Why do you think either of them should be traded?
- pri$ey

My guess is he thinks Getzlaf is a go-getter and Kane is too much a floater.

Seems like C2 really needs to wake up as well, with comments like "I thought we played pretty good out there last night, and our PP was really moving (or something to that effect)"...it shows he clearly has no idea what the hell is going on with this team!!!
- WMurph76

C2 was awake last night... His defencemen left him defenseless!

What do expect him to say? "My team sux... they let me out in the dry!"

Come on man!

C2 was awake last night... His defencemen left him defenseless!

What do expect him to say? "My team sux... they let me out in the dry!"

Come on man!
- Nerko77

Probably what Emery would have said. Not saying right or wrong, just sayin...

Bet he thought he should have saved that 2nd goal after the Leddy cough up. It'd be interesting to find out during his stick smash if he was PO'd at the D or just himself. It sure looked like he was PO'd at himself for not having a quick enough glove hand.
- blackhawk24

Man, Fish was point blank... how quick do you expect his glove to be when the puck is coming back from behind...

I am not sure who C2 was PO'd at, but I a do know who I was with.

Bet he thought he should have saved that 2nd goal after the Leddy cough up. It'd be interesting to find out during his stick smash if he was PO'd at the D or just himself. It sure looked like he was PO'd at himself for not having a quick enough glove hand.
- blackhawk24

Leddy didn't cough the puck up.. The Nashville player made a great play getting the puck to the front of the net with his feet... Also, Pirri and Hammer were both 4 feet away from the open man in front of the net..

Leddy had the guy contained, but he kicked the puck out front.

I'll give Crawford the benefit of the doubt on that goal because the Nashville player also got the puck up high in a hurry. Hard to make that save.

What I didn't like was Crawfords reaction.. Everyone raved about him being calm under pressure last season and we haven't seen that at all this year.

The first goal was soft. The 2nd was a series of a couple of nice plays where they other team needs to get some credit.

One thing I find funny here is that nobody ever gives the other team any credit, they always say the Hawk players blew the play..

C2 was awake last night... His defencemen left him defenseless!

What do expect him to say? "My team sux... they let me out in the dry!"

Come on man!
- Nerko77

I expect him to say that we have some issues that we need to address and we're working on it more and more each day, which hopefully they are! He's not fooling anyone with the sunshine and roses crap, so why even put it out there? I think Emery needs more starts, this team just plays better in front of him...at least for now.

Why do you think either of them should be traded?
- pri$ey

getslaf could provide alot of what the hawks miss in size grit and net presence
kane with all is puck skills is a perimeter player that will never take the body. kane can help market a team with his style of play and he has been missing for half the year so how much would the hawks really miss him

I expect him to say that we have some issues that we need to address and we're working on it more and more each day, which hopefully they are! He's not fooling anyone with the sunshine and roses crap, so why even put it out there? I think Emery needs more starts, this team just plays better in front of him...at least for now.
- WMurph76

While there seems to be some statistic proof to that.. It's imperative that Crawford turns his game around.

He's the goalie of this organization and if he doesn't, this team is in big trouble and need to start looking for another goalie.

Leddy didn't cough the puck up.. The Nashville player made a great play getting the puck to the front of the net with his feet... Also, Pirri and Hammer were both 4 feet away from the open man in front of the net..

Leddy had the guy contained, but he kicked the puck out front.

I'll give Crawford the benefit of the doubt on that goal because the Nashville player also got the puck up high in a hurry. Hard to make that save.

What I didn't like was Crawfords reaction.. Everyone raved about him being calm under pressure last season and we haven't seen that at all this year.

The first goal was soft. The 2nd was a series of a couple of nice plays where they other team needs to get some credit.

One thing I find funny here is that nobody ever gives the other team any credit, they always say the Hawk players blew the play..
- pri$ey

i still think crawford should have read that play and come out of the netto pock check or make the save. he played it tentative and that is why i think he was so mad

....along with Kitchen, then Havi gets his HC job !! Guess we shall see.

Was "Queenville" just a typo??
- blackhawk24

Indeed it was. I didn't get coffee until now. My wife bought a bag of Starbucks blonde. I have to say that stuff is undrinkable.

i still think crawford should have read that play and come out of the netto pock check or make the save. he played it tentative and that is why i think he was so mad
- molly2522

I agree.

As soon as the puck went to the front of the net he went down on his belly. It was an odd move but either way, that is a goal more times than not in the NHL.

Leddy didn't cough the puck up.. The Nashville player made a great play getting the puck to the front of the net with his feet... Also, Pirri and Hammer were both 4 feet away from the open man in front of the net..

Leddy had the guy contained, but he kicked the puck out front.
I'll give Crawford the benefit of the doubt on that goal because the Nashville player also got the puck up high in a hurry. Hard to make that save.

What I didn't like was Crawfords reaction.. Everyone raved about him being calm under pressure last season and we haven't seen that at all this year.

The first goal was soft. The 2nd was a series of a couple of nice plays where they other team needs to get some credit.

One thing I find funny here is that nobody ever gives the other team any credit, they always say the Hawk players blew the play..
- pri$ey

"Leddy had the guy contained?" Leddy had the puck (w time), and tried to swing it around boards thru a man. Yes, Pred's guy made a great play, but Leddy made a mistake leading up to that.

As for 1st goal, I cannot judge if it is soft because I did not bother seeing replay when I came home from the game. It was another one when the Hawk D-man (O'Donnel!?) had the puck behind the net and threw it in front of the net where the Preds player had a point blank shot. I looked to me similar as the 1st goal, with very little reaction time for C2.

On both goals Hawks had the puck possession and coughed it up, so I do not blame C2 for either goal. He made numerous great saves during the game.

While there seems to be some statistic proof to that.. It's imperative that Crawford turns his game around.

He's the goalie of this organization and if he doesn't, this team is in big trouble and need to start looking for another goalie.
- pri$ey

True, I'm just wondering from a coaching perspective (and with the standings being so close at this point)...how do you decide who to play? The guy with more wins and who the team plays better in front of, or the guy who may or may not be the goalie for this club for the next 2 years?

Haha youse guys are crazy

50 goals were sitting in the press box and 5 rookies started against a team that has been hotter than hell with one of their best players out who made an appearance last night. Really not a bad effort considering. They had more than enough opportunities to win/get a point.

Two very bad plays in the corners with the forwards floating on the blue line instead of going to help...

Crawfords allergies to the haaaaair still apparent but he made some very strong stops.

Any one notice Frolik not playing? Smith's tryout is dunzo, he played less than Bickell who was unnoticeable. And Kane was constantly raped by 2-3 predators every time he had the puck and still generated a few quality chances. Hossa as well but hes a boss.

Pat Foley is saying some real dumb poop as of late. Becoming Hawk and DJ annoying.

Positives: Power Play generated a lot of chances and scored, Penalty Kill looked solid, Davey Bolland was 17/3 at the dot (+1 goal) and they created enough chances to win. It wasn't a good time to lose but really not a terrible loss that some of you are making it out to be.

This is what happens when the marketing goes to the head, hopefully only that of some of the fan base and no one employed at 1901 W. Madison St.

ALL of us know there are glaring issues. If WE see this then the front office SEES it. It's up to the FO to take responsibility to make changes.

I do not really care if other teams may have better prospects. That's what the GM is supposed to do, figure out how to alter the roster.

I'm much more pissed than panicked right now. Glad the ASG is coming up, time to cool down.

Ledge jumpers: You want to jump, go ahead. Have someone video it so I can watch. Otherwise stand down and expect your teams FO, then coaching staff make the necessary changes.
- blackhawk24

Before the Front Office takes your suggestion and starts making the changes you are a proponent of, probably best to analyze what the problem(s) is. Where do they start with this group?

Part of the Roster,Of No Value to Anybody Else: John Scott, Sami Lepisto, Andrew Brunette, Sean O'Donnell

Injured: Sharp, Toews, Carcillo

Basically Rookies Playing Full Time: Kruger, Leddy, Hayes, Shaw, (now add Smith and Pirri)

Significant Performance Issues: Kane, Crawford, Montador

Totally MIA: Bickell, Frolik

The cream is starting to rise to the top. Based on the above, the Hawks are just not as good as Detroit, St.Louis, Vancouver or Nashville. That's a fact.

Seems like alot of fixing to be done with not much time to do it.

getslaf could provide alot of what the hawks miss in size grit and net presence
kane with all is puck skills is a perimeter player that will never take the body. kane can help market a team with his style of play and he has been missing for half the year so how much would the hawks really miss him
- molly2522

At his size, I don't expect him to be someone who's going to bang and crash.

I doubt Anaheim was really going to trade Getzlaf in the first place. Anyways, I'd rather have Kane over him. There is other ways this team can add size and grit.

"Leddy had the guy contained?" Leddy had the puck (w time), and tried to swing it around boards thru a man. Yes, Pred's guy made a great play, but Leddy made a mistake leading up to that.

As for 1st goal, I cannot judge if it is soft because I did not bother seeing replay when I came home from the game. It was another one when the Hawk D-man (O'Donnel!?) had the puck behind the net and threw it in front of the net where the Preds player had a point blank shot. I looked to me similar as the 1st goal, with very little reaction time for C2.

On both goals Hawks had the puck possession and coughed it up, so I do not blame C2 for either goal. He made numerous great saves during the game.
- Nerko77

Okay. On the second goal, if you're going to go back further than the actual play.

How did the second goal start?? The Hawks got pinned in their end when the Nashville player dumped the puck in on Crawford from center (thinking back to Saturday night) and Crawford let it bounce and hit him and coughed a big rebound. The Hawks never did get the puck back before the goal.

I have no idea why he didn't just grab the puck and cover it there. He went down in his butterfly, let it hit his pads and bounce into the slot.

Trust me, I'm rooting for Crawford but he has zero confidence right now.. No, the D hasn't been great but it's not totally on them either.

Haha youse guys are crazy

50 goals were sitting in the press box and 5 rookies started against a team that has been hotter than hell with one of their best players out who made an appearance last night. Really not a bad effort considering. They had more than enough opportunities to win/get a point.

Two very bad plays in the corners with the forwards floating on the blue line instead of going to help...

Crawfords allergies to the haaaaair still apparent but he made some very strong stops.

Any one notice Frolik not playing? Smith's tryout is dunzo, he played less than Bickell who was unnoticeable. And Kane was constantly raped by 2-3 predators every time he had the puck and still generated a few quality chances. Hossa as well but hes a boss.

Pat Foley is saying some real dumb poop as of late. Becoming Hawk and DJ annoying.

Positives: Power Play generated a lot of chances and scored, Penalty Kill looked solid, Davey Bolland was 17/3 at the dot (+1 goal) and they created enough chances to win. It wasn't a good time to lose but really not a terrible loss that some of you are making it out to be.
- fattybeef

+1

True, I'm just wondering from a coaching perspective (and with the standings being so close at this point)...how do you decide who to play? The guy with more wins and who the team plays better in front of, or the guy who may or may not be the goalie for this club for the next 2 years?
- WMurph76

IMO, Crawford takes the rest from the All star break and comes back with the first start after.. If he doesn't play well, it's Emery until Emery can go no more.

IMO, Crawford takes the rest from the All star break and comes back with the first start after.. If he doesn't play well, it's Emery until Emery can go no more.
- pri$ey

I can agree with this. In all, one of these two goalies are going to have to step up their game to help keep the Hawks in this until some help on the blueline can be acquired. That's if Bowman can or will go out and get the help that's needed.

IMO, Crawford takes the rest from the All star break and comes back with the first start after.. If he doesn't play well, it's Emery until Emery can go no more.
- pri$ey

I very much like that idea, here's hoping Coach Q sees it that way as well. Supposing Emery does outshine C2 for the rest of this season, how hard do you think it would it be (logistically) for him to replace C2 for next year? I'm assuming C2 would have to be traded and a backup would have to be found for Emery right?

At his size, I don't expect him to be someone who's going to bang and crash.

I doubt Anaheim was really going to trade Getzlaf in the first place. Anyways, I'd rather have Kane over him. There is other ways this team can add size and grit.
- EKolb13

our core other than seabrook does not hit anyone. trading kane for a more physical player would add balance to the lineup
once again kane has been a noshow for half the season so i just dont think he is a player that the hawks would miss that much. there are alot of guys on this team that can do similar things that kane does. maybe not as well but similar

Q is NOT the problem... It's Kitchen... he needs to go... Last year PP sucked under him, and when he and Havi switched the special teams, PK sucked... Not sure how they split this year, but both have not been impressive... I never thought taht we woudl mich Torch this much...

To last night's game... Preds were not better, they just cashed in on 2 Hawks gifts... Laddy needs a break; he clearly hit the wall. What I am more pee'd off about is Keith and Seabrook; they are making mental mistakes by trying to do too much...

The only guy I was impressed with last night was Shaw; hands off best Hawk last night, the creator, the energizer, etc... Krueger and Hayes looked good at times, as did Hossa... Kane was nowhere to find except trying to stick handle multiple times thru 4 Preds... Pirri looked lost. He might be ripping it in AHL, but he definitely had stage fright last night...

Anyone criticizing Crawford, get off his back... he kept us in the game last night... He could not do anything about the goals.

Hats off to Montador for trying to energize his teammates by taking on a bigger guy (and getting his a** kicked). A veteran leader move!
- Nerko77

I know this topic was beat to death a month or so ago.

Are you sure Q isn't the problem? I know Kitchen isn't well liked around here (and I'm one of them), but is Kitchen the problem or just a symptom to a bigger problem? I wonder if Quenneville has lost control of this team sometimes? I would think that Quenneville is the problem rather than it's just Kitchen being the problem?

If anything, if the Hawks miss the playoffs, I'd have to believe that Q may very well be on the "chopping block." With the extention Bowman just signed, I would have to believe he's safe for now. I doubt the core of this team gets a shake up either. I have to believe Q would be the one that takes the fall.

If the Hawks go out in the first round, maybe that's enough for management to tell Q to replace Kitchen?

I very much like that idea, here's hoping Coach Q sees it that way as well. Supposing Emerry does outshine C2 for the rest of this season, how hard do you think it would it be (logistically) for him to replace C2 for next year? I'm assuming C2 would have to be traded and a backup would have to be found for Emery right?
- WMurph76

The bottom line is that our goaltenders have not stole a game for the Hawks this season. Sure they have made some big saves, but I don't recall an outright theft of two points at any point this season. Is it any wonder the skaters don't have any confidence? Edzo quoted Trotz last night that without Rinne stealing wins earlier in the season the Preds may be in the same position as the Blue Jackets.

I very much like that idea, here's hoping Coach Q sees it that way as well. Supposing Emerry does outshine C2 for the rest of this season, how hard do you think it would it be (logistically) for him to replace C2 for next year? I'm assuming C2 would have to be traded and a backup would have to be found for Emery right?
- WMurph76

I mentioned earlier in this thread that there are young goalies who seem ready to take the next step.

Jonathon Bernier
Corey Schneider
Ben Bishop
Anders Lindback

Problem is.. Grouping Chicago into the teams that might be looking for a goalie.

Tampa Bay
Columbus
Toronto

Not to mention Bishop and Lindback being in the Blues and Preds organizations and the other two are also Western Conference rivals..

Let's just hope it doesn't come to that