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OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 23 @ 1:03 PM ET
I dont want Suter in a bidding war. If we can get his rights and sign him to a cap hit of like 5.5 mill, then yes, but if we are talking a 6 plus anual cap hit, no thank you...
- RooNosHockey




will be shocked if he signs anywhere for less than 6.5
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 23 @ 1:04 PM ET
He seems much more focused. Even in interviews he makes more sense. And he seemed a natural for the A yesterday. In past years I would not have said that.
- bodiva88


Got rid of the bad influences... Carter and Richards
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:04 PM ET
http://www.phillyburbs.co...e1-88a9-0019bb30f31a.html

there is more to life then dealing with trades, soft goals and bad writers.
ggunky
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I like cold beverages, NJ
Joined: 04.09.2008

Jan 23 @ 1:05 PM ET
doesn't bode well for a carle return. gogo was set to become an RFA and he's on pace for 28 points and gets 4.6. carle obviously will be ufa and on pace for second-straight 40-point season.
- OrangeBlack27





PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
He seems much more focused. Even in interviews he makes more sense. And he seemed a natural for the A yesterday. In past years I would not have said that.
- bodiva88


He's been great in all aspects this year. He plays hard every shift as well.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
agreed. you comfortable with gus and mab as your 5 and 6 going forward?
- OrangeBlack27


Lavy seems pretty confident in him. He was on the ice in OT yesterday.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
Bryz was solid yesterday. Enough said. He kept them in the game in the first period.
- KGBflyers10


I'm not throwing him under the bus for yesterday, but he has to be better for us to compete with the big dogs in the conf. I still see the same issues that were eating him alive before he played two good games in a row. Lateral movement and stick flailing about not covering the five hole. Also, I think it was on the fifth goal, he should have come over paddle down to cover the post. Instead, his stick is weakly flailing in front of him. I'd say 3 of those goals were acceptable. The shootout was just weak though. Work in progress. I would not be opposed to him starting tomorrow night either. Then a week away from the game to refresh the mind.. I expect him to improve.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
agreed. you comfortable with gus and mab as your 5 and 6 going forward?
- OrangeBlack27


Going to have to be. Suter, Timonen, Meszy, and Coburn would be a pretty solid top 4.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 23 @ 1:08 PM ET


will be shocked if he signs anywhere for less than 6.5

- OrangeBlack27


There is a lot of room to work a contract down for someone that is 26. Give him a 10 year deal that makes the cap hit 5.5, then give him bonuses and a NTC, not a NMC.

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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:09 PM ET
Going to have to be. Suter, Timonen, Meszy, and Coburn would be a pretty solid top 4.
- PLindbergh31


Goligoski is usually a 40-50 point guy. $4.6M sounds about right. Is Carle better than Goligoski?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jan 23 @ 1:09 PM ET
doesn't bode well for a carle return. gogo was set to become an RFA and he's on pace for 28 points and gets 4.6. carle obviously will be ufa and on pace for second-straight 40-point season.
- OrangeBlack27

My thoughts precisely. It'll be a tricky task, assembling this defensive corps.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 23 @ 1:11 PM ET
Goligoski is usually a 40-50 point guy. $4.6M sounds about right. Is Carle better than Goligoski?
- stveshdy


I think they are comparable players. Obviously I don't see Goligoski as much as I see Carle, so Carle's weaknesses would be more apparent to me.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 23 @ 1:13 PM ET
My thoughts precisely. It'll be a tricky task, assembling this defensive corps.
- BulliesPhan87


What we really should do is trade one of our current young offensive players for a young d-man of equal value... Get like a L.Schenn, or Ellis, or Blum... Maybe Subban...

Then use our draft picks to take a bunch of D-man in the next draft. And sign a mid-teir guy for the time being. Maybe offer Carle a 1 year 4.5 mill deal.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:19 PM ET
My thoughts precisely. It'll be a tricky task, assembling this defensive corps.
- BulliesPhan87


I think we have to resign Carle as long as it's not for 6 mil a year. With Pronger most likely LTIR'ed and the cap going up (as some people think) then we should have room. Maybe the plan is to let him walk, draft a young dman and sign Suter though. After the creativity shown last summer by Homer, I think he'll find a way to sort the D out. I just worry about Timonen wearing out later this year.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:21 PM ET
What we really should do is trade one of our current young offensive players for a young d-man of equal value... Get like a L.Schenn, or Ellis, or Blum... Maybe Subban...

Then use our draft picks to take a bunch of D-man in the next draft. And sign a mid-teir guy for the time being. Maybe offer Carle a 1 year 4.5 mill deal.

- RooNosHockey


not a bad plan, but I don't see any way of getting Carle to come back on a 1 yr deal. He's gonna want term and money.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 23 @ 1:25 PM ET
I am sure folks in Boston are calling for Tuukka Rask to take over today in light of yesterday's performance by Tim Thomas.

Or not. Because Boston fans are more even-tempered and sensible than our own.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jan 23 @ 1:25 PM ET
not a bad plan, but I don't see any way of getting Carle to come back on a 1 yr deal. He's gonna want term and money.
- Hextall271


I cant see why carle would command more then Coburn, so if he accepts a deal less then 5 million, I'm ok signing him to a 3-4 year deal. If not, I would trade his rights in the offseason.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 23 @ 1:27 PM ET
I am sure folks in Boston are calling for Tuukka Rask to take over today in light of yesterday's performance by Tim Thomas.

Or not. Because Boston fans are more even-tempered and sensible than our own.

- Flyskippy


How.effin. DAREYOU!!!!!!!!!!!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:28 PM ET
agreed. you comfortable with gus and mab as your 5 and 6 going forward?
- OrangeBlack27

i am they're much better than parent or bartulis was
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Jan 23 @ 1:28 PM ET
19 Flyer wins in the shootout. I wonder who has most of them? Esche, Biron, Nitty?
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Jan 23 @ 1:28 PM ET

How.effin. DAREYOU!!!!!!!!!!!

- jak521




Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 23 @ 1:28 PM ET
I am sure folks in Boston are calling for Tuukka Rask to take over today in light of yesterday's performance by Tim Thomas.

Or not. Because Boston fans are more even-tempered and sensible than our own.

- Flyskippy


..or it could also be because they have gone all of 6 months without a cup.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 23 @ 1:29 PM ET
I am sure folks in Boston are calling for Tuukka Rask to take over today in light of yesterday's performance by Tim Thomas.

Or not. Because Boston fans are more even-tempered and sensible than our own.

- Flyskippy


got your point, but all sports fans--especially on the east coast--are monumentally stupid and shortsighted.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 23 @ 1:32 PM ET
I cant see why carle would command more then Coburn, so if he accepts a deal less then 5 million, I'm ok signing him to a 3-4 year deal. If not, I would trade his rights in the offseason.
- RooNosHockey


I personally think he is looking for more money than what Coburn received.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 23 @ 1:32 PM ET
I am sure folks in Boston are calling for Tuukka Rask to take over today in light of yesterday's performance by Tim Thomas.

Or not. Because Boston fans are more even-tempered and sensible than our own.

- Flyskippy


If Thomas' save % was .895 and gaa were 3+, I'm sure a good amount of them would be calling for Rask.
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