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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:48 PM ET
He say that Reese told him to expect 60 games for Bryzgalov.
- tangent_man



That would mean Bobrovsky would only have 8 more starts the rest of the Season.
BaldRich
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kutztown, PA
Joined: 12.16.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:49 PM ET
I misread his line on cap geek...That's still more time than I'd be comfortable with. He did play well with Mike Green as his partner. I'd rather have a guy like Gleason or Beauchemin, who they can decide if they want to extend after the season, though.
- Jsaquella


True. rather have a D-Man to clear the porch.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 16 @ 5:49 PM ET
That would mean Bobrovsky would only have 8 more starts the rest of the Season.
- MJL


How many more games against the Jets and Hurricanes?
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jan 16 @ 5:50 PM ET
Laviolette said that Bryzgalov has gotten the majority of the starts so far and that isn't going to change in the second half.
- Jsaquella


Ya. Well Bob has already started 14 games this season. If they are saying the target number for Bryz is 60, that means Bob only has another 8 starts the rest of the way. Doubtful imo. My guess is it'll be more like 55/27.

EDIT: Leight
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:51 PM ET
Panotch saying Bryz will get every opportunity to be the guy on DNL.
- MBFlyerfan


You can actually watch that
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:51 PM ET
True. rather have a D-Man to clear the porch.
- BaldRich


That's the new slogan for the 2nd half. "Clear the porch".
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 16 @ 5:52 PM ET
Ya. Well Bob has already started 14 games this season. If they are saying the target number for Bryz is 60, that means Bob only has another 8 starts the rest of the way. Doubtful imo. My guess is it'll be more like 55/27.

EDIT: Leight

- rockychocbill


http://www.csnphilly.com/...blockID=632276&feedID=704

Well here's what Tim wrote about what Reese said.

Theoretically, he could still get 64 starts, but that won’t happen. The Flyers have six pairs of back-to-back games, so we’re really only talking about 33 games left in which Bryz can work. That adds up to 63 starts.

Reese thinks even that number is too high.

“I’d like to keep him under 60 so he is fresh and hungry and ready for the long grind of the playoffs,” Reese said.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:52 PM ET
WHy is everyone so up in arms about Bob not getting that many starts? Pelle Lindbergh rode the pine for a few years before he got the nod. The kid has time. He's a RFA after next season so the Flyers have all the leverage they need to keep him for another 3-4 years at which time they should know full well if he is what we expect. Stop trying so hard to will your fantasy clubs to a championship and calm down.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:53 PM ET
How many more games against the Jets and Hurricanes?
- Jsaquella

at least bob beat tampa where bryzgalov flopped like a fish
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:54 PM ET
WHy is everyone so up in arms about Bob not getting that many starts? Pelle Lindbergh rode the pine for a few years before he got the nod. The kid has time. He's a RFA after next season so the Flyers have all the leverage they need to keep him for another 3-4 years at which time they should know full well if he is what we expect. Stop trying so hard to will your fantasy clubs to a championship and calm down.
- JoeRussomanno


bob in a package for hedman makes too much sense
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:57 PM ET
at least bob beat tampa where bryzgalov flopped like a fish
- 2Real

Bryzgalov beat tampa too.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jan 16 @ 5:58 PM ET
True. rather have a D-Man to clear the porch.
- BaldRich


It's become hard to clear the porch in today's NHL. Refs call too many penalties for roughing or cross-checking on what used to be let go. Also, the types of defensemen that do it well -- the Derian Hatcher or Jason Smith types -- are often considered too slow to keep up with the speed of the game today against other teams' top scoring lines. If the Flyers went in that direction, the complaints would shift back to "this D is too slow."

Also, Coburn and Meszaros are pretty strong down low when they are on their games.

More than anything else, I think the Flyers need fewer turnovers on attempting clearing passes and consistent commitment to team D -- which is as much on the forwards as the defensemen.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:58 PM ET
bob in a package for hedman makes too much sense
- 2Real

If the Flyers can make a trade for a player that is more valuable than letting a young goalie develop into an elite, then ok. Otherwise I think they are best served by being patient with him as they did in the past with another Vezina winner.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 16 @ 6:02 PM ET
If the Flyers can make a trade for a player that is more valuable than letting a young goalie develop into an elite, then ok. Otherwise I think they are best served by being patient with him as they did in the past with another Vezina winner.
- JoeRussomanno


Or they can trade him for a guy who has been out with a concussion for two weeks, like Victor Hedman
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
It's become hard to clear the porch in today's NHL. Refs call too many penalties for roughing or cross-checking on what used to be let go. Also, the types of defensemen that do it well -- the Derian Hatcher or Jason Smith types -- are often considered too slow to keep up with the speed of the game today against other teams' top scoring lines. If the Flyers went in that direction, the complaints would shift back to "this D is too slow."

Also, Coburn and Meszaros are pretty strong down low when they are on their games.

More than anything else, I think the Flyers need fewer turnovers on attempting clearing passes and consistent commitment to team D -- which is as much on the forwards as the defensemen.

- bmeltzer


It drives me nuts when these guys play a great game and then two days later look like the 1992-93 Flyers running around.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jan 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/flyers-talk/post/Struggling-Bryzgalov-still-Flyers-No-1-g?blockID=632276&feedID=704

Well here's what Tim wrote about what Reese said.

Theoretically, he could still get 64 starts, but that won’t happen. The Flyers have six pairs of back-to-back games, so we’re really only talking about 33 games left in which Bryz can work. That adds up to 63 starts.

Reese thinks even that number is too high.

“I’d like to keep him under 60 so he is fresh and hungry and ready for the long grind of the playoffs,” Reese said.

- Jsaquella


Yup. Like I said 55/27. Or close to that.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
If the Flyers can make a trade for a player that is more valuable than letting a young goalie develop into an elite, then ok. Otherwise I think they are best served by being patient with him as they did in the past with another Vezina winner.
- JoeRussomanno

we have bryzgalov for 9 years bob will be what? over 9 when his contract expires?

too long to wait on bob when we need defense
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
Or they can trade him for a guy who has been out with a concussion for two weeks, like Victor Hedman
- Jsaquella

you wouldn't trade bob for crosby either
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jan 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
Yup. Like I said 55/27. Or close to that.
- rockychocbill


Yeah, I don't know waht was said on DNL, because I'd rather watch milk curdle
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:04 PM ET
It's become hard to clear the porch in today's NHL. Refs call too many penalties for roughing or cross-checking on what used to be let go. Also, the types of defensemen that do it well -- the Derian Hatcher or Jason Smith types -- are often considered too slow to keep up with the speed of the game today against other teams' top scoring lines. If the Flyers went in that direction, the complaints would shift back to "this D is too slow."

Also, Coburn and Meszaros are pretty strong down low when they are on their games.

More than anything else, I think the Flyers need fewer turnovers on attempting clearing passes and consistent commitment to team D -- which is as much on the forwards as the defensemen.

- bmeltzer


Your a Godsend Bill. I've trying to get this point across for days. You can't do what you used to be able to do. Your last paragraph is what needs to improve. You clear the porch in today's game by keeping the puck away from the front of the net.
BaldRich
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kutztown, PA
Joined: 12.16.2011

Jan 16 @ 6:05 PM ET
It's become hard to clear the porch in today's NHL. Refs call too many penalties for roughing or cross-checking on what used to be let go. Also, the types of defensemen that do it well -- the Derian Hatcher or Jason Smith types -- are often considered too slow to keep up with the speed of the game today against other teams' top scoring lines. If the Flyers went in that direction, the complaints would shift back to "this D is too slow."

Also, Coburn and Meszaros are pretty strong down low when they are on their games.

More than anything else, I think the Flyers need fewer turnovers on attempting clearing passes and consistent commitment to team D -- which is as much on the forwards as the defensemen.

- bmeltzer

They should have resigned Sean O'Donnell instead of getting Lilja but we live with what we get.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 16 @ 6:05 PM ET
we have bryzgalov for 9 years bob will be what? over 9 when his contract expires?

too long to wait on bob when we need defense

- 2Real

If you believe bobrovsky cannot supplant him as starter before that time and Bryzgalov will be here the length of the deal, I think you're underestimating the creativity of the Flyer front office.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:05 PM ET
It's become hard to clear the porch in today's NHL. Refs call too many penalties for roughing or cross-checking on what used to be let go. Also, the types of defensemen that do it well -- the Derian Hatcher or Jason Smith types -- are often considered too slow to keep up with the speed of the game today against other teams' top scoring lines. If the Flyers went in that direction, the complaints would shift back to "this D is too slow."

Also, Coburn and Meszaros are pretty strong down low when they are on their games.

More than anything else, I think the Flyers need fewer turnovers on attempting clearing passes and consistent commitment to team D -- which is as much on the forwards as the defensemen.

- bmeltzer

So, the focus comes onto the goalie then... and the goalie being able to stop the puck right?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:05 PM ET
They should have resigned Sean O'Donnell instead of getting Lilja but we live with what we get.
- BaldRich



Sean O'Donnell has been a frequent healthy scratch in Chicago.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 16 @ 6:06 PM ET
If you believe bobrovsky cannot supplant him as starter before that time and Bryzgalov will be here the length of the deal, I think you're underestimating the creativity of the Flyer front office.
- JoeRussomanno

you really think they're going to trade bryzgalov in 3-4 years?
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