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flyfan1212
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I am the god of tits and wine.
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jan 23 @ 8:53 AM ET
i really wish homer would give sestito atleast a couple games to show what he's got. im not saying hes the next lucic or ryan clowe but I think he could be a nice addition. I really like what he can bring.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jan 23 @ 8:53 AM ET
I'm just tired of hearing all the sh!t towards Bryz. I think his growth was stunted because of all the media distractions and i'm thankful it's over. in the last couple of weeks we have seen him string together a few good periods and now he just needs to put it together. But wait...that sounds like how the team is playing too.
Am i tired of hearing about the last 20 years, sure i am but in reality I could be a Blue Jackets fan or a Panthers fan. I enjoy watching the team and would rather think of things are being "half full" instead of the always finding scapegoats.

from losing 3 guys the days before, the team gutted out and got a point in the dam shootout versus packing it in after the B's going up 3 to 1.

Hartnell is the bonus because it goes to show you how much personal sh!t can distrupt you at your job. He's the all star of the team right now.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 8:53 AM ET
Make excuses. Say he made stops early. Great.

He allowed another soft goal. No matter how you want to spin it.

A soft goal in what most would view as a statement game.

- ggunky


There are no excuses being offered. That is your spin on it. It is a fact that he made a number of quality saves in the game. These saves can be seen on the Flyers website in the game highlights video. I don't view any of the goals as soft. Again, if you want to talk about spin. Calling a goal soft is your spin on it.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jan 23 @ 8:55 AM ET
There are no excuses being offered. That is your spin on it. It is a fact that he made a number of quality saves in the game. These saves can be seen on the Flyers website in the game highlights video. I don't view any of the goals as soft. Again, if you want to talk about spin. Calling a goal soft is your spin on it.
- MJL


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And this is your spin on it.


Spin it, baby! Spin it away!

wanted a goalie to make stops he SHOULD make isn't spin.


MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 23 @ 8:55 AM ET
The problem is, that tough "love" seems to be born out of lack of knowledge of the sport. Jeff carter was good enough to acquire a very skilled young player and a top ten draft choice, he was one of the top goal scorers in the NHL for the past four years or so and idiots call him a bust or say he's not any good.

That's not tough love, it's blatant stupidity.

- Jsaquella




4real
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 23 @ 8:55 AM ET
When it is the most important position on the team, in the sport, to point to that position as a reason is valid.
- ggunky


When I feel the goaltending is the primary reason they lost, I will blame the goalie. Like in 2010, I feel that Leighton & Boucher were the primary reason they didn't beat Chicago.

In 2004, the goaltending was not why they didn't advance past the ECF. The same goes for 2008. Simply saying the goaltending is the reason they haven't won in 37 years is ignoring a lot of things.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 8:57 AM ET
'
And this is your spin on it.


Spin it, baby! Spin it away!

wanted a goalie to make stops he SHOULD make isn't spin.

- ggunky


Again, saying that he made a bunch of quality saves in the game isn't spin. It's a fact. And the numbers I posted for his last 3 games played, is a fact. I'm offering an informed opinion here based on facts. Not replying with spin, it baby!
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 23 @ 8:58 AM ET
In my opinion Bryzgalov had a very good weekend, and is showing that he is improving. His numbers are always being thrown around. Well in his last 3 games, here are Bryzgalov's numbers

2-0-1, 2.27, .926 in last 3 GP

- MJL

fine. as long as you are willing to accurately update these numbers w/o shuffling to change the new starting time for the calculations...then it's just arbitrary and meaningless. I think 95% of us here like bryz and are rooting hard for him to succeed. let's hope he does.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jan 23 @ 8:59 AM ET
Again, saying that he made a bunch of quality saves in the game isn't spin. It's a fact. And the numbers I posted for his last 3 games played, is a fact. I'm offering an informed opinion here based on facts. Not replying with spin, it baby!

- MJL



Spin! round and round!

Your funny. You point fo view isn't spin but mine is!



Buts16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: big masters of the puck
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 23 @ 8:59 AM ET
http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20120122/SPORTS04/301220036/Won-t-easy-replacing-Carle-he-leaves?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Flyers

Actually a good read on Carle and his importance.

- Jsaquella


Carle is impotent?
wardbomb
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 08.30.2011

Jan 23 @ 9:00 AM ET
The problem is, that tough "love" seems to be born out of lack of knowledge of the sport. Jeff carter was good enough to acquire a very skilled young player and a top ten draft choice, he was one of the top goal scorers in the NHL for the past four years or so and idiots call him a bust or say he's not any good.

That's not tough love, it's blatant stupidity.

- Jsaquella


When put that way, you are correct, it is stupid.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 9:00 AM ET
fine. as long as you are willing to accurately update these numbers w/o shuffling to change the new starting time for the calculations...then it's just arbitrary and meaningless. I think 95% of us here like bryz and are rooting hard for him to succeed. let's hope he does.
- isaiah520


I'll explain it to you. Those number are used to show improvement. To back up my opinion that he is showing improvement. Pretty simple.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:01 AM ET
One thing that really bothered me yesterday... the (frank)ing idiot fans in the crowd cheering when Bryz made a save. Learn the game before opening your mouth at a game...
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:02 AM ET
When I feel the goaltending is the primary reason they lost, I will blame the goalie. Like in 2010, I feel that Leighton & Boucher were the primary reason they didn't beat Chicago.

In 2004, the goaltending was not why they didn't advance past the ECF. The same goes for 2008. Simply saying the goaltending is the reason they haven't won in 37 years is ignoring a lot of things.

- Jsaquella



I hear ya.

All I would like is for Bryz to play better.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 23 @ 9:02 AM ET
Spin! round and round!

Your funny. You point fo view isn't spin but mine is!


- ggunky


In judging a goal he let in as soft, that's an opinion. Whether that opinion is soft or not soft. But that he made a bunch of quality saves in the game that helped his team gain a point, or the numbers I posted for his last 3 games. That is not spin. That is a fact.
SeaIslelandLush
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jan 23 @ 9:03 AM ET
Your free to disagree. What's the score of the game if Bryzgalov doesn't make a bunch of quality saves in the game? And I would disagree that there were 2 soft goals. In my opinion, only one of the goals is a goal that I think he should have gotten. And that was off the stick of a player that was inside the crease.
- MJL


I agree with you. Only goal I was a bit upset with was the 5th. I understand the puck was behind tthe net and came around quickly but if Bryz has his left pad down on the ice with his paddle its a routine stop and cover. Been far too many 5 hole goals this yr, deflections or not, but he has to work on the angle of his butterfly as others mentioned in the gameday thread.

For the most part, I like what I saw from him yesterday. He made a few big clutch saves
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:03 AM ET
I'll explain it to you. Those number are used to show improvement. To back up my opinion that he is showing improvement. Pretty simple.
- MJL

I agree with you.. and I think we may be in the minority here.. But if Bryz doesnt make a handful of those game changing saves.. its a no contest. He had 8 rookies playing in front of him, and the team was playing on the back end of a back to back. He allowed a goal that in my opinion wasnt a "soft goal" but one he probably could have had.. it was super bang bang though..
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:04 AM ET
I agree with you. Only goal I was a bit upset with was the 5th. I understand the puck was behind tthe net and came around quickly but if Bryz has his left pad down on the ice with his paddle its a routine stop and cover. Been far too many 5 hole goals this yr, deflections or not, but he has to work on the angle of his butterfly as others mentioned in the gameday thread.

For the most part, I like what I saw from him yesterday. He made a few big clutch saves

- SeaIslelandLush



EDIT:Ill bet when they break that one down, Lava will have more to say to Gussy than bryz.. You cant let a guy get wide open like that on the doorstep. It never ends up good.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 23 @ 9:05 AM ET
I hear ya.

All I would like is for Bryz to play better.

- ggunky


Based on his last three games, he is playing better than he currently was. Your only concern is you think he is letting in a soft goal every game. I thought yesterday that Bryzgalov played as well as Thomas.
flyers2001
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 01.29.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:05 AM ET
i really wish homer would give sestito atleast a couple games to show what he's got. im not saying hes the next lucic or ryan clowe but I think he could be a nice addition. I really like what he can bring.
- flyfan1212



I totally agree. I think the few games he has played since being recalled midseason his been pretty noticeable in a positive way.

If Harry Z can not be used on the PK I think Sestito can certainly bring more to that 4th line spot in the mean time.

If he can continue to work on his skating I think there is a bigger power forward type role for him down the line.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jan 23 @ 9:06 AM ET
In judging a goal he let in as soft, that's an opinion. Whether that opinion is soft or not soft. But that he made a bunch of quality saves in the game that helped his team gain a point, or the numbers I posted for his last 3 games. That is not spin. That is a fact.
- MJL



it is your opinion that he made a bunch of quality saves!

Fact is he allowed a goal he should have stopped (Maybe even 2 goals if you ask Bill). That isn't opinion, that is fact.

Again, you point of view isnt spin but mine is. Stop being so close minded as in to think that your point of view is the only one.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 23 @ 9:06 AM ET
i really wish homer would give sestito atleast a couple games to show what he's got. im not saying hes the next lucic or ryan clowe but I think he could be a nice addition. I really like what he can bring.
- flyfan1212

I think having sestito for bigger teams and rinaldo for faster ones makes sense. neither player is likely to suffer from lack of playing time up here- they are what they are. when some bodies get healthy it's time to move on from you-know-who. sestito did more in 8 mins to bother the Bs physically than the has-been has done in his entire tenure here.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 23 @ 9:08 AM ET
Spin! round and round!

Your funny. You point fo view isn't spin but mine is!


- ggunky



You are finally starting to get it!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jan 23 @ 9:09 AM ET
I hear ya.

All I would like is for Bryz to play better.

- ggunky



And he definitely need to play better.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 23 @ 9:10 AM ET
I think having sestito for bigger teams and rinaldo for faster ones makes sense. neither player is likely to suffer from lack of playing time up here- they are what they are. when some bodies get healthy it's time to move on from you-know-who. sestito did more in 8 mins to bother the Bs physically than the has-been has done in his entire tenure here.
- isaiah520


Sestito did a nice job yesterday. You cant ignore his physical play out on the ice.
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