Interesting question. I wasn't the biggest Carter fan, but to not recognize that he was a very good player would be silly. I don't think Couturier will ever be a 40 goal scorer, but I think he will be a much better two way player then Carter. He's better defensively then Carter is right now.
- PLindbergh31

I agree with this, and I was a Carter fan.

avatar is really throwing me off, big guy
- OrangeBlack27

His avatar is about right in the pecking order.... lol

I have to agree. It isn't in Shelley's job description to stop another player from hitting. Even if Shelley is only there to fight the fights our more talented and less tough players can't fight, it's a role none the less.
- Schenn2shine

You know when someone is throwing hits and someone is running guys.. Running a guy who is killing the last few seconds of the clock at the end of the 2nd period, behind his OWN NET isnt something you do. I was pissed just watching it last night.

I agree with this, and I was a Carter fan.
- Jsaquella

So.. If the Jackets offered Carter for Coots straight up?

prepare for the storm.. may god bless your soul..

I wouldnt make the trade. Coots is going to be a hell of a 2 way player.
- jak521

I can't believe in just over a week, Sean Couturier has put himself in a position to score 20 thus year. I'm really really crossing my fingers that JvR can come up with a speedy recovery. All these players who are expected to get 20 plus goals and the ones to take that next step to getting 20, I really hope they can all do it.

So.. If the Jackets offered Carter for Coots straight up?
- jak521

I wouldn't do it. But i'm probably one of the biggest Carter haters out there...

His avatar is about right in the pecking order.... lol
- youarewrong

crap I forgot I took down my emperor avatar.

I agree with this, and I was a Carter fan.
- Jsaquella

Sometimes its all about being in the right place at the right time. Finding a place that fits your skill set. I really believe that where you end up playing can have a factor to your success.

Ex: Playing in Detroit, Philly, Chicago etc

Then playing in Columbus, Minny, Phoenix.

Starting Leighton in game 6 was one of the biggest panic moves I have ever seen. I was amazed by that.
- PLindbergh31

lava put leighton in a horrible position, and i don't fault him for crapping the bed. putting him in relief the game before (he played well and they lost in OT) i can live with - but to start him? not good.

prepare for the storm.. may god bless your soul..

I wouldnt make the trade. Coots is going to be a hell of a 2 way player.
- jak521

Prepare for what storm? Was Carter ever one of the top PK forwards on an NHL team as an 18-19 year old?

Sometimes its all about being in the right place at the right time. Finding a place that fits your skill set. I really believe that where you end up playing can have a factor or your success.

Ex: Playing in Detroit, Philly, Chicago etc

Then playing in Columbus, Minny, Phoenix.
- stveshdy

I agree with you on this one...

Carter didn't have to face other teams top defensive guys because of the depth on our squad. From time to time he did, but he excelled at being a 2nd line center. I hate his game, and i'm glad he's gone, but i thought he was better than what he's shown in colombus

I wouldn't do it. But i'm probably one of the biggest Carter haters out there...
- archion113

Im not a huge Carter fan either but he still could put the puck in the net. By trading Carter they got two very young talented players (Couturier and Voracek), I would pull the trigger on that deal 10/10 times.

Prepare for what storm? Was Carter ever one of the top PK forwards on an NHL team as an 18-19 year old?
- PLindbergh31

No

You know when someone is throwing hits and someone is running guys.. Running a guy who is killing the last few seconds of the clock at the end of the 2nd period, behind his OWN NET isnt something you do. I was pissed just watching it last night.
- jak521

What's the difference between running and hitting players? Normally when a debate like this comes up, the same response comes up by many. "Let that player run our players, we'll just wait for him to get a penalty and score on the Power Play". It doesn't always work like that. Some Refs will let it go. Some Refs magically don't see things. Some Refs see these hits as legal.

Sometimes its all about being in the right place at the right time. Finding a place that fits your skill set. I really believe that were you end up playing can have a factor or your success.

Ex: Playing in Detroit, Philly, Chicago etc

Then playing in Columbus, Minny, Phoenix.
- stveshdy

Absolutely. Not only that, but even the system you play in. Coach to coach. The idea was that Carter would be the number center tha Nash needed. I personally dont think he is a #1 center (there are certain intangibles you need to have), nor the type of player that will make others better. He is what he is.. a dynamic big center with very good skating and a lethal shot.

must be a slow news day if he's writing about shelley.
- hammarby31

well Bryz didn't give him much. Panaccio was going on asking Bryz why he played so much better last night and Bryz wanted little to do with it.

So.. If the Jackets offered Carter for Coots straight up?
- jak521

no thank you.

i put leighton in a horrible position, and i don't fault him for crapping the bed. putting him in relief the game before (he played well and they lost in OT) i can live with - but to start him? not good.
- hammarby31

That's on the coach, not on Leighton. The guy started one NHL game the entire season, and he's thrown into an elimination game on the road? Insanity.

Yes I understand the game isn't that way anymore, well almost but we are in an agreement on the stage of the game. However the veteran insider/beat writer just contradicts that and says the guy is here for that purpose yet, he doesn't do it and is a 1.1 mill cap hit on a salary choked team.
- JoeRussomanno

I'm not in favor of Shelley being on the ice ahead of younger players but honestly, his cap hit is not hurting the team. if it was truly preventing them from making a move, I have no doubt they would do something about it. the only argument I have is it prevents them from calling up a kid to replace injured players because they are at the roster max and honestly, I would like to see a kid play over Shelley.

He took a chop at shelley right off that faceoff.. dont think he was too scared then..
- jak521

took a chop and briskly skated away. i don't give a care about shelley, but that occurrence at least made me wonder.

MJL he played 9 minutes in a 5-1 win. How many do you think he would have played in a 2-1 win?

He has played a whopping 15 games, and has played 74 minutes.. 18 of which came in 2 games. He is the clubs 14th forward.. He does an admirable job in spot duty, but wouldnt last anywhere near a full season.
- jak521

Do you think I'm not aware of any of this? He's an NHL player and has been for 10 years. You may not like him, or feel that he should be on the team. I have no problem with anyone saying the League is changing and an enforcer is no longer needed, and the Flyers should move in a different direction with that roster spot. That is a viable opinion based on what's happening in the League. But don't hand me this horse poop about him not being an NHL player, or not being able to keep up with the play, or an of that other nonsense.

well Bryz didn't give him much. Panaccio was going on asking Bryz why he played so much better last night and Bryz wanted little to do with it.
- wilsonecho91

since they didn't lose, he wasn't the bryzard of oz. i seriously want to dropkick TP from the top turnbuckle.

I'm not in favor of Shelley being on the ice ahead of younger players but honestly, his cap hit is not hurting the team. if it was truly preventing them from making a move, I have no doubt they would do something about it. the only argument I have is it prevents them from calling up a kid to replace injured players because they are at the roster max and honestly, I would like to see a kid play over Shelley.
- nastyflyergirl

That kinda ties into what i'm saying about his cap hit.

Depends on performance. We will find out whether or not it was a wise move. Jury is still out. Half a season doesn't make a 9 year contract.
- PLindbergh31

What's the difference between running and hitting players? Normally when a debate like this comes up, the same response comes up by many. "Let that player run our players, we'll just wait for him to get a penalty and score on the Power Play. It doesn't always work like that. Some Refs will let it go. Some Refs magically don't see things. Some Refs see these hits as legal.
- Schenn2shine

Running is hitting someone when the clock is at 2 seconds and there is no play being made but allowing the clock to run out at the end of a period, hitting a skilled player who clearly never makes contact with a puck. Finishing a check more than a little late.

That happened all night long.