Hey Phil,

I'm not a fan of Leddy...getting 2nd pair minutes. That's way too much pressure on a young player. The demands on Leddy are huge this year and the results have been mixed.

We NEED a stud, stay at home, bad ass defender for the 2nd pair. And I would add another depth guy with size. Enough added D help to keep J. Scott off the bench forever.
- ArlingtonRob

Robbie..you're preaching to the choir on Leddy. He's a good kid with talent, but he's shown he IS NOT READY to be a top 4. And phuck Bowman for making him bear that burden. Bowman traded for him and Junior has been reading his OWN press clippings about how Chicago got the better of the deal since Cam Barker is now and Edmonton tumbleweed....but FFS..he's not ready for the role Bowman and Q have thrust upon him.

Robbie..you're preaching to the choir on Leddy. He's a good kid with talent, but he's shown he IS NOT READY to be a top 4. And phuck Bowman for making him bear that burden. Bowman traded for him and Junior has been reading his OWN press clippings about how Chicago got the better of the deal since Cam Barker is now and Edmonton tumbleweed....but FFS..Dozy Nick repeatedly proves he is not ready for the role Bowman and Q have thrust upon him.
- philco28

I posted the other day showing our top 6 d and their shooting percentages.....Monty had the best pct....the others were all below 5.0 which is PATHETIC. And O'D didn't even have a shot on goal this year. Not one.
How we gonna with that utter schit?
- philco28

I don't know if you misread my question or intentionally went non sequiter. I'm not talking about shooting percentage, which deals with shots on goal. I was talking about what percentage of total shots taken never get on goal.

I don't know if you misread my question or intentionally went non sequiter. I'm not talking about shooting percentage, which deals with shots on goal. I was talking about what percentage of total shots taken never get on goal.
- NewToHockey

I wasn't disrespecting bro...simply repeating that we have a d corps from top to bottom that cannot SHOOT THE PUCK WITH ACCURACY..whether it be on goal or not. Capish?

Robbie..you're preaching to the choir on Leddy. He's a good kid with talent, but he's shown he IS NOT READY to be a top 4. And phuck Bowman for making him bear that burden. Bowman traded for him and Junior has been reading his OWN press clippings about how Chicago got the better of the deal since Cam Barker is now and Edmonton tumbleweed....but FFS..he's not ready for the role Bowman and Q have thrust upon him.
- philco28

I am in rant-on-the-ledge mode after this pre break 2 game crapfest on ice vs the preds!! The Hawks needed a split or maybe 3 points instead got nothing.

I agree with Philco on Leddy....great talent, great kid and StanBow robbed the Wild. BUT dmen take time to mature unless your name is Nick Lindstrom or Bobby Orr. And at 20 with 1 year of college and 1/2 year of professional AHL experience...its insane what they are asking him to do. But this is the great big risk they took by dumping the Panther all-star Campbell.

He made some great plays tonight..that tie up and stick lifting on the breakaway. But he is getting killed in the corners more often than not and really hurting the Hawks. No way he should be getting 20 plus TOI a nite.

No idea how many fans have looked at the remaining schedule, but it's nasty. 20 of 32 on road with few "easy" games. Gonna need as many as 34 points to make the top 8. If I were a betting man, the Hawks ain't gonna make it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/c...ing-to-create-ways-to-win

I think this post by Jesse Rogers echos alot of what has been stated here over tonight and the last few months.

“[The Predators] play really tight defensively and they’re comfortable in those low-scoring games,” O’Donnell said when asked about trailing early in the game. “We thought coming in it was going to be a grinding, low-scoring game.”

That’s a thought that has never been uttered about the Hawks this season. They aren’t “comfortable” in low scoring games and they don’t play “really tight defensively.” And it’s an issue moving forward. The Hawks need to find different ways to win.

No idea how many fans have looked at the remaining schedule, but it's nasty. 20 of 32 on road with few "easy" games. Gonna need as many as 34 points to make the top 8. If I were a betting man, the Hawks ain't gonna make it.
- ArlingtonRob

That's been well documented...scroll through the earlier pages of this thread.

I am in rant-on-the-ledge mode after this pre break 2 game crapfest on ice vs the preds!! The Hawks needed a split or maybe 3 points instead got nothing.

I agree with Philco on Leddy....great talent, great kid and StanBow robbed the Wild. BUT dmen take time to mature unless your name is Nick Lindstrom or Bobby Orr. And at 20 with 1 year of college and 1/2 year of professional AHL experience...its insane what they are asking him to do. But this is the great big risk they took by dumping the Panther all-star Campbell.

He made some great plays tonight..that tie up and stick lifting on the breakaway. But he is getting killed in the corners more often than not and really hurting the Hawks. No way he should be getting 20 plus TOI a nite.
- bogiedoc

Bogie...was it you or was it me...who was the understudy for the lead in the upcoming moving "Man On A Ledge"

No idea how many fans have looked at the remaining schedule, but it's nasty. 20 of 32 on road with few "easy" games. Gonna need as many as 34 points to make the top 8. If I were a betting man, the Hawks ain't gonna make it.
- ArlingtonRob

What are you talking about? You think Minny and LA will pass you in the standings? Have faith man.

Someone want to explain to me why the softest worker...Bickell...on the team comes out of the press box to replace one of the hardest workers...Frolik...in a game that had alot of importance. Just curious???

Also as JJ says, its about time PK begin playing like a $6mil player. I have defended him lately but he was completely MIA the last 2 games!!

What are you talking about? You think Minny and LA will pass you in the standings? Have faith man.
- bloatedmosquito

Minny looks done....alot of injuries!! LA has been playing alot better and could make a move and I don't rule out the Stars making a move.

So no most likely the Hawks will play a few games above .500 the rest of the way and finish no worst than 6th unless they really have a meltdown on their 9 game 3 time zone swing.

Love your location...trade Kessler now. What's up with that??

Jeebus A. Christ!

I knew that some panic birds would be out. But I sure as heck didn't expect a full force lemming sprint to the ledge. Chill the eff out.

The Hawks are 3 points out of first. Panic all you want. But out play the Red Wings ( Who are old and will not play as well down the stretch as they are currently playing.) And the Blues ( Who have even less home games than the Hawks and who aren't as good and should experience a fall towards the mean...) by two freakin games and this team finds itself on top. Oh right, the first half Hart Trophy candidate comes back as well as our best offensive sniper.

When did Hawk fans become such mice? We've been smarter than this. I know it. I know there's a lot of bandwagon fans and some that are new to this. But they're not on this blog. Or at least I thought.

The Hawks tried to play a close game with a team that's better prepared and better built to play a close game. So when the 4 or five opportunities to score came up, the Preds cashed on theirs and the Hawks didn't. C'est La Vie.

Shaw was our best player tonight. Which is good. The kid has smarts way beyond what anyone drafted in the 5th round should have. And he's relentless. But it's also bad. You're best player shouldn't be a fourth callup from your AHL affiliate who's an overachieving checking winger. Just shouldn't.

Nick and Nick are having some issues. I have no idea what D switch you make because Neither #5 or #6 can handle top 4 load and splitting up Marlboro 72 isn't an answer either.

But I saw effort. But they also ran into a team that's going great guns while playing 5 rookies.

As they say in the great Lebowski, nothing is f*cked here dude. It's certainly a rough patch but every season has them. 3 points out of 1st. 3 points out of first.

What are you talking about? You think Minny and LA will pass you in the standings? Have faith man.
- bloatedmosquito

The cup was great in 2010, but it's ancient history at this point. This team is deeply flawed and could easily falter considering the remaining schedule.

Should be repeated ad nauseum...Bad Defense, Bad PK, marginal goaltending means trouble. 90 points or fewer could happen because the stats don't lie.

Personally, I think the coaching staff should be held more accountable for the problems with this team.

The cup was great in 2010, but it's ancient history at this point. This team is deeply flawed and could easily falter considering the remaining schedule.

Should be repeated ad nauseum...Bad Defense, Bad PK, marginal goaltending means trouble. 90 points or fewer could happen because the stats don't lie.

Personally, I think the coaching staff should be held more accountable for the problems with this team.
- ArlingtonRob

I agree ...a don't know if a coaching change is needed but something gotta give

The cup was great in 2010, but it's ancient history at this point. This team is deeply flawed and could easily falter considering the remaining schedule.

Should be repeated ad nauseum...Bad Defense, Bad PK, marginal goaltending means trouble. 90 points or fewer could happen because the stats don't lie.

Personally, I think the coaching staff should be held more accountable for the problems with this team.
- ArlingtonRob

If the Hawks miss the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if Queenville is shown the door.

Its simply how you look at things. I look at this way in order to get to 96 points they need to play .500 hockey in the last 32 games. This guarantees a play-off spot, and should be entirely possible.

More likely I think if they play just over .500 on the road or pick up 22 points (out of 40 possible) and in their 12 home games play .750 hockey and pick up 18 points (out of 24 possible) They finish with 104 points and should be contending for the division
- mvp0207

Of the remaining 12 home games Hawks play: Blues (x3), Red Wings, Stars, Mapleleafs, Rangers, Kings, Capitals, Canucks, Predators, and Wild. The next 9 games are on the road... then 3 home followed by 5 of the next 6 away again. Their schedule is not hawk friendly.... and imo .750 at home from here out is a stretch without SB acquiring some defensive help, offensive depth.

If the Hawks miss the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if Queenville is shown the door.
- EKolb13

....along with Kitchen, then Havi gets his HC job !! Guess we shall see.

Was "Queenville" just a typo??

When did Hawk fans become such mice? We've been smarter than this. I know it. I know there's a lot of bandwagon fans and some that are new to this. But they're not on this blog. Or at least I thought.

Nick and Nick are having some issues. I have no idea what D switch you make because Neither #5 or #6 can handle top 4 load and splitting up Marlboro 72 isn't an answer either.

But I saw effort. But they also ran into a team that's going great guns while playing 5 rookies.

As they say in the great Lebowski, nothing is f*cked here dude. It's certainly a rough patch but every season has them. 3 points out of 1st. 3 points out of first.
- yahoodi

This is what happens when the marketing goes to the head, hopefully only that of some of the fan base and no one employed at 1901 W. Madison St.

ALL of us know there are glaring issues. If WE see this then the front office SEES it. It's up to the FO to take responsibility to make changes.

I do not really care if other teams may have better prospects. That's what the GM is supposed to do, figure out how to alter the roster.

I'm much more pissed than panicked right now. Glad the ASG is coming up, time to cool down.

Ledge jumpers: You want to jump, go ahead. Have someone video it so I can watch. Otherwise stand down and expect your teams FO, then coaching staff make the necessary changes.

Until the Chicago Black Hawks decide that shoulder pads are for HITTING...they're going be vulnerable. If the team had a style of hitting, this game would have been won for fun. But we're a track meet, skating, don't finish checks team, that lives on the perimeter and is a fire drill inside it's own zone. That is not a recipe for a deep playoff run. We're obviously down key guys, but even with 10 and 19 healthy, we're PRETENDERS.
- philco28

Seems like C2 really needs to wake up as well, with comments like "I thought we played pretty good out there last night, and our PP was really moving (or something to that effect)"...it shows he clearly has no idea what the hell is going on with this team!!!

There must be 30 GM's who don't know what they're doing right now...

Everyone has holes but nobody is making trades... fire them all

JJ
do you think the hawks could get getslaf for kane in a straight up trade?

im beinning to think he is the guy that should be traded and not sharp

JJ
do you think the hawks could get getslaf for kane in a straight up trade?

im beinning to think he is the guy that should be traded and not sharp
- molly2522

Why do you think either of them should be traded?

If the Hawks miss the playoffs, I wouldn't be surprised if Queenville is shown the door.
- EKolb13

Q is NOT the problem... It's Kitchen... he needs to go... Last year PP sucked under him, and when he and Havi switched the special teams, PK sucked... Not sure how they split this year, but both have not been impressive... I never thought taht we woudl mich Torch this much...

To last night's game... Preds were not better, they just cashed in on 2 Hawks gifts... Laddy needs a break; he clearly hit the wall. What I am more pee'd off about is Keith and Seabrook; they are making mental mistakes by trying to do too much...

The only guy I was impressed with last night was Shaw; hands off best Hawk last night, the creator, the energizer, etc... Krueger and Hayes looked good at times, as did Hossa... Kane was nowhere to find except trying to stick handle multiple times thru 4 Preds... Pirri looked lost. He might be ripping it in AHL, but he definitely had stage fright last night...

Anyone criticizing Crawford, get off his back... he kept us in the game last night... He could not do anything about the goals.

Hats off to Montador for trying to energize his teammates by taking on a bigger guy (and getting his a** kicked). A veteran leader move!

Anyone criticizing Crawford, get off his back... he kept us in the game last night... He could not do anything about the goals.

- Nerko77

Bet he thought he should have saved that 2nd goal after the Leddy cough up. It'd be interesting to find out during his stick smash if he was PO'd at the D or just himself. It sure looked like he was PO'd at himself for not having a quick enough glove hand.