably not the only destination Kane would consider, but I'd bet it's at the top of his list.

From Chief Hawk Stanbow:

“Center is a position we would like to add, but your pool of wingers is a lot more,”

Bowman said. “We’re just not going to get stuck on center and then not get anybody.

“We definitely have the money. It’s more finding players that are available. There just aren’t a lot of teams that are trading their players. There are a lot of teams looking for the same thing and only a couple teams that are trading.”

Certainly some impact players are going to become available in the next month — there always are — and Bowman plans to be in on the bidding up to a point.

“I wouldn’t want to trade away a core guy to get an impact player, but if there’s a guy a team would trade for prospects or draft picks, sure, that would interest us,” he said.

There you have it.....Don't expect a member of $50 mil core club to go anywhere...

I really don't expect much of anything to help via trade. Like all other teams they are what they are and what they will be.

They are a quick strike team that when they play more than 20 minutes a nite can beat any team any nite. They are not a grinding team that is going to eek out 2-1 and 3-2 wins with regularity. For example the Preds have 6 wins scoring 2 goals or less...the Hawks 1 with no shutouts. There comeback ability vs teams that forecheck and play strong team game defensively is limited...for example losses to Aves, Yotes, Preds, Wings, Blues.
- bogiedoc

Excellent post