I still think last year was a good year for him.
- JoeRussomanno

i'm thinking his divorce situation was two years ago?
i'm glad the flyers didn't give up on him but i was sure ready to ship him out during that regular season

I think that sometimes the coaching staff and training staff have to make that decision for the player. I personally would prefer him shelved to heal. I think the AHLers are making more of an impact than a banged up JVR. Therefore I don't blame the 22 year old kid for not making the educated decision rather the staff that has like a century combined experience.
- JoeRussomanno

I agree, if the injury is the main reason for his production. The problem is that we have no idea what options he's been given, what decisions are being made by him or the team, the severity of the injury, etc. It's really tough to make make claims that a player should have surgery because he isn't producing when we don't know anything about the situation. We don't even know the injury is the cause of his drop in production, even though all signs point there.

Bottom line is I'm going to believe that the team is proceeding the best they can.

Okay, so up until 11/25 JVR had 8 goals and 8 assists in 20 games. After 11/25 he had 3 goals and 3 assists in 17 games. I think its fair to say the injury is what is effecting him, and instead of trying to work through it, he should have it fixed...
- RooNosHockey

He has 3 points in his last 6 games or a 41 point pace...

His injury is bothering him, but he has struggled in december in the past..

I think that sometimes the coaching staff and training staff have to make that decision for the player. I personally would prefer him shelved to heal. I think the AHLers are making more of an impact than a banged up JVR. Therefore I don't blame the 22 year old kid for not making the educated decision rather the staff that has like a century combined experience.
- JoeRussomanno

Exactly, I would rather have him miss the season and be ready for the playoffs, or If the playoffs arent possible, I would rather have him ready for next year. I would rather have Matt Read playing JVR's minutes, then have an injured JVR playing at 35% and forcing someone like Read to the 4th line...

i'm thinking his divorce situation was two years ago?
i'm glad the flyers didn't give up on him but i was sure ready to ship him out during that regular season
- Don'tForgetTocchet

yeah i forget the time frame...but even if it was OVER two years ago that sh!t lingers around for at least a half to a full year afterwards. I speak from experience.

I agree, if the injury is the main reason for his production. The problem is that we have no idea what options he's been given, what decisions are being made by him or the team, the severity of the injury, etc. It's really tough to make make claims that a player should have surgery because he isn't producing when we don't know anything about the situation. We don't even know the injury is the cause of his drop in production, even though all signs point there.

Bottom line is I'm going to believe that the team is proceeding the best they can.
- funmaster18

Ill tell you right now.. prior to his concussion I thought he was starting to look really good on a line with Schenn and Simmer. They all looked pretty strong. I think the time off for the conky will certainly help his abdomen.. his hip not so much.

Exactly, I would rather have him miss the season and be ready for the playoffs, or If the playoffs arent possible, I would rather have him ready for next year. I would rather have Matt Read playing JVR's minutes, then have an injured JVR playing at 35% and forcing someone like Read to the 4th line...
- RooNosHockey

That's all something moot right now, there's no shortage of top six minutes for the rookiefor the time being.

Ill tell you right now.. prior to his concussion I thought he was starting to look really good on a line with Schenn and Simmer. They all looked pretty strong. I think the time off for the conky will certainly help his abdomen.. his hip not so much.
- jak521

I agree, he started to really pick it up before he was diagnosed with the concussion. I think he was starting to work through it.

He has 3 points in his last 6 games or a 41 point pace...

His injury is bothering him, but he has struggled in december in the past..
- jak521

Wow, your 6 game total is so much more accurate then the full 37 games I presented...

BTW hartnell has 5 goals in the last 2 games... thats a 205 goal pace....

This is true. And you can't put that solely on Bryz. The D has to step it up and reduce the time spet in their own zone. Right now I see a group of Defensemen that often look out of gas in comparison to the opponents in the 3rd, which is only making Bryz's stats look that much worse.
- hereticpride

the d needs to be better - team d - without question. the goalie can only do so much.

Ill tell you right now.. prior to his concussion I thought he was starting to look really good on a line with Schenn and Simmer. They all looked pretty strong. I think the time off for the conky will certainly help his abdomen.. his hip not so much.
- jak521

Agreed, I thought that line was starting to look pretty solid.

Here is the thing.. it actually hasnt been rare for him to play complete game.. he does it often. Its been rare for him to play a few complete games and then a few average games in a row. He has one game where he makes 34 saves on 35 shots, and follows it up with 20 saves on 24 shots.
- jak521

that's fair. maybe it just seems like he doesn't because of the flip flopping.

That's all something moot right now, there's no shortage of top six minutes for the rookiefor the time being.
- BulliesPhan87

I'm just saying, eventually Briere and Jagr are going to heal, and when JVR comes back this team is going to have to put Legit players on the 4th line and scratch 2 players that should be playing. While JVR is out with this concussion, he should have his hip taken care of. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone, IMO.

Wow, your 6 game total is so much more accurate then the full 37 games I presented...

BTW hartnell has 5 goals in the last 2 games... thats a 205 goal pace....
- RooNosHockey

You took the full season cut it in half and said he has 6 points over the last 17 games.. I just was showing you that right prior to the conky he started to come around. He was battling a hip and abdominal tear... the abdominal tear is most likely the one that affected him the most, as the core is the most important anatomical part of a hockey player.

I'm surprised to read some people not throwing Bryz under the bus this morning. I was just thinking, as bad as Bryz was against Boston, should he had played against Boston to begin with? We might have been seriously pushing our luck by having him play 2 days in a row. Bryz was outstanding against the Wild and then again against the Devils. Bryz does have to be better but let's not discount how good a team Boston is and the fact the D has to do their part. Again, Bryz was bad against Boston but Boston is a good team and the Flyers should real character by sticking with things but maybe Bob should have started one of those weekend games. I think a number of us had a sneaking suspicion that maybe Bob should have started. I know I did.

Hey Bill, I wanna talk about the lines when everyone's healthy again, considering recent play.

I'd like to see Voracek and Schenn flank Briere. As long as Schenn keeps up the play as he did in Boston, he is a 2nd line winger. That Coots, Read, Simmonds line was a thing of beauty. Keep em intact for your 3rd line.... That leaves line 4. Welcome to your new PERMANENT home JvR! Make him play that line with Talbot and Rinaldo/Z/Shelley until he gets a fire under his butt and becomes a man or he gets traded. My lines (tell me what you think):

Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr
Schenn-Briere-Voracek
Read-Scooter-Simmonds
JvR-Talbot-Rinaldo

That's a Stanley Cup lineup if you ask me!
- Boyer83

Might as well trade JVR for a defenseman, if he's a 4th liner. Although, with the way this season is going on health issues... I don't think we'll have a full team for a while.

Just because JVR isn't playing well right now or before his head injury. It doesn't mean you bail on him. You never know, he could get it going and be the leading scorer in the playoffs.

Right now, we've got Bryz, JVR, Briere (and even Giroux/Jagr) that are cold. Grioux just goes to show how quickly things change. Top points for the first half of the year, and cold ever since. There is 35 more regular season games to get them going. Bryz was very good at Phx all year, and cooled off for the playoffs... I predict (and hope) Bryz is going to get Hot and light it up in the playoffs.

the core is the most important anatomical part of a hockey player.
- jak521

jeff carter disagrees.

Congrats to Hartnell. very well deserved.

I'm surprised to read some people not throwing Bryz under the bus this morning. I was just thinking, as bad as Bryz was against Boston, should he had played against Boston to begin with? We might have been seriously pushing our luck by having him play 2 days in a row. Bryz was outstanding against the Wild and then again against the Devils. Bryz does have to be better but let's not discount how good a team Boston is and the fact the D has to do their part. Again, Bryz was bad against Boston but Boston is a good team and the Flyers should real character by sticking with things but maybe Bob should have started one of those weekend games. I think a number of us had a sneaking suspicion that maybe Bob should have started. I know I did.
- Schenn2shine

i would start Bryz...hands down. I never considered Bob. time to get Bryz going. As much as he might've looked bad on a some goals he had some good saves as well.

Might as well trade JVR for a defenseman, if he's a 4th liner. Although, with the way this season is going on health issues... I don't think we'll have a full team for a while.

Just because JVR isn't playing well right now or before his head injury. It doesn't mean you bail on him. You never know, he could get it going and be the leading scorer in the playoffs.

Right now, we've got Bryz, JVR, Briere (and even Giroux/Jagr) that are cold. Grioux just goes to show how quickly things change. Top points for the first half of the year, and cold ever since. There is 35 more regular season games to get them going. Bryz was very good at Phx all year, and cooled off for the playoffs... I predict (and hope) Bryz is going to get Hot and light it up in the playoffs.
- leon neon

Giroux is second in the league in scoring with 55 points. Only Malkin is ahead of him with 58. Datsyuk is behind Giroux with 53 points. I wouldn't say Giroux is cold, I would say he was cold. On all 5 of Hartnell's goals this weekend, Giroux assisted on all 5. That's what Giroux does, he sets up goals.

I'm surprised to read some people not throwing Bryz under the bus this morning. I was just thinking, as bad as Bryz was against Boston, should he had played against Boston to begin with? We might have been seriously pushing our luck by having him play 2 days in a row. Bryz was outstanding against the Wild and then again against the Devils. Bryz does have to be better but let's not discount how good a team Boston is and the fact the D has to do their part. Again, Bryz was bad against Boston but Boston is a good team and the Flyers should real character by sticking with things but maybe Bob should have started one of those weekend games. I think a number of us had a sneaking suspicion that maybe Bob should have started. I know I did.
- Schenn2shine

I disagree that Bryz was bad against Boston.

Congrats to Hartnell. very well deserved.
- nastyflyergirl

Congrats for what?

Giroux is second in the league in scoring with 55 points. Only Malkin is ahead of him with 58. Datsyuk is behind Giroux with 53 points. I wouldn't say Giroux is cold, I would say he was cold. On all 5 of Hartnell's goals this weekend, Giroux assisted on all 5. That's what Giroux does, he sets up goals.
- Schenn2shine

In his last 9 games he has 7 points.. the previous 9 before that he had 16.

In his last 9 games he has 7 points.. the previous 9 before that he had 16.
- jak521

How does this make him cold? Going 9 games without a point is cold.

Congrats for what?
- Schenn2shine

named to the allstar team