I still dont get the hate for PAP. He has as many points as Patrick Kane, has more points then Marty St.Louis and has one less point then Kovalchuck. You put him on another team he will have even more points. Honestly defensively ok he gives the puck away but on this team that is the thing to do. I am happy he is an Islander and I hope they keep him around for a while. I credit him for making this power play better as well

Bailey will not get his 100th point this year playing with Rolston. The kid is not a great player and at this point is not even good. Hes just ok, but playing with Rolston makes him look terrible. It is unfair because Bailey and Martin are forced to kill penalties the whole game. Thats how bad Rolston is. No wonder Bailey and Martin became so much better defensively.
- mighty13duck

Bailey is alot better than you think. he is a very well rounded player. He isnt just going to do one thing right. His Pking is excellent and he is great passer. The issue lies in playign with Rolston. Rolston drags down any line he is on.

Bailey was putting up points every night when he was playing with Ullstrom. Skill needs some skill.

Bailey is alot better than you think. he is a very well rounded player. He isnt just going to do one thing right. His Pking is excellent and he is great passer. The issue lies in playign with Rolston. Rolston drags down any line he is on.

Bailey was putting up points every night when he was playing with Ullstrom. Skill needs some skill.
- Spartiarti

Seriously guy? Did you type this and not giggle after each sentence? Bailey only averages .25 PPG. One point every 4 games. Let's not blame this on who he's playing with again.

Does Rolston drag down a line, yes. But you can't put Bailey's ineptitude to score on Rolston.

kasper lets not get out of hand here. Isles are not even in playoffs. PAP deserves recognition but you are 100% wrong. if he were on another team he would be getting the playing time he gets here and in turn his points reduction would be reduced considerably.

Lets not get crazy here. You wont be playing PA over Kovalchuk or St Louis.

Seriously guy? Did you type this and not giggle after each sentence? Bailey only averages .25 PPG. One point every 4 games. Let's not blame this on who he's playing with again.

Does Rolston drag down a line, yes. But you can't put Bailey's ineptitude to score on Rolston.
- BringBackBalky

Bailey was rushed to NHL. Dont value him on last fews. Value him on his gameplay. His board play is strong. He makes great passes (most of which are missed by rolston and martin b/c they arent skill players. He has good speed. One thing he is guilty of is he thinks pass too much. he needs to shoot more.

Compare Bailey at this point his career to other guys in his draft class not named STAMKOS and let me know how it compares.

Bailey was rushed to NHL. Dont value him on last fews. Value him on his gameplay. His board play is strong. He makes great passes (most of which are missed by rolston and martin b/c they arent skill players. He has good speed. One thing he is guilty of is he thinks pass too much. he needs to shoot more.

Compare Bailey at this point his career to other guys in his draft class not named STAMKOS and let me know how it compares.
- Spartiarti

Okay.........tell me about these guys who were drafted AFTE Bailey.

Karlsson, Stepan, Del Zotto, Pietrangelo, Eberle, Myers, HAMONIC (wasn't he "rushed" as well)

kasper lets not get out of hand here. Isles are not even in playoffs. PAP deserves recognition but you are 100% wrong. if he were on another team he would be getting the playing time he gets here and in turn his points reduction would be reduced considerably.

Lets not get crazy here. You wont be playing PA over Kovalchuk or St Louis.
- Spartiarti

I am just saying people rip him to shreds and he has done a great job since coming here. He is this season comaprable to those guys. So I dont understand the hate. If he was playing with other guys mentioned in my comment he would put up even more numbers. He is putting those numbers up with the Islanders. He would be great on the Pens, Lightning or any other team. I mean he is not the best player int he world I get it but still

Okay.........tell me about these guys who were drafted AFTE Bailey.

Karlsson, Stepan, Del Zotto, Pietrangelo, Eberle, Myers, HAMONIC (wasn't he "rushed" as well)
- BringBackBalky

scratch Pietrangelo, he was drafted before

Bailey is alot better than you think. he is a very well rounded player. He isnt just going to do one thing right. His Pking is excellent and he is great passer. The issue lies in playign with Rolston. Rolston drags down any line he is on.

Bailey was putting up points every night when he was playing with Ullstrom. Skill needs some skill.
- Spartiarti

Bailey is not that good. And he hasn't done anything at the NHL level to make anyone say otherwise. You can't blame Rolston for Bailey's shortcomings. Bailey played three years in this league without Rolston being on his team and he did squat then. Bailey hasn't played with Rolston all season and during the times he has not played with Rolston, Bailey wasn't exactly lighting it up.

That being said, I see no reason for Rolston to play on any line other than the 4th. Bailey should be playing with Nino and Martin. PAP with Nielsen and Grabs. JT, MM and KO. Let Rolston play on the fourth line with Wallace and Pandolfo. That's where he belongs.

Okay.........tell me about these guys who were drafted AFTE Bailey.

Karlsson, Stepan, Del Zotto, Pietrangelo, Eberle, Myers, HAMONIC (wasn't he "rushed" as well)
- BringBackBalky

Carlson, Ennis, Henrique.........

Okay.........tell me about these guys who were drafted AFTE Bailey.

Karlsson, Stepan, Del Zotto, Pietrangelo, Eberle, Myers, HAMONIC (wasn't he "rushed" as well)
- BringBackBalky

Aside from Eberle, all those players either spent time in minors or play with skill players.

Myers has regressed btw, Karlson broke out this year, and Del Zotto was sent to minors to become a complete player.

Hamonic is property of isles and may be our single best find outside of first round in years. Hamonic not even close to his potential either.

My point is Bailey isnt a bust. Given up on him and trading him alway for nothing would be stupid.

Bailey was rushed to NHL. Dont value him on last fews. Value him on his gameplay. His board play is strong. He makes great passes (most of which are missed by rolston and martin b/c they arent skill players. He has good speed. One thing he is guilty of is he thinks pass too much. he needs to shoot more.

Compare Bailey at this point his career to other guys in his draft class not named STAMKOS and let me know how it compares.
- Spartiarti

Yes, he was rushed. But now, he's in year four of his career and he performs no better than he did in Year 1, when he was rushed. He has progressively gotten worse since the 2009-10 season. Each season since then he has scored less and played at a minus. So while he was rushed, he has done nothing since being rushed to warrant being called a good player. He's a average NHLer at this point. Nothing more.

Aside from Eberle, all those players either spent time in minors or play with skill players.

Myers has regressed btw, Karlson broke out this year, and Del Zotto was sent to minors to become a complete player.

Hamonic is property of isles and may be our single best find outside of first round in years. Hamonic not even close to his potential either.

My point is Bailey isnt a bust. Given up on him and trading him alway for nothing would be stupid.
- Spartiarti

Del Zotto spent a whole 11 games in the minors. Stop making excuses for Bailey. It's old now.

Karlson had 26 pts his rookie year, 45 his second and has 44 now. I wouldn't say he broke out this year. He's progressed each year.

Del Zotto spent a whole 11 games in the minors. Stop making excuses for Bailey. It's old now.

Karlson had 26 pts his rookie year, 45 his second and has 44 now. I wouldn't say he broke out this year. He's progressed each year.
- BringBackBalky

Stepan also never spent time in the minors.

Del Zotto spent a whole 11 games in the minors. Stop making excuses for Bailey. It's old now.

Karlson had 26 pts his rookie year, 45 his second and has 44 now. I wouldn't say he broke out this year. He's progressed each year.
- BringBackBalky

and Bailey had 26 and 36 points and was +5 on a terrible team in one of those years. My point is Bailey needs more confidence. Playing with rolston is not the way to get it.

Not every young player becomes stud. Drafts have shown that.

But Fact that we got Bailey, Hamonic, Ness Petrov and Martin in same draft tell you alot. Who would you rather have on your team. Just Luke Schenn or Bailey and Hamonic. If Bailey is bust in year 4, then what is Filatov.

I not giving up on Bailey b/c he not scoring 70points a year. Just like a few weeks ago I wasnt looking to dump KO either.

Bailey is alot better than you think. he is a very well rounded player. He isnt just going to do one thing right. His Pking is excellent and he is great passer. The issue lies in playign with Rolston. Rolston drags down any line he is on.

Bailey was putting up points every night when he was playing with Ullstrom. Skill needs some skill.
- Spartiarti

Bailey sees the game 1/2 step too slow. Everything around him happens faster than his comfort level and he hasn't raised his speed to match that. Yes, he has been a better all around player but we need more from him especially if he is going to crack a top 4 center on this team with Tavares, Neilson, Strome, Lee, Cizikas, Nelson in the system

kasper lets not get out of hand here. Isles are not even in playoffs. PAP deserves recognition but you are 100% wrong. if he were on another team he would be getting the playing time he gets here and in turn his points reduction would be reduced considerably.

Lets not get crazy here. You wont be playing PA over Kovalchuk or St Louis.
- Spartiarti

Disagree. Parenteau is a very good offensive player. He is proving he is a legit top 6 forward.

Stepan also never spent time in the minors.
- BringBackBalky

Hindsight is 20/20. You can go thru any draft year and say we should of and could of. All i know is their would be list of teams interested in having a Bailey on their team. Its like All the teams that passed on Kopitar in 05, or all the teams that missed out on Zach Parise.

Anyone here still upset that Comeau gone? There is big difference when guy has peaked or when guy has alot more to go. Bailey will find his grove.


When Bailey playing with guys with likes of Marian Gaborik, Richards (stepan), Roy, Vanek (Ennis) then we can talk.

Disagree. Parenteau is a very good offensive player. He is proving he is a legit top 6 forward.
- Isles316

I like PA, but he would not be a starting 6 players on alot of teams.

Bailey is alot better than you think. he is a very well rounded player. He isnt just going to do one thing right. His Pking is excellent and he is great passer. The issue lies in playign with Rolston. Rolston drags down any line he is on.

Bailey was putting up points every night when he was playing with Ullstrom. Skill needs some skill.
- Spartiarti

And what was his excuse for last year?

Also, Bailey had 6 points (2g, 4a) in 14 games that Ullstrom played in this year, not exactly putting up points every game.

Edit: That puts him at .43 ppg (rounding up) while he was playing with Ullstrom. His career totals of 99 pts in 255 gp has him scoring at a .39 ppg pace. I'm not sure I'd say that a .04 ppg increase while playing with Ullstrom is anything to write home about.

Bailey was rushed to NHL. Dont value him on last fews. Value him on his gameplay. His board play is strong. He makes great passes (most of which are missed by rolston and martin b/c they arent skill players. He has good speed. One thing he is guilty of is he thinks pass too much. he needs to shoot more.

Compare Bailey at this point his career to other guys in his draft class not named STAMKOS and let me know how it compares.
- Spartiarti

OK...here goes. Zach Bogosian has put up more points this season as a defenseman than Bailey has as a center. Jordan Eberle is on an over a point-a-game pace. Alex Pietrangelo...nearly twice as many points this season as a defenseman. Colin Wilson, over twice as many points as Bailey. Erik Karlsson...four times as many points as a defenseman. Luca Sbisa (!!!)...more points than Bailey. Del Zotto...over twice as many points as a defenseman. John Carlson...twice as many points as a defenseman. Heck, "defensive defenseman" Luke Schenn has more points than Bailey does this year.

"Regressing" Tyler Myers is 7 points behind Bailey for career totals despite Bailey having a full season head start and being a forward.

Those were just random people from the first round that I recognized from as high as 3 overall to as low as 27 overall.

Adam Henrique was drafted two rounds after Bailey and has three times as many points in his rookie season.

I'm not even that down on Bailey, to be honest. But I don't know where you get this stuff that he's beyond criticism or that he's better than even the folks in his draft class. As more of these guys break into the league, Bailey falls further and further down the 2008 draft pick ladder when it comes to actual production. I know a couple years ago people were saying he was a great pick because he had more career points than other guys who hadn't even started playing in the NHL yet, but the simple fact is Bailey has a loooong way to go.

I'm sure people will throw 2008 busts up there and say something like, "You see? Filatov wasn't good." Is that where we're setting the bar for our players though? Bailey should be a 45-50 point player by now, and he has not even sniffed that total yet, and will come nowhere near it this season. He'll be lucky to put up 10 goals and 30 points, and even that would require a dramatic pickup from his current pace.

Hindsight is 20/20. You can go thru any draft year and say we should of and could of. All i know is their would be list of teams interested in having a Bailey on their team. Its like All the teams that passed on Kopitar in 05, or all the teams that missed out on Zach Parise.

Anyone here still upset that Comeau gone? There is big difference when guy has peaked or when guy has alot more to go. Bailey will find his grove.


When Bailey playing with guys with likes of Marian Gaborik, Richards (stepan), Roy, Vanek (Ennis) then we can talk.
- Spartiarti

That's not what's happening here though. You said to compare Bailey to others in his draft class. You didn't ask us who we would have or should have picked instead. We're just pointing out that Bailey is nowhere near the top of his draft class in points this year, after you asked us to compare him. Heck, I would have picked Filatov in '08 based on what I had read, and I would have been wrong. But that's a different conversation than the one you initiated.

Hindsight is 20/20. You can go thru any draft year and say we should of and could of. All i know is their would be list of teams interested in having a Bailey on their team. Its like All the teams that passed on Kopitar in 05, or all the teams that missed out on Zach Parise.

Anyone here still upset that Comeau gone? There is big difference when guy has peaked or when guy has alot more to go. Bailey will find his grove.


When Bailey playing with guys with likes of Marian Gaborik, Richards (stepan), Roy, Vanek (Ennis) then we can talk.
- Spartiarti

God I hope one of them has a defensemen they'd be willing to trade!

That's not what's happening here though. You said to compare Bailey to others in his draft class. You didn't ask us who we would have or should have picked instead. We're just pointing out that Bailey is nowhere near the top of his draft class in points this year, after you asked us to compare him. Heck, I would have picked Filatov in '08 based on what I had read, and I would have been wrong. But that's a different conversation than the one you initiated.
- UIF

Speaking of the draft...Jacob Trouba please

I remember this board a few years ago right before the JT draft. Many on here were saying draft Duchene, tavares is overrated and can't skate. I was like NO WAY JT will be unreal and we need him more than anything. It seems it was the right choice. What a player Johnny is becoming. We should test his skills to the max. Put Rolston on his line. If he can get Rolston going he is the best in the league hands down. Of course this will be a huge test since Rolston is Rolston.