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kgrpitt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 09.08.2010

Jan 24 @ 10:24 AM ET
Malkin, king of the slew foot
- nastyflyergirl

Subban has that title. Be more creative next time.
bird_dog
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PEI
Joined: 09.30.2011

Jan 24 @ 10:25 AM ET
Dallas gameday and no chatter over there at all.
Seems like it's time to support Bill and take over that blog.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jan 24 @ 10:25 AM ET
I follow Tim P on twitter and I have learned more about his (frank)ing cat that he named Pronger (Pronger the cat) over the past year than I have about the Flyers.

No wonder the papers are struggling, these guys give nothing back at all. They dig for gossip and in doing so just make situations worse.

You know your priorities are (frank)ed up when your naming your cat after players you cover...

- Flyers2821



It's TMZ...
The comedy clown posse.
the funniest thing is that they all write the same sh!t, same topic with a few different quotes here and there. I know it's tough to come up with a different story each day but having all 3 or 4 outlets write about the same topic is quite amusing. It's almost like they put a topics in a hat and pull one out in their own form of a team meeting and write together.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 24 @ 10:26 AM ET
that trade was a joke. gogo is a 2nd tier puck mover traded for a 1st line winger and a developing third pairing dman. forgot if there were any draft picks...
- isaiah520



It wasn't a joke, it was a very good trade for both sides. Both teams got what they needed. Puck movement on the back end is paramount to a teams success. If you don't have it, then you need to to improve it. A 20 minute a game defenseman is more valuable then a top line forward. Especially if you feel you have a weakness in that area.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 24 @ 10:27 AM ET
I follow Tim P on twitter and I have learned more about his (frank)ing cat that he named Pronger (Pronger the cat) over the past year than I have about the Flyers.

No wonder the papers are struggling, these guys give nothing back at all. They dig for gossip and in doing so just make situations worse.

You know your priorities are (frank)ed up when your naming your cat after players you cover...

- Flyers2821


Was he insulting Pronger by saying Pronger is a "CAT".
kgrpitt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 09.08.2010

Jan 24 @ 10:28 AM ET
It wasn't a joke, it was a very good trade for both sides. Both teams got what they needed. Puck movement on the back end is paramount to a teams success. If you don't have it, then you need to to improve it. A 20 minute a game defenseman is more valuable then a top line forward. Especially if you feel you have a weakness in that area.
- MJL


Dare I say it . . . . . I agree with you.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jan 24 @ 10:29 AM ET
Subban has that title. Be more creative next time.
- kgrpitt


ah, Malkin has been around longer
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 24 @ 10:29 AM ET
The problem is that two games absolutely can skew a guys numbers.. You could have a guy play 10 games.. win 9 of them while making 93 saves on a100 shots.. and then play one game that he loses and lets up 7 goals on 28 shots and have a save % go from .930 to .890. Thats why it is important to look at trends..
- jak521



Good point. You look at trends. And Bryzgalov the last 3 games, his numbers are trending up, and he showed signs of improvement. But you post that and some think your just choosing to ignore the whole Season, and say see he has played well! It's comical how simple statements can be so incredibly misinterpreted.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 24 @ 10:29 AM ET
He originally injured himself in preseason, and has been dealing with that leg injury for the entire season. Thanks, but youarewrong
- Jsaquella


Afraid to crunch the numbers? And please stop making baseless references... They are tiresome.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 24 @ 10:43 AM ET
It wasn't a joke, it was a very good trade for both sides. Both teams got what they needed. Puck movement on the back end is paramount to a teams success. If you don't have it, then you need to to improve it. A 20 minute a game defenseman is more valuable then a top line forward. Especially if you feel you have a weakness in that area.
- MJL

I understand the trade, but for an oft injured offensive d-man who never cracked 70 games or 40 points.. it was an over payment. Id be willing to bet that if Dallas could re do that trade, they wouldnt do it.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
Good point. You look at trends. And Bryzgalov the last 3 games, his numbers are trending up, and he showed signs of improvement. But you post that and some think your just choosing to ignore the whole Season, and say see he has played well! It's comical how simple statements can be so incredibly misinterpreted.
- MJL

I knew exactly where you were going with your posts. Its easy to look at numbers over a 10 game span for a forward.. you simply cant do that with a goalie and be accurate.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 10:50 AM ET
Joe, from what a read from time to time, he was going through a divorce and some personal issues. As much as he tried to not have it affect him on the ice, it did.
- phi1671

I still think last year was a good year for him.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 24 @ 10:50 AM ET
Last 10 games Bryz is 4 wins and 6 loses

save percentage of .891

goals against 3.2

I don't care how anybody wants to spin it, he's a #1 goalie and he's not playing like it. he's had some good games here and there but it seems after a good game or two he has an average at best game.

He needs to be better, hopefully he plays well tonight if he starts.

I used 10 games because I didn't think using 2 games or 5 games was a fair window. His season stats are .895 save percentage and 2.99 goals against average so you could argue he's actually been worse lately not better.

It's not all on the goalie as we all know but Bryz has to be better, He would tell you that, Jeff Reese would tell you that and Lava would tell you that.

Go Flyers

- Buts16


numbers aren't everything, but they certainly tell a good part of the story. it's been rare for him to play a "complete" game - where you couldn't possibly argue about whether a goal was soft. he often makes great stops in every game, but a lot of garbage down low and around the posts is finding its way in. i don't think anyone would argue he needs to be better.


hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 24 @ 10:53 AM ET
It's a good read. I had my issues with Hartnell early in his time here, but he's gotten it, and embraced his place here. He's put up consistently solid numbers and works hard.

Yeah, it helps that he is a funny guy who is able to laugh at himself. But it's more than that. He does a lot of good things and has improved his penchant for ill timed penalties and found a spot.

- Jsaquella


he's also been clutch at key times - like scoring the tying goal against chicago late in the regular season late in the game (which pronger scored the winner with :02 left) and again the tying goal in game 6 of the final to get it to OT. not trying to stir the pot, but i wonder if things are becoming easier here without frick and frack and the rest of the legion of poon.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 24 @ 10:53 AM ET
I still think last year was a good year for him.
- JoeRussomanno

I think people saw the way he played in the playoffs the year before and expected him to carry that over.. I think it unfortunately took him a full season to realize that he was capable of playing like that all the time... thankfully he realized that he could do it, because thats exactly what he has done this year.
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jan 24 @ 10:55 AM ET
If we could set up polls on the board, 100% of respondents would click "Yes" that Bryz has to get better. I don't think anyone has argued otherwise.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 10:55 AM ET
numbers aren't everything, but they certainly tell a good part of the story. it's been rare for him to play a "complete" game - where you couldn't possibly argue about whether a goal was soft. he often makes great stops in every game, but a lot of garbage down low and around the posts is finding its way in. i don't think anyone would argue he needs to be better.
- hammarby31

This is true. And you can't put that solely on Bryz. The D has to step it up and reduce the time spet in their own zone. Right now I see a group of Defensemen that often look out of gas in comparison to the opponents in the 3rd, which is only making Bryz's stats look that much worse.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 24 @ 10:55 AM ET
he's also been clutch at key times - like scoring the tying goal against chicago late in the regular season late in the game (which pronger scored the winner with :02 left) and again the tying goal in game 6 of the final to get it to OT. not trying to stir the pot, but i wonder if things are becoming easier here without frick and frack and the rest of the legion of poon.
- hammarby31

A common thing I have heard many of the players say is that its easier to practice this year, or everybody is devoted this year, etc.

I cant help but think the two of them had some sort of effect on the team...
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 24 @ 10:55 AM ET
If we could set up polls on the board, 100% of respondents would click "Yes" that Bryz has to get better. I don't think anyone has argued otherwise.
- eayost

You are 100% ( ) correct
kgrpitt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 09.08.2010

Jan 24 @ 10:56 AM ET
I understand the trade, but for an oft injured offensive d-man who never cracked 70 games or 40 points.. it was an over payment. Id be willing to bet that if Dallas could re do that trade, they wouldnt do it.
- jak521


Luckily, we have yet to make a time machine that works consistently so that can't happen!!!
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 24 @ 10:57 AM ET
numbers aren't everything, but they certainly tell a good part of the story. it's been rare for him to play a "complete" game - where you couldn't possibly argue about whether a goal was soft. he often makes great stops in every game, but a lot of garbage down low and around the posts is finding its way in. i don't think anyone would argue he needs to be better.
- hammarby31

Here is the thing.. it actually hasnt been rare for him to play complete game.. he does it often. Its been rare for him to play a few complete games and then a few average games in a row. He has one game where he makes 34 saves on 35 shots, and follows it up with 20 saves on 24 shots.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 24 @ 10:57 AM ET
Afraid to crunch the numbers? And please stop making baseless references... They are tiresome.
- RooNosHockey

Okay, so up until 11/25 JVR had 8 goals and 8 assists in 20 games. After 11/25 he had 3 goals and 3 assists in 17 games. I think its fair to say the injury is what is effecting him, and instead of trying to work through it, he should have it fixed...
eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jan 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
Here is the thing.. it actually hasnt been rare for him to play complete game.. he does it often. Its been rare for him to play a few complete games and then a few average games in a row. He has one game where he makes 34 saves on 35 shots, and follows it up with 20 saves on 24 shots.
- jak521


Makes it tough for him to build any kind of confidence.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:00 AM ET
Okay, so up until 11/25 JVR had 8 goals and 8 assists in 20 games. After 11/25 he had 3 goals and 3 assists in 17 games. I think its fair to say the injury is what is effecting him, and instead of trying to work through it, he should have it fixed...
- RooNosHockey

Yeah, this is basically what everyone is saying. Around here at least.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 24 @ 11:00 AM ET
Okay, so up until 11/25 JVR had 8 goals and 8 assists in 20 games. After 11/25 he had 3 goals and 3 assists in 17 games. I think its fair to say the injury is what is effecting him, and instead of trying to work through it, he should have it fixed...
- RooNosHockey

I think that sometimes the coaching staff and training staff have to make that decision for the player. I personally would prefer him shelved to heal. I think the AHLers are making more of an impact than a banged up JVR. Therefore I don't blame the 22 year old kid for not making the educated decision rather the staff that has like a century combined experience.
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