"I have heard through sources, one of the “hold-ups” on Blackhawk trades recently is a desire to see what the team has in certain prospects.



This if true pisses me off to no end.

I understand getting off to a good start to the season can be the difference between making and missing the playoffs and that is usually better accomplished with more experienced players on the roster but come on. Could we really have been that much worse off (especially with the hot start from the big 4) with seeing what some of the kids could do had they have been called up earlier than they were? I am not talking about playing them every game or playing them big minutes, but sprinkle them in give them a chance. Instead we are trying to evaluate them now, in a time where other teams are ready to make moves for the same pieces we need.....cause we have to see what we have in these kids. Did anyone in management not know what we had in Scott and Bickell and to an extent Frolik? Also what we should have been able to reasonably expect from O'D and Lepisto?

The Hawks gave all the early minutes to guys that they knew might need to be upgraded and instead of giving an opportunity(even a small one) to the young guys to see if they could help the organization moving forward. Now they don't have an idea of what kids to keep and which to move, they are going through the evaluation process. That's a bunch of horsepoop. In this day in age you have to be ahead of the curve.

Again if true, it blows my mind that this is the garbage they are going to spew about not being ready to make a move as of right now.

"I have heard through sources, one of the “hold-ups” on Blackhawk trades recently is a desire to see what the team has in certain prospects.



This if true pisses me off to no end.

I understand getting off to a good start to the season can be the difference between making and missing the playoffs and that is usually better accomplished with more experienced players on the roster but come on. Could we really have been that much worse off (especially with the hot start from the big 4) with seeing what some of the kids could do had they have been called up earlier than they were? I am not talking about playing them every game or playing them big minutes, but sprinkle them in give them a chance. Instead we are trying to evaluate them now, in a time where other teams are ready to make moves for the same pieces we need.....cause we have to see what we have in these kids. Did anyone in management not know what we had in Scott and Bickell and to an extent Frolik? Also what we should have been able to reasonably expect from O'D and Lepisto?

The Hawks gave all the early minutes to guys that they knew might need to be upgraded and instead of giving an opportunity(even a small one) to the young guys to see if they could help the organization moving forward. Now they don't have an idea of what kids to keep and which to move, they are going through the evaluation process. That's a bunch of horsepoop. In this day in age you have to be ahead of the curve.

Again if true, it blows my mind that this is the garbage they are going to spew about not being ready to make a move as of right now.
- yobwoc03

+1

This, if true like you said, screams that Bowman really isn't prepared and is reacting rather than acting.

+1

This, if true like you said, screams that Bowman really isn't prepared and is reacting rather than acting.
- NewToHockey

Taking this one step further with having to compete with about 20 other GM's looking to improve their teams is Bowman going to be shrewd enough to pull off a deal before the other teams beat him to the punch.

+1

This, if true like you said, screams that Bowman really isn't prepared and is reacting rather than acting.
- NewToHockey

To contradict myself, we also have to take into account that Hayes and Shaw weren't the same players they are now back in October. From what I hear, they have really come a long way when given opportunities in Rockford that arose from injuries.

To contradict myself, we also have to take into account that Hayes and Shaw weren't the same players they are now back in October. From what I hear, they have really come a long way when given opportunities in Rockford that arose from injuries.
- NewToHockey

I agree, but I am not sure that Hayes (maybe, cause of his size) and Shaw are necessarily the guys other teams were asking about in trade returns. I could be wrong. I would guess it were some of the better know names (Morin, Pirri, Saad, Olsen, Lalonde) that other teams may have been looking for and if these are the guys Bowman is talking about, that's on him.

Kane's shift to the middle almost seemed like a trial from the beginning...something to fall back on if needed and not a go to long term fix.
- Al

In the early part of the season when it was congratulations all round about Kane's play at center, Q was asked if it was his idea and he said no, the credit belongs to Stan for coming up with that.

Kruger better be the answer in the #2 hole because acquiring the right center in a trade at this time of year would cost a small fortune and may not even be available.

"I have heard through sources, one of the “hold-ups” on Blackhawk trades recently is a desire to see what the team has in certain prospects.


i also agree this is a rediculous position for the hawks
trading prospects and possibly a draft choice for a proven nhl player should be an easy call for bowman
this team is close and only needs to add a few pieces
bowman got lucky with shaw and hayes who never figured into the formula this year
shaw shows that the draft is a crap shoot. if he was drafted higher would we be talking about his upside as a second line center instead of limiting him as a fourth line player

if buffalo is out of the playoffs what would they give us for kane? he is wearing out his welcome with me and i am a huge kane fan

In the early part of the season when it was congratulations all round about Kane's play at center, Q was asked if it was his idea and he said no, the credit belongs to Stan for coming up with that.

Kruger better be the answer in the #2 hole because acquiring the right center in a trade at this time of year would cost a small fortune and may not even be available.
- RickJ

I heard too many interviews from Edzo and even Kane which said to me Kane wasn't going to be playing center the second half of the year. Actually his numbers were probably better when he did play center.

Every position is important but the Hawks 3rd line seperated them from most teams...But so far the third line has been shaky and the second line is still a work in progress.

I heard too many interviews from Edzo and even Kane which said to me Kane wasn't going to be playing center the second half of the year. Actually his numbers were probably better when he did play center.

Every position is important but the Hawks 3rd line seperated them from most teams...But so far the third line has been shaky and the second line is still a work in progress.
- Al

Why not try Hossa in the middle with Sharp when he comes back?

Why not try Hossa in the middle with Sharp when he comes back?
- RickJ

My guess is he doesn't want to play center....The Hawks have never really used him at that position more than a handful of shifts.

I think they should put Hossa at the point on the PP....Keith can't hit the net.

My guess is he doesn't want to play center....The Hawks have never really used him at that position more than a handful of shifts.

I think they should put Hossa at the point on the PP....Keith can't hit the net.
- Al

Agreed. Twice they put him on the point in a pulled goalie situation and converted to tie games late. I have no idea why they haven't tried him up there on the PP.

Why not try Hossa in the middle with Sharp when he comes back?
- RickJ

Why not try Sharp at center? He was playing center on the cup team and he wasn't bad at it.

Why not try Sharp at center? He was playing center on the cup team and he wasn't bad at it.
- jhawk159

How much will a weak left hand affect his face offs?

Why not try Sharp at center? He was playing center on the cup team and he wasn't bad at it.
- jhawk159

Why not trade Sharp, Bickell, Lalonde, and a 2nd to Anaheim for Getzlaf and Beauchemin...problems solved.

Stalberg/Toews/Hossa
Hayes/Getzlaf/Kane
Frolik/Bolland/Shaw
Brunette/Kruger/Mayers

Keith/Seabrook
Leddy/Beauchemin
Hjalmarsson/Montador

Why not trade Sharp, Bickell, Lalonde, and a 2nd to Anaheim or Getzlaf and Beauchemin...problems solved.

Stalberg/Toews/Hossa
Hayes/Getzlaf/Kane
Frolik/Bolland/Shaw
Brunette/Kruger/Mayers

Keith/Seabrook
Leddy/Beauchemin
Hjalmarsson/Montador
- Ogilthorpe2

i do this in a minute even if it was kane instead of sharp

i do this in a minute even if it was kane instead of sharp
- molly2522

If it's Kane, you don't have to give up as much IMO, because he's younger and still has upside. Sharp is what he is, never gonna be better, and he's about the same age as Getzlaf. If it's Kane, because you give up on his youth, it's more like him and Lalonde, we keep Bickell and the pick.

If it's Kane, you don't have to give up as much IMO, because he's younger and still has upside. Sharp is what he is, never gonna be better, and he's about the same age as Getzlaf. If it's Kane, because you give up on his youth, it's more like him and Lalonde, we keep Bickell and the pick.
- Ogilthorpe2

bickell i want gone i think he is probably bad for this team along with kane due to his inconsistent play
who else can annaheim give us

Why not trade Sharp, Bickell, Lalonde, and a 2nd to Anaheim for Getzlaf and Beauchemin...problems solved.

Stalberg/Toews/Hossa
Hayes/Getzlaf/Kane
Frolik/Bolland/Shaw
Brunette/Kruger/Mayers

Keith/Seabrook
Leddy/Beauchemin
Hjalmarsson/Montador
- Ogilthorpe2

Not going to happen anyway but your offer is nowhere near good enough for Anaheim. Vancouver would trump your offer easily by offering Hodgson and Schneider for sure and probably a 1st and a prospect.

Getzlaf is a horse, you are offering ponies in return.

Why not trade Sharp, Bickell, Lalonde, and a 2nd to Anaheim for Getzlaf and Beauchemin...problems solved.

Stalberg/Toews/Hossa
Hayes/Getzlaf/Kane
Frolik/Bolland/Shaw
Brunette/Kruger/Mayers

Keith/Seabrook
Leddy/Beauchemin
Hjalmarsson/Montador
- Ogilthorpe2

I like this trade. Maybe the Hawks have to sweeten the deal with one of their better prospects instead of Bicks but picking up Beauchemin would also help on the back end not to mention getting Getzlaf.

Not going to happen anyway but your offer is nowhere near good enough for Anaheim. Vancouver would trump your offer easily by offering Hodgson and Schneider for sure and probably a 1st and a prospect.

Getzlaf is a horse, you are offering ponies in return.
- RickJ

Throw in McNeil or Saad, and make it a first round pick then.

i do this in a minute even if it was kane instead of sharp
- molly2522

easy on kaner, i think the problem with both of the kids, more kane the toews is that stan has been pulling his chain when it comes to finding a true #1 leftwing like andrew ladd and a #2 center for hoss & sharpie!
the word on getzlaf, while very talented, takes some nights off,could be because the way the ducks season is going. go back 4 years ago when they traded pronger, big mistake right there & no depth behind the big 3, basically a 1 pony show in anahiem. teemu & koivu are alittle long in the tooth and like we do here ,fans are probably clamouring for the past of those 2!now if murray wants to talk about picks & prospects without 10 or 88 in the deal, i'm all ears!
hopefully stan bowman is going to make a couple of significant moves to upgrade.
as far as the 2 kids , very unfair to put huge expectations and forcasts into the future as far as projections and who we need to re sign and /or trade. the kids need atleast a couple of times around the league to get a feel of their worth.
if we're making a run at it this year , beauchamin or gleason would be a nice start on the back end. up front, your guess is as good as mine, but people are wishing in 1 hand and crapping in the other to see which one fills up first if they think stans trading 10 or 88!
now #4 could be another story if that with a package of picks or prospects could land you a top tier center but highly unlikely.
if you could do a multi player deal ,say with columbus , would you take either vermette or umberger plus derreck brassard or jarred boll?
probably brassard over boll ? and what would howsan want back?
just a thought boys!
how would we look with vermette /umberger & brassard & beauchamin going into april 15th?

easy on kaner, i think the problem with both of the kids, more kane the toews is that stan has been pulling his chain when it comes to finding a true #1 leftwing like andrew ladd and a #2 center for hoss & sharpie!
the word on getzlaf, while very talented, takes some nights off,could be because the way the ducks season is going. go back 4 years ago when they traded pronger, big mistake right there & no depth behind the big 3, basically a 1 pony show in anahiem. teemu & koivu are alittle long in the tooth and like we do here ,fans are probably clamouring for the past of those 2!now if murray wants to talk about picks & prospects without 10 or 88 in the deal, i'm all ears!
hopefully stan bowman is going to make a couple of significant moves to upgrade.
as far as the 2 kids , very unfair to put huge expectations and forcasts into the future as far as projections and who we need to re sign and /or trade. the kids need atleast a couple of times around the league to get a feel of their worth.
if we're making a run at it this year , beauchamin or gleason would be a nice start on the back end. up front, your guess is as good as mine, but people are wishing in 1 hand and crapping in the other to see which one fills up first if they think stans trading 10 or 88!
now #4 could be another story if that with a package of picks or prospects could land you a top tier center but highly unlikely.
if you could do a multi player deal ,say with columbus , would you take either vermette or umberger plus derreck brassard or jarred boll?
probably brassard over boll ? and what would howsan want back?
just a thought boys!
how would we look with vermette /umberger & brassard & beauchamin going into april 15th?
- wonthecup10

kane is the poster child for soft play and would be very entertaining on a team not in the playoff race. if buffalo is out of it what would they give us for kane. i think kane might enjoy being back home and i would not miss him

kane is the poster child for soft play and would be very entertaining on a team not in the playoff race. if buffalo is out of it what would they give us for kane. i think kane might enjoy being back home and i would not miss him
- molly2522

what i would ask for is myers, gausted & ryan miller for starters, probably someone else going the other way and then we will re visit the 70's& 80's and kick ourselves in the ass as kane goes on to get 40&90 every year, just like we did with the phil esposito trade !

what i would ask for is myers, gausted & ryan miller for starters, probably someone else going the other way and then we will re visit the 70's& 80's and kick ourselves in the ass as kane goes on to get 40&90 every year, just like we did with the phil esposito trade !
- wonthecup10

or would we be celebrating a few more cups while kane just continues to celebrate

Is it time to put Kanes photo on a milk carton yet?