Do you think I'm not aware of any of this? He's an NHL player and has been for 10 years. You may not like him, or feel that he should be on the team. I have no problem with anyone saying the League is changing and an enforcer is no longer needed, and the Flyers should move in a different direction with that roster spot. That is a viable opinion based on what's happening in the League. But don't hand me this horse poop about him not being an NHL player, or not being able to keep up with the play, or an of that other nonsense.
- MJL

To be fair he's just a fighter.... he's never been able to keep up with the play...

He's a fighter. Thats it.

611 games played.. 18 goals... 36 assists... -33

Do you think I'm not aware of any of this? He's an NHL player and has been for 10 years. You may not like him, or feel that he should be on the team. I have no problem with anyone saying the League is changing and an enforcer is no longer needed, and the Flyers should move in a different direction with that roster spot. That is a viable opinion based on what's happening in the League. But don't hand me this horse poop about him not being an NHL player, or not being able to keep up with the play, or an of that other nonsense.
- MJL

So when his contract is up you say he will still be in the NHL. Or what if he gets waived, another team will claim him?

I'm not in favor of Shelley being on the ice ahead of younger players but honestly, his cap hit is not hurting the team. if it was truly preventing them from making a move, I have no doubt they would do something about it. the only argument I have is it prevents them from calling up a kid to replace injured players because they are at the roster max and honestly, I would like to see a kid play over Shelley.
- nastyflyergirl

Only reason Shelley played was bc of Rinaldo being hurt. I agree that they should play younger kids in that role if possible (you would be lacking experience).

(gasps for air) Yea I think you lay a smack down on clutterbuck. If you're a good enforcer you don't neccessarily take him off his game but the next time he's got someone lined up he might take something off it.
- JoeRussomanno

Joe, c'mon bud! Are you telling me that if Shelley gets in his face, all of a sudden Clutterbuck is going to stop playing the way he plays every game all Season long, against every team? I wish it was that easy. The Flyers would never have to worry about getting hit on the ice.

To be fair he's just a fighter.... he's never been able to keep up with the play...

He's a fighter. Thats it.

611 games played.. 18 goals... 36 assists... -33
- archion113

I agree with this, and I was a Carter fan.
- Jsaquella

Couturier is going to be a pleasure to watch for years and years to come.

I really hope Voracek gets re-signed, he's been better then I expected. I didn't realize how responsible he was defensively. Once he's starts burying more pucks watch out.

Joe, c'mon bud! Are you telling me that if Shelley gets in his face, all of a sudden Clutterbuck is going to stop playing the way he plays every game all Season long, against every team? I wish it was that easy. The Flyers would never have to worry about getting hit on the ice.
- MJL

Eh, Shelley isnt THAT good of a fighter.

since they didn't lose, he wasn't the bryzard of oz. i seriously want to dropkick TP from the top turnbuckle.
- hammarby31

'so Bryz, why did you play so much better last night?' seriously? that's the question? i would have channeled my inner Ron Hextall.

crap I forgot I took down my emperor avatar.
- youarewrong

welcome back

The point is they traded and signed before they even talked with any other goalies. My point is that the market was so thin Vokoun could only get 1.5 to stay in the NHL. A better deal likely could have been worked out.
- jak521

The point is that they weren't interested in Vokoun. They wanted Bryzgalov. They identified a player and signed him. But you want them to have been intersted in a player that they weren't interested in.

Only reason Shelley played was bc of Rinaldo being hurt. I agree that they should play younger kids in that role if possible (you would be lacking experience).
- stveshdy

For not playing in 25 days Shelley played a pretty good game last night. He was physical and threw a couple nice hits. In the third period when the game was in hand he could have absolutely sent a message to Clutterbuck. He missed the boat in that regard.

Joe, c'mon bud! Are you telling me that if Shelley gets in his face, all of a sudden Clutterbuck is going to stop playing the way he plays every game all Season long, against every team? I wish it was that easy. The Flyers would never have to worry about getting hit on the ice.
- MJL

so what is Shelley's role then? Even if we can exactly define where the line of'running around' is, Clutterbuck was definitely over it last night. Clutterbuck plays a very chippy game, but that was over the top even for him. If the enforcer's role is to prevent that or change the course of action, and the game is 5-1, I would have expected Shelley to visit Clutterbuck at least once, even if not necessarily dropping the gloves.

All that being said, I can't remember if Shelley was ever on the ice at the same time, so it could have been Lavy just not putting Shelley in the best situation to succeed.

Joe, c'mon bud! Are you telling me that if Shelley gets in his face, all of a sudden Clutterbuck is going to stop playing the way he plays every game all Season long, against every team? I wish it was that easy. The Flyers would never have to worry about getting hit on the ice.
- MJL

No it's not gonna be that way for the rest of the season. But I was listening to Tocchet the other night on the post game show, not sure after what game, or maybe it was between periods. Anyway he was talking about guys "answering the bell" from what he was talking about when a player is playing that way or does things like Rupp did at the WC, there is a hypothetical fight bell being rung, and as long as FIghting isn't completely outlawed in the NHL, those are the times when someone needs to answer the bell. Because shelley is the appointed enforcer, when he's in the lineup, he needs to handle those duties im sorry.

So when his contract is up you say he will still be in the NHL. Or what if he gets waived, another team will claim him?
- jak521

He will be 36/37 so I doubt he will get another deal.

Whats wrong with that picture?

The fact that someone thinks that Shelley is capable of doing something for the team...
- archion113

Like I've responded many times before. You can respond this way, or you can make a point and state why you disagree.

crap I forgot I took down my emperor avatar.
- youarewrong

Whoa..... your take on 20 goal scorer Scott Hartnell sir?

For not playing in 25 days Shelley played a pretty good game last night. He was physical and threw a couple nice hits. In the third period when the game was in hand he could have absolutely sent a message to Clutterbuck. He missed the boat in that regard.
- PLindbergh31

That's my issue with even carrying an enforcer. A good number of out and out enforcers are simply not getting takers when they try to practice their craft.

Whoa..... your take on 20 goal scorer Scott Hartnell sir?
- PLindbergh31

ScottNosHockey

The conversations really do revolve around bryz/bob and Shelley.

Actually, I wonder if people are more concerned about Shelley's ability to help the team or changing MJL's opinion of him. Enough already..

That's my issue with even carrying an enforcer. A good number of out and out enforcers are simply not getting takers when they try to practice their craft.
- Jsaquella

I say eff it take a roughing or instigator in a game like last night, I'd rather have to kill off a penalty which probably leads to a goal then lose Briere, or Giroux for an extended amount of time.

He will be 36/37 so I doubt he will get another deal.
- funmaster18

So in a year he will go from being a 10 year and current NHL player to what? Realistically, right now today, if he were to go on the market I would bet my life he wouldnt land an NHL job, and Id be willing to bet he knows that as well.

I agree with you on this one...

Carter didn't have to face other teams top defensive guys because of the depth on our squad. From time to time he did, but he excelled at being a 2nd line center. I hate his game, and i'm glad he's gone, but i thought he was better than what he's shown in colombus
- archion113

Carter under John Stevens routinely checked other teams top lines, and was a solid defensive Center with the Flyers.

I say eff it take a roughing or instigator in a game like last night, I'd rather have to kill off a penalty which probably leads to a goal then lose Briere, or Giroux for an extended amount of time.
- JoeRussomanno

It doesn't have to be an enforcer to handle it, but if you have one, and he's dressed, he should. The game wasn't close, no reason that Clutterbuck wasn't asked to tango.

That's my issue with even carrying an enforcer. A good number of out and out enforcers are simply not getting takers when they try to practice their craft.
- Jsaquella

If Shelley has to take a misconduct in that situation so be it, take Clutterbuck off the ice. He was running around the entire game and didn't once have to answer for his actions.

So in a year he will go from being a 10 year and current NHL player to what? Realistically, right now today, if he were to go on the market I would bet my life he wouldnt land an NHL job, and Id be willing to bet he knows that as well.
- jak521

In 1 year many players go from NHL player to retirement. You may be right about that, but he's had a 10 year career for a reason. Is it dumb luck? I agree his time has come to an end in this league, but really, who gives a poop and why do we need to debate it every day?