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leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jan 24 @ 10:38 AM ET
Tim Panaccio: Who's To Blame?
- tpanaccio



Tim...

Goalie and shootouts. I totally understand. Goalies are reactionary - no thought required. Goalies teach them selves to be in the right spot at the right time - whether it's body position, glove, etc... Kick saves are timing, etc... Deflections screw up the muscle memory, and generally go in. Shots that are faster than normal (or sometimes slower) tend to go in as well. Goalies protect with the muscle memory ~XX% of the net - Shots that are "upstairs" are out of the protected zone, and generally go in... Goalie practice these saves in real-time. There is something unnatural about a shootout. It throws the timing off and there is too much time to think.

It's similar to... Have you ever wadded up a piece of paper and without thinking - throw it into the trashcan... Then tried it again with aiming and thought - and the paper completely misses the trashcan.

leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jan 24 @ 10:52 AM ET
it is disappointing, and really unacceptable given the SO is a reality of today's game no matter how much purists despise and protest it. knowing the flyers have the worst record in nhl history in this category makes it even worse. i love read and simmonds, but i found lava's choices yesterday suspect. with briere and jvr out (jagr doesn't go early) they had less skill to choose from, but still other options were available. and for the love of god, bryz, make a (frank)ing save.
- hammarby31


Read and Simmonds has been playing well. And, Lavy was giving them a chance - I respect that. But, both are not known for their stick handling or wicked shots.

My choices...
Giroux - no need to explain why
Cooter - if you're going to have a straight shooter... Cooter had some pretty wirsters into the top corner during his scoring streak. Hard than Simmonds or Read.
Voracek - He's got some moves, but with 5-5 play he can't find the back of the net. Maybe he'd excel without any defenders?
or Schenn, If you're going to try some one new... Schenn played a hell of a game (from what I saw). He should have been rewarded with the chance.


phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jan 24 @ 11:04 AM ET
Tim...

Goalie and shootouts. I totally understand. Goalies are reactionary - no thought required. Goalies teach them selves to be in the right spot at the right time - whether it's body position, glove, etc... Kick saves are timing, etc... Deflections screw up the muscle memory, and generally go in. Shots that are faster than normal (or sometimes slower) tend to go in as well. Goalies protect with the muscle memory ~XX% of the net - Shots that are "upstairs" are out of the protected zone, and generally go in... Goalie practice these saves in real-time. There is something unnatural about a shootout. It throws the timing off and there is too much time to think.

It's similar to... Have you ever wadded up a piece of paper and without thinking - throw it into the trashcan... Then tried it again with aiming and thought - and the paper completely misses the trashcan.

- leon neon


stop your 2logical
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Jan 24 @ 11:10 AM ET
why not Schenn? very odd
- nastyflyergirl


Why not Couturier? He has been hot lately and has good hands. Lava should have gone with Schenn, Cooter, and Giroux. I said it game day and I still fell that way, but it is what it is. Also I can see why they don't practice it. It is a relatively rare occurrence in the season (this season they have gone to the SO in 6.4% of their games...3 times in 47 games) and it doesn't, despite a certain beat writer's misconception, happen at all in the playoffs. Why not focus on PP, PK, breakout drills, board battles, and on ice conditioning, all of which are needed eery game.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jan 24 @ 11:18 AM ET
stop your 2logical
- phi1671


Sorry, I was watching the Nova special on the universe... And, thinking about the hugeness of space.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 24 @ 11:19 AM ET
if you look closely, tim, you'll see that the sens have played four more games than the flyers and have six fewer regulation/ot wins. don't expect them to be anywhere near the flyers in the standings by year's end.

also, not sure how any could say putting read out there in the shootout was a suspect decision given who was available to shoot.

- OrangeBlack27


Kind of surprised me Bob was not out there for the shootout. He might roof one past Timmy Thomas.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

Jan 24 @ 12:15 PM ET
the coaching if they supposedly dont practice it
- Just5

lindros8888
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: hatboro, PA
Joined: 03.03.2009

Jan 24 @ 12:26 PM ET
The best line of the article is at the end...

I am even okay getting into the lockerroom a little later if that means they will score... or something like that...

Yeah, because its all about you Tim, and the rest of the "awesome" beat writers we have in this town. Great note... I am sure Lava will take your thoughts into consideration about when you are granted access to the lockerroom.
maaddmike
Joined: 08.08.2006

Jan 24 @ 12:28 PM ET
Today, he said the big handicap for a goalie was the fresh ice. Bryz said the ice is too wet, too slick from the Zamboni going down the middle to prep a clean, partial path for the shooter and goalie.

Bryzgalov said this may benefit the shooter more than the goalie because the goalie has to be careful in moving across the crease, side to side, so as to not slip and go “flying” to one side or the other.

He said he doesn’t like the fact he can’t dig his skates into the ice and get some traction going.


This doesn't even make sense. They don't flood the ice when they get ready for the shootout. It is just a dry scrape. How is the ice "too wet"??
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
Today, he said the big handicap for a goalie was the fresh ice. Bryz said the ice is too wet, too slick from the Zamboni going down the middle to prep a clean, partial path for the shooter and goalie.

Bryzgalov said this may benefit the shooter more than the goalie because the goalie has to be careful in moving across the crease, side to side, so as to not slip and go “flying” to one side or the other.

He said he doesn’t like the fact he can’t dig his skates into the ice and get some traction going.


This doesn't even make sense. They don't flood the ice when they get ready for the shootout. It is just a dry scrape. How is the ice "too wet"??

- maaddmike


That sheen on the ice Sunday when the Zambonis went by must have been an illusion.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
Today, he said the big handicap for a goalie was the fresh ice. Bryz said the ice is too wet, too slick from the Zamboni going down the middle to prep a clean, partial path for the shooter and goalie.

Bryzgalov said this may benefit the shooter more than the goalie because the goalie has to be careful in moving across the crease, side to side, so as to not slip and go “flying” to one side or the other.

He said he doesn’t like the fact he can’t dig his skates into the ice and get some traction going.


This doesn't even make sense. They don't flood the ice when they get ready for the shootout. It is just a dry scrape. How is the ice "too wet"??

- maaddmike


what also doesn't make sense is that if the ice is wet, the puck does not slide.

probably a language/panaccio being retarded thing. i get what bryz is saying. the fresher the ice, the less traction the goalies can get (hence why they make shavings in the crease at the start of every period, obviously). even still, every goalie deals with it. make some saves, ilya.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 24 @ 12:33 PM ET
what also doesn't make sense is that if the ice is wet, the puck does not slide.

probably a language/panaccio being retarded thing. i get what bryz is saying. the fresher the ice, the less traction the goalies can get (hence why they make shavings in the crease at the start of every period, obviously). even still, every goalie deals with it. make some saves, ilya.

- OrangeBlack27

Yes. Please. For Seravalli's sake.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jan 24 @ 12:34 PM ET
Read's SO attempt went awry but he's got some moves and good hands. He's also scored on a penalty shot this season. Personally, I'd have gone with Couturier as the third shooter.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 24 @ 12:36 PM ET
Read's SO attempt went awry but he's got some moves and good hands. He's also scored on a penalty shot this season. Personally, I'd have gone with Couturier as the third shooter.
- bmeltzer

I was thinking that, with his wrister being "on" of late, that Couturier would be the perfect shooter to start for the Flyers.
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

Jan 24 @ 12:56 PM ET
Tim Panaccio: Who's To Blame?
- tpanaccio


Dozzer, of course.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jan 24 @ 4:42 PM ET
Read and Simmonds has been playing well. And, Lavy was giving them a chance - I respect that. But, both are not known for their stick handling or wicked shots.

My choices...
Giroux - no need to explain why
Cooter - if you're going to have a straight shooter... Cooter had some pretty wirsters into the top corner during his scoring streak. Hard than Simmonds or Read.
Voracek - He's got some moves, but with 5-5 play he can't find the back of the net. Maybe he'd excel without any defenders?
or Schenn, If you're going to try some one new... Schenn played a hell of a game (from what I saw). He should have been rewarded with the chance.

- leon neon

Read has great stick handling. Don't know what games you have been watching
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jan 24 @ 5:26 PM ET
watch Devan Dubnyk in last night's shootout against the Sharks. Look at his aggression. That's how I want our goalies to play the shootout. Bryz was a cone.
maaddmike
Joined: 08.08.2006

Jan 25 @ 8:58 AM ET
With all the concussions you guys have suffered this season you might find this article interesting:

http://www.ottawasun.com/...-targeted-niners-williams

I found it disturbing that a team's strategy would be to try to take advantage of a players concussion history and target him. And even worse, it sounds like it worked.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jan 25 @ 1:22 PM ET
With all the concussions you guys have suffered this season you might find this article interesting:

http://www.ottawasun.com/...-targeted-niners-williams

I found it disturbing that a team's strategy would be to try to take advantage of a players concussion history and target him. And even worse, it sounds like it worked.

- maaddmike


hmm....well, NHL teams are slowly moving away from the UBI label to actually identify concussions in an effort to raise awareness, etc. Could (and probably will) in unintended consequences.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jan 25 @ 6:31 PM ET
With all the concussions you guys have suffered this season you might find this article interesting:

http://www.ottawasun.com/...-targeted-niners-williams

I found it disturbing that a team's strategy would be to try to take advantage of a players concussion history and target him. And even worse, it sounds like it worked.

- maaddmike


And these 1 and 2 game suspensions aren't much of a deterrent either.

Start with 8 games. Imagine if the Caps lost Ovechkin for 1/10 of the season for that head shot the other night...
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