true, as of now id hope prongs can live a regular life. I could care less if he played another hockey game
- bigmookalookie

Exactly.

I'm still surprised that Panaccio expressed surprise at the "news" that he's still battling serious troubles.

Whe I read the report about the symptoms he was supposedly suffering, combined with him basically being kept completely out of sight, it spoke volumes to me.

Cases like Primeau and even Crosby, they guys were working out and staying fit. Pronger's been dealing with the kind of things Pat LaFontaine dealt with when his career ended-sitting in a dark room for days at a time because the light caused such bad symptoms he couldn't function.

The doctors Pronger saw are as highly regarded as any you'll find. If they say he wasn't playing again this year or the playoffs, they weren't pulling it out of their asses.

At this point, all I want to see is Pronger live a happy, normal life with his family. The thought of him possibly returning before Camp never even entered my mind for a second.

They didn't do anything when the Devils traded Malakhov to the Sharks, along with a 1st rounder.

All the team adding him would have to say is, if he can return, we're getting a Helluva a player for minimal investment.
- Jsaquella

Maybe, but I think a precedent was set as far as cap circumvention goes when they nixed the original Kovalchuk deal.

I still think the over 35 rule is flawed in the case of a guy like Pronger. Just let him retire if that's what's best (assuming he never gets better and all that), without the cap crap that come along with it for the Flyers. It's pretty obvious that any doctor the NHL could get to examine him what the reason would be.

You can even go into Renberg's abdominal troubles and Leclair's back troubles, it goes on and on.

- MBFlyerfan

And Thoresen's you know what

Maybe, but I think a precedent was set as far as cap circumvention goes when they nixed the original Kovalchuk deal.

I still think the over 35 rule is flawed in the case of a guy like Pronger. Just let him retire if that's what's best (assuming he never gets better and all that), without the cap crap that come along with it for the Flyers. It's pretty obvious that any doctor the NHL could get to examine him what the reason would be.
- eayost

I think that in a case like Pronger or Laperriere, where the player is forced to retire due to a single, traumatic injury, then the deal should come off the books. Neither one is a case of a guy playing through chronic injuries for ten years, they were guys that the Flyers were certainly counting on to play most, if not all of their contracts.

If the Flyers trade an asset for an asset, it's going to be hard for the NHL to step in and nix it.

Exactly.

I'm still surprised that Panaccio expressed surprise at the "news" that he's still battling serious troubles.

Whe I read the report about the symptoms he was supposedly suffering, combined with him basically being kept completely out of sight, it spoke volumes to me.

Cases like Primeau and even Crosby, they guys were working out and staying fit. Pronger's been dealing with the kind of things Pat LaFontaine dealt with when his career ended-sitting in a dark room for days at a time because the light caused such bad symptoms he couldn't function.

The doctors Pronger saw are as highly regarded as any you'll find. If they say he wasn't playing again this year or the playoffs, they weren't pulling it out of their asses.
- Jsaquella

I remember him back in the day in St Louis. Around that time there were crazy trade rumours about Lindros getting traded for guys like Tkachuk straight up. I always wanted the Flyers to use Big E to get Pronger. Pipe dream at the time but man could you imagine if we got him in his prime.

At this point I'd like to reiterate what mookie said. I hope he can at least recover and live a healthy life. I mentioned it on Panotch's thread too that he get word to Pronger telling him the fans just want him to get healthy and not pressure himself to play. I know prolly fell on def ears but I had to try.

Exactly.

I'm still surprised that Panaccio expressed surprise at the "news" that he's still battling serious troubles.

Whe I read the report about the symptoms he was supposedly suffering, combined with him basically being kept completely out of sight, it spoke volumes to me.

Cases like Primeau and even Crosby, they guys were working out and staying fit. Pronger's been dealing with the kind of things Pat LaFontaine dealt with when his career ended-sitting in a dark room for days at a time because the light caused such bad symptoms he couldn't function.

The doctors Pronger saw are as highly regarded as any you'll find. If they say he wasn't playing again this year or the playoffs, they weren't pulling it out of their asses.

At this point, all I want to see is Pronger live a happy, normal life with his family. The thought of him possibly returning before Camp never even entered my mind for a second.
- Jsaquella

100% agree. If the specialists are shutting him down for a year, that should resonate to everyone (clueless reporters included).

The big fella is done. Wish him well. Thank him for his service, esp. during the cup run which he was brought here to do, and we almost pulled it off with an AHL goalie.

Sounds crazy, but I wonder if a team like phoenix or Nashville would be interested in trading for him. Pronger would immediately retire after the trade.....theres 5 mil in cap taken up that the team doesnt have to pay out.
- Just5

There's precedence for a trade. It'd be interesting, and I imagine they'd want the Flyers to pony up a top pick to do it, like the Devils had to cough up to get rid of Malakhov.

I remember him back in the day in St Louis. Around that time there were crazy trade rumours about Lindros getting traded for guys like Tkachuk straight up. I always wanted the Flyers to use Big E to get Pronger. Pipe dream at the time but man could you imagine if we got him in his prime.

At this point I'd like to reiterate what mookie said. I hope he can at least recover and live a healthy life. I mentioned it on Panotch's thread too that he get word to Pronger telling him the fans just want him to get healthy and not pressure himself to play. I know prolly fell on def ears but I had to try.
- JoeRussomanno

Exactly. Get healthy enough to enjoy your kids. Revisit things if the issues clear up, if they get better, and the doctors feel that you're out of the woods. Not worth the risk.

100% agree. If the specialists are shutting him down for a year, that should resonate to everyone (clueless reporters included).
- Flyskippy

Maybe the reporters are just used to the Flyers jerking their chains on injuries-not without cause-and didn't realize that the doctors that Pronger went to couldn't care less if Pronger plays another second of hockey, all they care about is his life quality moving ahead

100% agree. If the specialists are shutting him down for a year, that should resonate to everyone (clueless reporters included).
- Flyskippy

I dont like Doctors.

i like the up-tempo, attacking style and i think you can play that way AND play tight inside your own end. flyers have yet to figure that out.
- hammarby31

Absolutely you can. The best teams do. Both Boston the Rangers do both. But you have to recognize when to play the offensive side of the puck. And when to play the defensive side. Under Laviolette, they always play the offensive side.

The big fella is done. Wish him well. Thank him for his service, esp. during the cup run which he was brought here to do, and we almost pulled it off with an AHL goalie.

Sounds crazy, but I wonder if a team like phoenix or Nashville would be interested in trading for him. Pronger would immediately retire after the trade.....theres 5 mil in cap taken up that the team doesnt have to pay out.
- Just5

A very interesting premise. But Pronger would never agree to it.

Absolutely you can. The best teams do. Both Boston the Rangers do both. But you have to recognize when to play the offensive side of the puck. And when to play the defensive side. Under Laviolette, they always play the offensive side.
- MJL

A lot of times, it seems to me, that they're either guilty of trying too do too much or guilty of not doing enough in their own end.

What I mean is, rather than take an easy clear, they're trying to force a high risk outlet pass. Other times, it's a simple fundamental breakdown that kills them.

A lot of times, it seems to me, that they're either guilty of trying too do too much or guilty of not doing enough in their own end.

What I mean is, rather than take an easy clear, they're trying to force a high risk outlet pass. Other times, it's a simple fundamental breakdown that kills them.
- Jsaquella

They go straight to panic mode at times in their own end.

A lot of times, it seems to me, that they're either guilty of trying too do too much or guilty of not doing enough in their own end.

What I mean is, rather than take an easy clear, they're trying to force a high risk outlet pass. Other times, it's a simple fundamental breakdown that kills them.
- Jsaquella

Do you see it getting better anytime soon? Obviously they can work on it at practice but it will never compare to game speed.

They go straight to panic mode at times in their own end.
- ob18

I agree. Panic mode is a perfect word. There is no calmness and thats when things go bad.

I agree. Panic mode is a perfect word. There is no calmness and thats when things go bad.
- stveshdy

They had played with a calmness at times, just not enough.

They go straight to panic mode at times in their own end.
- ob18

Turnovers and Puck managment. When your on the breakout, and it's not executed. It becomes a Chines Fire drill.

Do you see it getting better anytime soon? Obviously they can work on it at practice but it will never compare to game speed.
- stveshdy

It got bad really fast, no reason it can get fixed just as fast. Just got to have guys commit to doing the smart thing on a consistent basis.

Could a vocal leader help? Perhaps, but if they continue to have the kind of horrid injury luck they have had, they won't be able t o use loss of ice time as an effective deterrent to poor play.

Also, the sheer weight of the numerous rookies might be playing a role. Lot of times guys hit the wall offensively and defensively. Maybe part of the reason Giroux has been so poor in his own end is that he's trying to do everything himself.

Turnovers and Puck managment. When your on the breakout, and it's not executed. It becomes a Chinese Fire drill.
- MJL

Well let's say it's a badly executed chinese fire drill.

It got bad really fast, no reason it can get fixed just as fast. Just got to have guys commit to doing the smart thing on a consistent basis.

Could a vocal leader help? Perhaps, but if they continue to have the kind of horrid injury luck they have had, they won't be able t o use loss of ice time as an effective deterrent to poor play.

Also, the sheer weight of the numerous rookies might be playing a role. Lot of times guys hit the wall offensively and defensively. Maybe part of the reason Giroux has been so poor in his own end is that he's trying to do everything himself.
- Jsaquella

Thats probably the biggest issue. There are times when this team as a whole just seems to do things that are not smart hockey decisions. They need to be more consistent and committed to playing better defense.

They go straight to panic mode at times in their own end.
- ob18

Yep, and that's because the first mistake has a habit of snowballing. It's the same thing with Bryzgalov. Every mistake he makes, or bit of bad luck that visits him, ends up turning into 3 or 4 things because it gets in his head and he's doubting himself...being unlucky is one thing. Thinking that your are unlucky is a bastard, because you start to beat yourself up.

But getting back to the defense, the failed clear or turnover leads to the opposing team getting more time in the zone. Which leads to guys getting stuck in a high intensity situation for an extended period. Tired muscles and desperate thoughts can sink a ship faster than anything.

Thats probably the biggest issue. There are times when this team as a whole just seems to do things that are not smart hockey decisions. They need to be more consistant and committed to playing better defense.
- stveshdy

They have had stretches where they managed to do a good job. Then it got away from them, badly. It can be fixed, but they all have to pull together, have faith in the system and that if they make the "safe smart" play that the next line will get that great breakout pass and a goal.

Yep, and that's because the first mistake has a habit of snowballing. It's the same thing with Bryzgalov. Every mistake he makes, or bit of bad luck that visits him, ends up turning into 3 or 4 things because it gets in his head and he's doubting himself...being unlucky is one thing. Thinking that your are unlucky is a bastard, because you start to beat yourself up.

But getting back to the defense, the failed clear or turnover leads to the opposing team getting more time in the zone. Which leads to guys getting stuck in a high intensity situation for an extended period. Tired muscles and desperate thoughts can sink a ship faster than anything.
- Jsaquella

Not in the best taste right now

Well let's say it's a badly executed chinese fire drill.
- ob18

Well, my fire drill is over. Drove up to Philly, hit the academy of natural sciences so the kids could see dinosaurs, decided to go to Max Brenner's instead of Jim's or another cheesesteak place, and now, I'm tired as Hell..

Have a fun night boys.