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XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 17 @ 9:22 PM ET
Yeah, but I doubt Snow drafted Nino 5th overall so that he can keep logging those 4th line, maybe 3rd line now minutes. They should use PA as trade bait, he'll probably walk in the off season anyway.
- wereallislanders



He'll get an extension with a nice raise.

XxNYIxX
XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 17 @ 9:25 PM ET
Nice win, Caps looked like cr@p thjou... 17 shots total?? Against THIS D?

XxNYIxX
wereallislanders
New York Islanders
Location: smithtown, NY
Joined: 07.19.2007

Jan 17 @ 9:27 PM ET
Nino needs to learn the D side of the game or he's should never sniff the top 6

XxNYIxX

- XxNYIxX

I'm sure he'll be in the bottom 6 for the rest of the year learning to play D, but I'd be shocked if Snow brings back PA to play him as a RW instead of Nino. I like PA, but Nino is a much better talent.
XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 17 @ 9:33 PM ET
I'm sure he'll be in the bottom 6 for the rest of the year learning to play D, but I'd be shocked if Snow brings back PA to play him as a RW instead of Nino. I like PA, but Nino is a much better talent.
- wereallislanders


Nino "Should" be a better talent.. the jury is still out if he will become such. But you dont dump a guy who is "doing" for a guy who "could". Plus its not set in stone that Nino, P.A. or Gremlin couldnt play the off wing.

XxNYIxX
Isles316
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island , NY
Joined: 01.15.2008

Jan 17 @ 9:45 PM ET
I'm sure he'll be in the bottom 6 for the rest of the year learning to play D, but I'd be shocked if Snow brings back PA to play him as a RW instead of Nino. I like PA, but Nino is a much better talent.
- wereallislanders


P.a. Has 39 points. Has any isles player done that besides j.t. Obviously since palffy? Yasmin once? You keep p.a.

Edit: 39 points in 44 games to start year
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jan 17 @ 9:54 PM ET
P.a. Has 39 points. Has any isles player done that besides j.t. Obviously since palffy? Yasmin once? You keep p.a.

Edit: 39 points in 44 games to start year

- Isles316

Have to agree. They can't afford to let pa go, no one else is scoring off the top line. NiƱo can play the third line until he's scoring at a pace that justifies moving him up
mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Jan 17 @ 9:58 PM ET
P.a. Has 39 points. Has any isles player done that besides j.t. Obviously since palffy? Yasmin once? You keep p.a.

Edit: 39 points in 44 games to start year

- Isles316

Moulson! But I agree PA needs to stay. Extend him now. If he does not want to be extended then you trade him.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 17 @ 10:14 PM ET
P.a. Has 39 points. Has any isles player done that besides j.t. Obviously since palffy? Yasmin once? You keep p.a.

Edit: 39 points in 44 games to start year

- Isles316

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mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Jan 17 @ 10:37 PM ET
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- eichiefs9

Next Isles coach?
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 17 @ 10:37 PM ET
Nice win, Caps looked like cr@p thjou... 17 shots total?? Against THIS D?

XxNYIxX

- XxNYIxX


Very hard to believe. You should get 17 shots a period against this D. Regarding PA I would at least see what kind of return he could bring back. I would not just give him away.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Jan 17 @ 10:38 PM ET
Next Isles coach?
- mighty13duck


This team cannot focus as it is.
mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Jan 17 @ 10:41 PM ET
This team cannot focus as it is.
- ses111

You are right she could be assistant with Weight and we will promote Rolston to head coach. Make DP the GM and this team can get rolling again. Oh and Make Reasoner the captain.
brodydog29
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 09.24.2011

Jan 17 @ 11:08 PM ET
Next Isles coach?
- mighty13duck


I'll buy season tickets now
brodydog29
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 09.24.2011

Jan 17 @ 11:11 PM ET
This team cannot focus as it is.
- ses111



Think of it the other way... Our boys see her everyday, try focusing if you're the other team?! And think about the refs perspective... Maybe we get an extra call or two
Isles316
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island , NY
Joined: 01.15.2008

Jan 17 @ 11:20 PM ET
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- eichiefs9


Haaa..
ISLES1119
New York Islanders
Location: LONG ISLAND!!!!, NY
Joined: 10.14.2010

Jan 18 @ 8:31 AM ET
If I want Isles to make few moves this year....I would ask for this

1) Trade for Bobby Ryan
2) Trade Nabakov for a pick or a player
3) Get a defenseman
Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Jan 18 @ 8:42 AM ET
it's a terrible option, and it's almost laughable that it's a better option than the current building. The brooklyn building if I remember reading correctly, was only going to be able to hold about 14k for hockey as it wasn't initially designed for it.

That being said, if it does become an option it may just mean that they remain a small market team, but with a better building and hopefully that would free up Snow to spend a bit more money and attract a free agent that doesn't come with a walker.

I'm predicting that tonight the Isles lose 4-1. The only goal will be moulson from JT and hamonic, extending JT's point streak to 10 games.

How he can be 9 points off the league lead in points on a team with zero secondary scoring is incredibly impressive. Every team knows all they have to do is stop JT and they haven't been able to do it. My only enjoyment watching this team finish off another wasted season is watching JT play. This kid has grown into a true NHL star and no one on this team works harder and plays through the abuse he takes every game. The fact that his talent is being wasted by the Isles is disgusting. Give this kid a team he can take to the playoffs!

- Isles_since_6

I don't see how anyone can say that. Its a great option. It may be an inconvenient one for some of the "fans" who occasionally go out to the games and support the team, but for the team, its a great option. The Barclays is located in the heart of downtown Brooklyn. I used to live five minutes from there. Seven subway lines and LIRR all run into Flatbush Ave and are walking distance to the Barclays. The team would be exposing itself to NYC corporate sponsorship, from companies who can't afford NYR tix or can't get access to them. They'll have a new arena capable of generating revenue to pump into the team. Money from an arena isn't made from the seats, its made from the corporate sponsors and luxury suites. The NVMC has neither. The Barclays will have both.

Would I like another alternative closer to LI? Sure. But Nassau County is not going to build the team a new arena and Wang isn't going to pay to build one himself, especially if he won't be sold the land by the County to build on. Queens is an option and may materialize, but right now, the Barclays may be the Isles' best chance of staying in the area.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 18 @ 8:55 AM ET
If I want Isles to make few moves this year....I would ask for this

1) Trade for Bobby Ryan
2) Trade Nabakov for a pick or a player
3) Get a defenseman

- ISLES1119

Only one of those will happen. Hint: It's not an odd number and it won't be for anything of particularly good value.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 18 @ 9:07 AM ET
I don't see how anyone can say that. Its a great option. It may be an inconvenient one for some of the "fans" who occasionally go out to the games and support the team, but for the team, its a great option. The Barclays is located in the heart of downtown Brooklyn. I used to live five minutes from there. Seven subway lines and LIRR all run into Flatbush Ave and are walking distance to the Barclays. The team would be exposing itself to NYC corporate sponsorship, from companies who can't afford NYR tix or can't get access to them. They'll have a new arena capable of generating revenue to pump into the team. Money from an arena isn't made from the seats, its made from the corporate sponsors and luxury suites. The NVMC has neither. The Barclays will have both.

Would I like another alternative closer to LI? Sure. But Nassau County is not going to build the team a new arena and Wang isn't going to pay to build one himself, especially if he won't be sold the land by the County to build on. Queens is an option and may materialize, but right now, the Barclays may be the Isles' best chance of staying in the area.

- Jethro09

Right now we can't even put around 14,500 in the Coliseum so I doubt we should be concerned with seating capacity. Let Wang and Prokhorov figure that one out. I'd rather stay in the LI/NYC area in a smaller arena than have to become a Quebec City fan.
Charlie21
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 10.14.2009

Jan 18 @ 9:58 AM ET
Right now we can't even put around 14,500 in the Coliseum so I doubt we should be concerned with seating capacity. Let Wang and Prokhorov figure that one out. I'd rather stay in the LI/NYC area in a smaller arena than have to become a Quebec City fan.
- eichiefs9


I've said this before, but I just don't see Wang being an tenant. I highly doubt he'd be able to make back his losses, let alone turn a profit. I think for this to happen, there would be a sale of the team involved under the stipulation that the new owner keeps the team local. Maybe Wang's at the point now where he wants to cut his losses, and a perspective new owner wants to test the waters at the Barclays Center in the preseason before they sign on the dotted line. This is all specuation, but I did hear that there's an ownership group (partially or fully made up of past Islanders) wanted to purchase the team. Heard it from one of the player's close relatives, albeit a couple of years ago.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jan 18 @ 10:18 AM ET
I've said this before, but I just don't see Wang being an tenant. I highly doubt he'd be able to make back his losses, let alone turn a profit. I think for this to happen, there would be a sale of the team involved under the stipulation that the new owner keeps the team local. Maybe Wang's at the point now where he wants to cut his losses, and a perspective new owner wants to test the waters at the Barclays Center in the preseason before they sign on the dotted line. This is all specuation, but I did hear that there's an ownership group (partially or fully made up of past Islanders) wanted to purchase the team. Heard it from one of the player's close relatives, albeit a couple of years ago.
- Charlie21


He's not going to "cut his losses." He keeps saying the value of the team is too low to sell. Of course it's his own doing. He is solely responsible for devaluing this organization to the point where it's worth less now than when he bought it, but he's already had offers on the table to sell and has turned them down. So the Islanders are essentially a hostage in a no-win situation. He says the only way he can make it work is to build Wang World, which isn't happening. Other local options have made public statements about trying to bring the Islanders there, but Wang has not even talked to them. And a couple of offers were made to buy the team but Wang won't sell. All of this is why I just don't see this ending any other way but a move off of Long Island altogether. Someone will pay top dollar to move the team to Canada, or wherever. Wang will say he tried everything to make it work, even though there were other options, the low attendance will give the league cover to say it's just not working here, even though the attendance is low because this franchise has been turned into a catastrophe on ice. And some new owner will be a hero for bringing a team to a hockey-starved market.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jan 18 @ 10:18 AM ET
I've said this before, but I just don't see Wang being an tenant. I highly doubt he'd be able to make back his losses, let alone turn a profit. I think for this to happen, there would be a sale of the team involved under the stipulation that the new owner keeps the team local. Maybe Wang's at the point now where he wants to cut his losses, and a perspective new owner wants to test the waters at the Barclays Center in the preseason before they sign on the dotted line. This is all specuation, but I did hear that there's an ownership group (partially or fully made up of past Islanders) wanted to purchase the team. Heard it from one of the player's close relatives, albeit a couple of years ago.
- Charlie21

Not a slight to you in anyway, but I know a ton of Islander fans (myself included) that hear these rumors from somebody "well connected" with their team. Last year I heard from an old coach of mine who has a close friend that is a sales executive with the Isles that a group of Hasidic Jews (or Rabbi's, something strongly related to the Jewish faith) were putting together an offer to buy the team and that it was going to happen "soon". We all want to believe good news like that but what it really is is a giant game of telephone, by the time it reaches fans like us that aren't directly tied into the organization, a story is probably so twisted and misinterpreted that it resembles nothing of what the original facts were.

I hope like hell that the game at the Barclay's Center attracts someone who wants to invest in or buy the team. I also hope that Snow/Cappy start all our best players. I doubt any investors are going to get excited in the prospect of spending hundreds of millions on our team if they're seeing Trevor Frischmon and Kael Mouillierat on our top line that game.
SCLI
New York Islanders
Location: Hockey Hotbed of the South!, SC
Joined: 09.17.2007

Jan 18 @ 10:20 AM ET
Nice win, Caps looked like cr@p thjou... 17 shots total?? Against THIS D?

XxNYIxX

- XxNYIxX


Isles did what they needed to do in order to win. On the other hand. The Caps did little to nothing in order to win. Considering their talent, their Salaries and their expectations. Caps are a bigger mess then US!

OV has become a thief. He's stealing his paycheck. What's become of this guy?

Jethro09
New York Islanders
Location: NJ
Joined: 08.16.2007

Jan 18 @ 10:27 AM ET
I've said this before, but I just don't see Wang being an tenant. I highly doubt he'd be able to make back his losses, let alone turn a profit. I think for this to happen, there would be a sale of the team involved under the stipulation that the new owner keeps the team local. Maybe Wang's at the point now where he wants to cut his losses, and a perspective new owner wants to test the waters at the Barclays Center in the preseason before they sign on the dotted line. This is all specuation, but I did hear that there's an ownership group (partially or fully made up of past Islanders) wanted to purchase the team. Heard it from one of the player's close relatives, albeit a couple of years ago.
- Charlie21

Thats the problem: Wang DOES want to be a tenant. In fact, that's all he is interested in. thats why he pushed the august 1 referrendum. He doesn't want to pay to build his own arena. Wang has no interest in buying the land from the county unless he can build the lighthouse. Thats why nassau is a pipe dream and the barclays is a possibility.
Charlie21
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 10.14.2009

Jan 18 @ 10:32 AM ET
Not a slight to you in anyway, but I know a ton of Islander fans (myself included) that hear these rumors from somebody "well connected" with their team. Last year I heard from an old coach of mine who has a close friend that is a sales executive with the Isles that a group of Hasidic Jews (or Rabbi's, something strongly related to the Jewish faith) were putting together an offer to buy the team and that it was going to happen "soon". We all want to believe good news like that but what it really is is a giant game of telephone, by the time it reaches fans like us that aren't directly tied into the organization, a story is probably so twisted and misinterpreted that it resembles nothing of what the original facts were.

I hope like hell that the game at the Barclay's Center attracts someone who wants to invest in or buy the team. I also hope that Snow/Cappy start all our best players. I doubt any investors are going to get excited in the prospect of spending hundreds of millions on our team if they're seeing Trevor Frischmon and Kael Mouillierat on our top line that game.

- eichiefs9


I get it, it cracks me up when people claim to have all this inside info, and I don't. My converstaion was a very laid back conversation with one of the perspective owner's fathers, who mentioned that his son (who is a very well-to-do former Islander) has a group that wanted to purchase the team from Wang. That was it, nothing more than that. I never really thought much of it because "Wang's World" was still a possiblity back then, so I just figured that it might have been a pipe dream of this group to own the Isles. It only just occured to me that maybe it's still in play with the possibility of a preseason game at Barclays. Other than pulling a "look Nassau, there are other options" move, I can't see any other reason why they'd do this unless someone other than Wang wants to test the waters. Wang's team playing as a tenant at the Barclay's Center is about as far from the orginal Wang's World idea as you can get. Don't see it happening.
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