I'm sorry but I can't stand when the Flyers lose for 2 reasons. First because I always want to win but the second reason is listening how pathetic everyone here sounds. Who cares how many minutes Jody Shelley played, it doesn't matter. If Shelley has no effect on the game, then he had no effect on the loss tonight. Why not try actually talking about where the team went wrong as a whole?

Every single day, you all female dog and complain about something that isn't going to change and something that is completely out of our control. So why bring it up? Why even bother watching the games if it's going to give you something to complain about? You all collectively sound like a bunch of losers.

I'm sorry if this comes off harsh but my god. The team was bad tonight. Everyone throughout the entire line up. Bryz wasn't in the line up to blame and Jody Shelley barely saw ice time, so why not point fingers at the people who deserve to have fingers pointed at them?
- Schenn2shine

all?

They do battle consistency. But, rather than make it Weber or bust, you have to look at the entire picture.

If Weber's going to cost, for the sake of discussion, JvR, Schenn and 2 1st rounders, maybe Brent Seabrook could be had for less. Or pursue Ryan Suter as a UFA.

I want them to make the best deal possible, not just grab the biggest fish.
- Jsaquella

One of the biggest problems that is overlooked in a deal like this is, if your going to have a bunch of high Cap hit players such as what they already have, and add a Weber on top of it. Your going to need good young quality players on low Cap hit deals, or EL deals to fill in the roster. Well if you trade some of them, along with first round draft picks. That pipeline of young players is dried up. And your left with a handful of very good players, but the team around them is lacking. We see how that has worked for Nashville with Weber. Have they really challenged for a Cup? They have to avoid digging the hole that they just got out of. I can't blame anyone for wanting to trade for Weber. He's a great player. But there are ramifications.

Watch that game and see how bad it was, how could it be system related? personally, I don't favor the Flyers system. But this is beyond that.

I wish I knew how to imbed the picture on the Isles first goal scored by Moulson. Timonen has his man, Coburn picks up a late man. Go to the highlights and freeze it just as Moulson gets the puck in the dead slot unchecked. You'll see Jagr to the left of the net along the goaline on a nice cruise. Giroux skating behind the net looking at the Taveras. And Hartnell doing a nice outside turn completely away from the net. Not one of them turned around and tried to pick anyone up. Absolutely horrendous.
- MJL

The line should be broke up temporarily. There is nothing to lose at this point with the way they've been playing.

I dont think Weber has to be the guy but they need to make changes to this defensive core imo.
- stveshdy

They do need to address Pronger's spot, at the very least. We shall see what happens. Who knows, maybe the rumor folks on the web are right and they'll trade for Luke Schenn tomorrow or whenever JvR passes his baseline test.

I'm still more concerned about the team defense than just the defense corps, though. Look at the first Isles goal, for instance-MJL broke it down correctly. The forwards blew the coverage, not the defensemen.

Even most of the breakaways came when they had a forward on the point-on the PP.

Your rant was...

This is an open forum for people to talk about the Flyers. If want to talk about rainbow and butterflies and how perfec the world is, your on the wrong site.

Are you from Philadelphia?
- archion113

For the most part, your comments are meaningless babel. Look no further then the comment I'm responding to now. What does it matter if I'm from Philadelphia or not? Doesn't complaining about the same old thing ever get old?

Yes it did. But at some point you have to stop putting a forward at the point on the PP. Its not working.
- stveshdy

I don't understand why they would do that...

Let Mezy shoot.. Let Coburn shoot... Let Timonen shoot...

Don't let Carle shoot... but i do want him out for the powerplay... he's got good vision with the puck at the top of the point...

I'm sorry but I can't stand when the Flyers lose for 2 reasons. First because I always want to win but the second reason is listening how pathetic everyone here sounds. Who cares how many minutes Jody Shelley played, it doesn't matter. If Shelley has no effect on the game, then he had no effect on the loss tonight. Why not try actually talking about where the team went wrong as a whole?

Every single day, you all female dog and complain about something that isn't going to change and something that is completely out of our control. So why bring it up? Why even bother watching the games if it's going to give you something to complain about? You all collectively sound like a bunch of losers.

I'm sorry if this comes off harsh but my god. The team was bad tonight. Everyone throughout the entire line up. Bryz wasn't in the line up to blame and Jody Shelley barely saw ice time, so why not point fingers at the people who deserve to have fingers pointed at them?
- Schenn2shine

all?
- isaiah520

Apparently we all complained about Shelley and are losers. Who knew?

Giroux = 2g in last 15 games
Jagr = 4g in last 19 games
Voracheck = 3g in last 23 games
Briere = 6g in his last 23 games (one hatty in there)

Enuf said.
- rockychocbill

For the most part, your comments are meaningless babel. Look no further then the comment I'm responding to now. What does it matter if I'm from Philadelphia or not? Doesn't complaining about the same old thing ever get old?
- Schenn2shine

Its called Negadelphia for a reason man...

One of the biggest problems that is overlooked in a deal like this is, if your going to have a bunch of high Cap hit players such as what they already have, and add a Weber on top of it. Your going to need good young quality players on low Cap hit deals, or EL deals to fill in the roster. Well if you trade some of them, along with first round draft picks. That pipeline of young players is dried up. And your left with a handful of very good players, but the team around them is lacking. We see how that has worked for Nashville with Weber. Have they really challenged for a Cup? They have to avoid digging the hole that they just got out of. I can't blame anyone for wanting to trade for Weber. He's a great player. But there are ramifications.
- MJL

That's a good argument. The picks are what apply because Schenn and JVR have some healthy contracts. I would try and do the deal, but there would have to be another deal to replenish the picks.

- MJL

You realize he's talking about you too right?

They do need to address Pronger's spot, at the very least. We shall see what happens. Who knows, maybe the rumor folks on the web are right and they'll trade for Luke Schenn tomorrow or whenever JvR passes his baseline test.

I'm still more concerned about the team defense than just the defense corps, though. Look at the first Isles goal, for instance-MJL broke it down correctly. The forwards blew the coverage, not the defensemen.

Even most of the breakaways came when they had a forward on the point-on the PP.
- Jsaquella

What is the trade....is it seriously JVR and a 1st for Schenn?

What is the trade....is it seriously JVR and a 1st for Schenn?
- Just5

Oh god i hope not!

JVR for Schenn and a 1st i hope!

Apparently we all complained about Shelley and are losers. Who knew?
- eayost

Today we lost and so we're reacting as such. Losers. Yes, I said it.

They do need to address Pronger's spot, at the very least. We shall see what happens. Who knows, maybe the rumor folks on the web are right and they'll trade for Luke Schenn tomorrow or whenever JvR passes his baseline test.

I'm still more concerned about the team defense than just the defense corps, though. Look at the first Isles goal, for instance-MJL broke it down correctly. The forwards blew the coverage, not the defensemen.

Even most of the breakaways came when they had a forward on the point-on the PP.
- Jsaquella

In this specific game I would have to agree. But in other games, the defense turns the puck over too many times and can be very inconsistant at times. Their decision making is mind boggling for a veteran group.

One of the biggest problems that is overlooked in a deal like this is, if your going to have a bunch of high Cap hit players such as what they already have, and add a Weber on top of it. Your going to need good young quality players on low Cap hit deals, or EL deals to fill in the roster. Well if you trade some of them, along with first round draft picks. That pipeline of young players is dried up. And your left with a handful of very good players, but the team around them is lacking. We see how that has worked for Nashville with Weber. Have they really challenged for a Cup? They have to avoid digging the hole that they just got out of. I can't blame anyone for wanting to trade for Weber. He's a great player. But there are ramifications.
- MJL

That's a huge worry of mine. Say they can even get Weber for JvR, Schenn and 2 1st rounders-again for sake of the conversation. Now you need guys to step in and fill those roles, who are on smaller deals.

Sure they have Read and Couturier, but what happens when somebody gets hurt? Not every NCAA free agent has been Matt Read. The cost of adding Weber in terms of the assets lost has to be a factor in the calculations.

You realize he's talking about you too right?
- archion113

yes when you say all that has one meaning. Wonder how many pages of debate we can get out of that?

Today we lost and so we're reacting as such. Losers. Yes, I said it.
- Schenn2shine

I love this.. when we lose most of complain about the team...

You, however, complain about us when they lose.

I'm sorry but I can't stand when the Flyers lose for 2 reasons. First because I always want to win but the second reason is listening how pathetic everyone here sounds. Who cares how many minutes Jody Shelley played, it doesn't matter. If Shelley has no effect on the game, then he had no effect on the loss tonight. Why not try actually talking about where the team went wrong as a whole?

Every single day, you all female dog and complain about something that isn't going to change and something that is completely out of our control. So why bring it up? Why even bother watching the games if it's going to give you something to complain about? You all collectively sound like a bunch of losers.

I'm sorry if this comes off harsh but my god. The team was bad tonight. Everyone throughout the entire line up. Bryz wasn't in the line up to blame and Jody Shelley barely saw ice time, so why not point fingers at the people who deserve to have fingers pointed at them?
- Schenn2shine

The whole team was pretty bad tonight, that's for sure. The thing with Shelley is that he is not going to, ever, make a difference in the outcome of the game, so it's easy to bag on him. He's a distraction from the real problems on the team, and everyone knows that. He is pretty worthless, but he's not keeping himself on the team... Holmgren obviously owes him a lot of money from locker room poker games. Maybe everyone here just wants to know, for piece of mind, that if someone more effective were available (even if they played the same, limited role) that Shelley would be benched in favor of said player and not kept around from these so called "intangibles" that he provides.

In this specific game I would have to agree. But in other games, the defense turns the puck over too many times and can be very inconsistant at times. Their decision making is mind boggling for a veteran group.
- stveshdy

The same thing happens with the forwards. I see the whole team as culpable on most nights. For every bad clear by a defenseman, I can also see a half-assed back check by a winger.

I'm not saying that the defense doesn't have to start playing better, but it's not all on the defensemen.

I love this.. when we lose most of complain about the team...

You, however, complain about us when they lose.
- archion113

What do you mean we? I just noticed you for the first time this week and suddenly your speaking for everyone.

That's a good argument. The picks are what apply because Schenn and JVR have some healthy contracts. I would try and do the deal, but there would have to be another deal to replenish the picks.
- Just5

Listen, I'm not going to disagree with anyone who wants to trade for Weber. The guy is a monster on the back end. But there has to be a plan for the rest of the roster and there are ramifications to it. What would his Cap hit be? He's one player, just looking at him individually, that I wold be okay with signing a 10 year deal or so to have a lower Cap hit.

What do you mean we? I just noticed you for the first time this week and suddenly your speaking for everyone.
- Schenn2shine

Are you 2real?

That's a huge worry of mine. Say they can even get Weber for JvR, Schenn and 2 1st rounders-again for sake of the conversation. Now you need guys to step in and fill those roles, who are on smaller deals.

Sure they have Read and Couturier, but what happens when somebody gets hurt? Not every NCAA free agent has been Matt Read. The cost of adding Weber in terms of the assets lost has to be a factor in the calculations.
- Jsaquella

Honestly, I would never give up JVR, Schenn and 2 1st rounders for Weber. I would look elsewhere before making that trade.