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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:23 PM ET
So do I. I need Schenn to Shine today. Enough of the baby steps, time to step up and be a player today on both ends of the ice.
- stveshdy


Schenn has had some very good games this year. I have no worries about him.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:23 PM ET
February is 227 month. OB18 is going to be Jackee.
- Jsaquella


So obscure I had to look it up...

Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:24 PM ET
Well an article that was written in the NY Times was just about that subject, was talked about today. And it dealt with the statistical evidence that pretty much concluded that winning or losing a fight, has little to do with giving a team momentum.
- MJL


Sometimes there is a short-term spark of energy, but the team only has a shift or two to capitalize off it before it has zero effect.

Last night's game in Minnesota is an example. The Stars were leading the Wild, 2-1, and seemingly in control of the game. Darroll Powe dropped the gloves with Steve Ott. Minnesota scored on the next shift and went on to score two more goals in the next 2:20 or so to turn a 2-1 deficit into a 4-2 lead.

Did the fight make the difference? Both the Wild and Stars players and coaches afterwards thought it was a turning point.

But I think most of the time, a fight makes no difference on the outcome. It has to be done at the right time -- Sean O'Donnell has a real good sense of it -- and the rest of the team has to respond right away.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:27 PM ET
Sometimes there is a short-term spark of energy, but the team only has a shift or two to capitalize off it before it has zero effect.

Last night's game in Minnesota is an example. The Stars were leading the Wild, 2-1, and seemingly in control of the game. Darroll Powe dropped the gloves with Steve Ott. Minnesota scored on the next shift and went on to score two more goals in the next 2:20 or so to turn a 2-1 deficit into a 4-2 lead.

Did the fight make the difference? Both the Wild and Stars players and coaches afterwards thought it was a turning point.

But I think most of the time, a fight makes no difference on the outcome. It has to be done at the right time -- Sean O'Donnell has a real good sense of it -- and the rest of the team has to respond right away.

- bmeltzer


Anytime your dealing with statistical evidence of a situation, there's going to be times when it goes both ways. But according to the article, and 3 different analysis from different sources. It's overwhelmingly in favor of a fight not affecting the outcome of a game in any way. And we also know that statistical analysis isn't fool proof.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:28 PM ET
So obscure I had to look it up...


- wolfhounds


I have no idea where it came from, just popped in my head.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:28 PM ET
Sean O'Donnell has a real good sense of it -- and the rest of the team has to respond right away.
- bmeltzer


Ugh. You mean the guy that should still be in orange and black?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:29 PM ET
Ugh. You mean the guy that should still be in orange and black?
- wolfhounds


I've read that a lot of Chicago fans wish that he was. Whatever that's worth.
Scottie Upshall
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Mike Richards snorted coke off
Joined: 07.30.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
How much would it take to get Carter back?
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
bryz told the beat reprters to leave him alone and just let him play hockeys

- Don'tForgetTocchet


that is fantastic. i wish there was more to the clip.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:31 PM ET
I've read that a lot of Chicago fans wish that he was. Whatever that's worth.
- MJL


Right, not saying he's a savior or anything. But I'd take him over Lilja and Walker. And obviously with all our injuries, it would be good to have him around.

It's that 20/20 hindsight thing.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jan 22 @ 2:32 PM ET
Ovie!!!
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jan 22 @ 2:36 PM ET
Sometimes there is a short-term spark of energy, but the team only has a shift or two to capitalize off it before it has zero effect.

Last night's game in Minnesota is an example. The Stars were leading the Wild, 2-1, and seemingly in control of the game. Darroll Powe dropped the gloves with Steve Ott. Minnesota scored on the next shift and went on to score two more goals in the next 2:20 or so to turn a 2-1 deficit into a 4-2 lead.

Did the fight make the difference? Both the Wild and Stars players and coaches afterwards thought it was a turning point.

But I think most of the time, a fight makes no difference on the outcome. It has to be done at the right time -- Sean O'Donnell has a real good sense of it -- and the rest of the team has to respond right away.

- bmeltzer

I really, really liked Powe. Maybe even more so now that I'm hearing he fought Ott. He was asking for too much in price but if Powe took in what was fair, I'd be happy to still have him.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:37 PM ET
i'm getting fed up with ovechkin
his team is so talented... they shouldn't be this bad

- 2Real


how about now?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:38 PM ET
Right, not saying he's a savior or anything. But I'd take him over Lilja and Walker. And obviously with all our injuries, it would be good to have him around.

It's that 20/20 hindsight thing.

- wolfhounds


I have no problems with Lilja.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jan 22 @ 2:39 PM ET
how about now?
- hammarby31

A Caps win works for us. It is NBC though. I expect the Pens to force OT.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 22 @ 2:39 PM ET
davegisaac Dave Isaac
#Flyers lines: Hartnell-Giroux-Schenn, Read-Couturier-Simmonds, Sestito-Talbot-Voracek, Shelley-Holmstrom-Zolnierczyk
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:39 PM ET
how about now?
- hammarby31

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:39 PM ET
I really, really liked Powe. Maybe even more so now that I'm hearing he fought Ott. He was asking for too much in price but if Powe took in what was fair, I'd be happy to still have him.
- Schenn2shine


I also wished they had kept Powe.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 22 @ 2:39 PM ET
I really, really liked Powe. Maybe even more so now that I'm hearing he fought Ott. He was asking for too much in price but if Powe took in what was fair, I'd be happy to still have him.
- Schenn2shine


Who would you rather have on this team, Powe or Shelley? Basically the same price, Powe just a bit cheaper.
Scottie Upshall
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Mike Richards snorted coke off
Joined: 07.30.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:40 PM ET
davegisaac Dave Isaac
#Flyers lines: Hartnell-Giroux-Schenn, Read-Couturier-Simmonds, Sestito-Talbot-Voracek, Shelley-Holmstrom-Zolnierczyk

- Jsaquella
hmm
Scottie Upshall
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Mike Richards snorted coke off
Joined: 07.30.2009

Jan 22 @ 2:41 PM ET
Who would you rather have on this team, Powe or Shelley? Basically the same price, Powe just a bit cheaper.
- stveshdy

Powe> Shelly
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:41 PM ET
(frank) Chara. He is about to get his today on the ice. The Flyers make a statement today against one of the best teams in the East.

Whatcha think?

- stveshdy


i think they come to play. i want that flopping fish hanging from a hook held by giroux.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 22 @ 2:41 PM ET
davegisaac Dave Isaac
#Flyers lines: Hartnell-Giroux-Schenn, Read-Couturier-Simmonds, Sestito-Talbot-Voracek, Shelley-Holmstrom-Zolnierczyk

- Jsaquella


Voracek on 3rd line? I can understand the Flyers trying to have some balance throughout.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 22 @ 2:42 PM ET
how about now?
- hammarby31

how about now?
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Jan 22 @ 2:42 PM ET
Who would you rather have on this team, Powe or Shelley? Basically the same price, Powe just a bit cheaper.
- stveshdy

I would rather Powe over Shelley just for his last name alone.
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