rask was so pissed today when gaborik scored the OT winner.
- hammarby31

I;m sorry I know he's got great numbers right now but to me he will always be the goalie that coughed up 3-0 series lead and 3-0 lead in game 7 of said series.

Right now, if I was Holmgren, I'm leaning towards not doing a Goddamned thing.
- Jsaquella

Agreed. Its highly unlikely the way things are going that the Flyers will have a healthy lineup, a trade would just be trading to try and plug a hole. If they can trade for a young player who they believe can be part of the future ok, please no rentals.

Right now, if I was Holmgren, I'm leaning towards not doing a Goddamned thing.
- Jsaquella

I don't think I'd do anything this year that is remotely close to a rental type of guy. I'd only do something that made sense now and years down the road, if it was the right deal of course.

Or at least make a deal on your own terms. There is time.
- MJL

Absolutely. If the Bruins are willing to beat my offer for Tim Gleason, then he can enjoy Massachusetts for a few months. No skin off my ass. No way I get in a bidding war with half of my top six forwards nursing injuries.

Absolutely. If the Bruins are willing to beat my offer for Tim Gleason, then he can enjoy Massachusetts for a few months. No skin off my ass. No way I get in a bidding war with half of my top six forwards nursing injuries.
- Jsaquella

I feel a guy like Gleason heading into Free Agency shouldn't be worth anymore then a roster player of his caliber straight up or a second round pick. If the Canes want a second rounder and an average prospect at best, that's as far as I go, otherwise, they've lost their minds.

Agreed. Its highly unlikely the way things are going that the Flyers will have a healthy lineup, a trade would just be trading to try and plug a whole. If they can trade for a young player who they believe can be part of the future ok, please no rentals.
- PLindbergh31

I'm fine with a rental, so long as it's a cheap one, or is a guy they might be willing to re-sign and keeps.

Absolutely. If the Bruins are willing to beat my offer for Tim Gleason, then he can enjoy Massachusetts for a few months. No skin off my ass. No way I get in a bidding war with half of my top six forwards nursing injuries.
- Jsaquella

this.

I feel a guy like Gleason heading into Free Agency shouldn't be worth anymore then a roster player of his caliber straight up or a second round pick. If the Canes want a second rounder and an average prospect at best, that's as far as I go, otherwise, they've lost their minds.
- Schenn2shine

That is the trade deadline. Teams that are desperate overpay for solid guys that can fill a hole.

Well, what if Briere doesn't return this season? Or JvR? Well that's 33% of your top six up front. What if Jagr's groin nags him the rest of the year...you aren't replacing that at the TDL.

I'm fine with a rental, so long as it's a cheap one, or is a guy they might be willing to re-sign and keeps.
- Jsaquella

If it costs the price of Ponikarovsky I'm ok with it. He's not great, but he's scored 20 goals four times, and when you take Cam Jansen out of your lineup and replace him with an eggplant it's an upgrade.

If it costs the price of Ponikarovsky I'm ok with it. He's not great, but he's scored 20 goals four times, and when you take Cam Jansen out of your lineup and replace him with an eggplant it's an upgrade.
- PLindbergh31

That's exactly the kind of move you make in the Flyers current situation. You traded a bag of pucks for a guy who can fill in the top 9.

That is the trade deadline. Teams that are desperate overpay for solid guys that can fill a hole.

Well, what if Briere doesn't return this season? Or JvR? Well that's 33% of your top six up front. What if Jagr's groin nags him the rest of the year...you aren't replacing that at the TDL.
- Jsaquella

We need D. We needed D a month ago. I'll say this, if the Canes want a second and Harry Z, my question is where do I sign? If they want anything beyond that for Tim Gleason, I hang up the phone. A second is a high pick as it is and Harry Z has a number of NHL games under his belt. Enough said.

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You also brought up this is a deep draft coming. That's a big offer in my opinion.

That's exactly the kind of move you make in the Flyers current situation. You traded a bag of pucks for a guy who can fill in the top 9.
- Jsaquella

yep. Who knows really how long Briere or JVR will be out. Concussions don't have timetables. If Holmgren can add a forward reasonably he might do it. Right now the Flyers are going to be playing without 3 of their top 9 forwards.

We need D. We needed D a month ago. I'll say this, if the Canes want a second and Harry Z, my question is where do I sign? If they want anything beyond that for Tim Gleason, I hang up the phone. A second is a high pick as it is and Harry Z has a number of NHL games under his belt. Enough said.

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You also brought up this is a deep draft coming. That's a big offer in my opinion.
- Schenn2shine

I would have probably been willing to go that high prior to the JvR & Briere injuries. Now? I wouldn't trade Harry Z.

yep. Who knows really how long Briere or JVR will be out. Concussions don't have timetables. If Holmgren can add a forward reasonably he might do it. Right now the Flyers are going to be playing without 3 of their top 9 forwards.
- PLindbergh31

That's why I can't trade a roster player right now. Say you move Harry Z in a Gleason trade. If JvR or Briere don't now you have to count on Shelley, Holmstrom or Wellwood in the playoffs.

Harry Z isn't really a proven NHLer, but he's proven more than Holmstrom or Wellwood.

We need D. We needed D a month ago. I'll say this, if the Canes want a second and Harry Z, my question is where do I sign? If they want anything beyond that for Tim Gleason, I hang up the phone. A second is a high pick as it is and Harry Z has a number of NHL games under his belt. Enough said.

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You also brought up this is a deep draft coming. That's a big offer in my opinion.
- Schenn2shine

Can't even afford to give up Harry Z right now. He went from a healthy scratch today, to all of a sudden playing in the top 9 for who knows how long.

I would have probably been willing to go that high prior to the JvR & Briere injuries. Now? I wouldn't trade Harry Z.
- Jsaquella

If Tom Sestito can continue playing like he did while he was here last, I think he should stick around. It's mind blowing to me that he hasn't already. With all this talk for sending Shelley down, I no problem with that if Sestito comes up as a main stay. Since that hasn't happened, I guess I'm okay with Shelley sticking around. In Sestito, you're getting a younger, bigger and more skilled Shelley. For me that exchange would happen quicker then I can reach for a beer.

That's why I can't trade a roster player right now. Say you move Harry Z in a Gleason trade. If JvR or Briere don't now you have to count on Shelley, Holmstrom or Wellwood in the playoffs.

Harry Z isn't really a proven NHLer, but he's proven more than Holmstrom or Wellwood.
- Jsaquella

I know. Robbing Peter, to pay Paul.

Can't even afford to give up Harry Z right now. He went from a healthy scratch today, to all of a sudden playing in the top 9 for who knows how long.
- PLindbergh31

Yes and no. We don't know where Harry Z will play tomorrow. Sestito has already played in the top 9 this season for the Flyers.

if things go a certain way tonight, the sabres could be dead last in the EC by tonight

If Tom Sestito can continue playing like he did while he was here last, I think he should stick around. It's mind blowing to me that he hasn't already. With all this talk for sending Shelley down, I no problem with that if Sestito comes up as a main stay. Since that hasn't happened, I guess I'm okay with Shelley sticking around. In Sestito, you're getting a younger, bigger and more skilled Shelley. For me that exchange would happen quicker then I can reach for a beer.
- Schenn2shine

Sestito is definitely more skilled than Shelley, but they worry about discipline. Sestito's been suspended twice in two different leagues this season, and both times were idiotic acts on his part.

During his call up, he did play solid hockey. But during the preseason, he was running around like an idiot.

At least with Shelley, you don't have to worry about him overpursuing and blowing coverage, or doing something that will make you short for 9 minutes.

Yes and no. We don't know where Harry Z will play tomorrow. Sestito has already played in the top 9 this season for the Flyers.
- Schenn2shine

So has Harry Z. Zolnierczyk has played a much bigger role for the Flyers than Sestito.

Yes and no. We don't know where Harry Z will play tomorrow. Sestito has already played in the top 9 this season for the Flyers.
- Schenn2shine

True. How deep do you want to dig down into the Phantoms? A trade of a forward and all of a sudden you have Shelley, and 3 Phantoms. That's a thin forward core.

The scary thing is all these injuries are piling up, it doesn't guarantee there won't be more. Would anyone be surprised if additional players were injured tomorrow? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'm almost at the point where I expect it.

So has Harry Z. Zolnierczyk has played a much bigger role for the Flyers than Sestito.
- Jsaquella

Z has played in the top 9?

True. How deep do you want to dig down into the Phantoms? A trade of a forward and all of a sudden you have Shelley, and 3 Phantoms. That's a thin forward core.

The scary thing is all these injuries are piling up, it doesn't guarantee there won't be more. Would anyone be surprised if additional players were injured tomorrow? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'm almost at the point where I expect it.
- PLindbergh31

Fair point.

Sestito is definitely more skilled than Shelley, but they worry about discipline. Sestito's been suspended twice in two different leagues this season, and both times were idiotic acts on his part.

During his call up, he did play solid hockey. But during the preseason, he was running around like an idiot.

At least with Shelley, you don't have to worry about him overpursuing and blowing coverage, or doing something that will make you short for 9 minutes.
- Jsaquella

Let's not forget Shelley was suspended in the pre season as well.