ah, so your opinion should be the opinion of all, eh?

- FlyerGuy

Nope, it's common sense to know that adding a 4th line player, that averages 6:17 of icetime, wouldn't have had a huge impact on the overall team play of the Flyers in that game, versus having Harry Z in the lineup. You don't have to be Scotty Bowman to figure that out. No knock against Rinaldo.

Nor do I. But Suter is better than Carle. And if the difference is $1mm in cap hit, I lean towards Suter.
- Jsaquella

Right I like him a little better than Carle, but not as so he towers talent wise over him,
people can say that his numbers aren't great because of Nashville's system, but then again look at Weber

Everyone knows he's injured. And that is limiting his ice time, as well as his production.
- PLindbergh31

What is limiting Schenn and his ice time and production?

Right I like him a little better than Carle, but not as so he towers talent wise over him,
people can say that his numbers aren't great because of Nashville's system, but then again look at Weber
- puckhead17

Suter is an all star caliber defenseman. I think he is more than "alittle better" than Carle. I think your undervaluing Suter.

If Carle is going to command $5-5.5 and Suter at $6.5

I rather go with Suter for the extra million.
- stveshdy

There's a chance Carle can stay for a hometown "comfort" discount, he's moved around a lot & couldn't stick, I don't think it would be a disgrace for him to get the same contract as Coburn

You don't have to like him. Just saying that people keep trashing the possibility because they seem to think Luke Schenn isn't a good player. He is, and all indications are that the return would be Schenn, plus another player.

My preference is to keep JvR, too. But I'm not going to be unobjective over the possible return.
- Jsaquella

Depends on what the other wheels of the trade would be. Virtually zero chance it would be Kadri. If it were a Kulemin or MacArthur then it would be something to consider, I still wouldn't do it.

There's a chance Carle can stay for a hometown "comfort" discount, he's moved around a lot & couldn't stick, I don't think it would be a disgrace for him to get the same contract as Coburn
- puckhead17

If he signs for Coburn money, it's a no brainer to keep Carle.

Suter is an all star caliber defenseman. I think he is more than "alittle better" than Carle. I think your undervaluing Suter.
- stveshdy

uuuuuum
that's your opinion, all star caliber?

There's a chance Carle can stay for a hometown "comfort" discount, he's moved around a lot & couldn't stick, I don't think it would be a disgrace for him to get the same contract as Coburn
- puckhead17

Thats my problem. I dont think Carle is looking to sign cheap. If this were the case I dont see why the Flyers wouldnt sign him already. If he is as good as people think why wait and see how he plays?

Nope, it's common sense to know that adding a 4th line player, that averages 6:17 of icetime, wouldn't have had a huge impact on the overall team play of the Flyers in that game, versus having Harry Z in the lineup. You don't have to be Scotty Bowman to figure that out. No knock against Rinaldo.
- MJL

Who said he would have had a "huge impact"?


I said that the emotion and rambunctious play that Rinaldo brings is something that can help the Flyers, more often that not.

Flyers trade JVR for the Leafs # 6 dman yet?

(frank)ing comical some of these stupid rumors.

Leafs fighting for their playoff lives and L. Schenn is getting less minutes then guys like Aulie, Franson, and Komisarek. LAUGHABLE.
- PLindbergh31

Na we didn't trade one of our bottom 6 for there 6th dman yet

If he signs for Coburn money, it's a no brainer to keep Carle.
- Jsaquella

If they could do that they could also still sign Suter and trade Meszaros. The only issue there is that Suter isn't a physical defenseman, and Meszaros is. So I'd really like to upgrade over Carle with Suter.

uuuuuum
that's your opinion, all star caliber?
- puckhead17

So you dont think hes an all star caliber defenseman?

Depends on what the other wheels of the trade would be. Virtually zero chance it would be Kadri. If it were a Kulemin or MacArthur then it would be something to consider, I still wouldn't do it.
- PLindbergh31

I'd do Kulemin. That guy's a Helluva player.

If Schenn reaches his potential, he's going to be a 20-24 minute a night guy that plays in all situations. He's mobile, physical and has a good shot.

If you're hung up on JvR's potential, I agree that it's higher than Schenn's, but that's where the extra pieces would come in. It's not a case of wanting JvR to be gone, it's a case of seeing if Toronto will meet your price.

What if Burke offered Gunnarsson, Kulemin and a 2nd? No guarantee that Schenn is even involved.

Na we didn't trade one of our bottom 6 for there 6th dman yet
- griouxmvp2012

I think anyone who watches Flyers games realizes why JVR isn't playing in the top 6.

Who said he would have had a "huge impact"?


I said that the emotion and rambunctious play that Rinaldo brings is something that can help the Flyers, more often that not.
- FlyerGuy

And because it wouldn't have a huge impact, it would have made little difference in the game. Were going back in circles and are back where we started. The Flyers as a whole, are not a team that has a problem with grit, or meanness, or whatever you want to call it. There are games where they don't compete as hard as they should. But every team has that occasionally.

If they could do that they could also still sign Suter and trade Meszaros. The only issue there is that Suter isn't a physical defenseman, and Meszaros is. So I'd really like to upgrade over Carle with Suter.
- MJL

There's a lot of ways they can go. It will be interesting to see what happens.

If he signs for Coburn money, it's a no brainer to keep Carle.
- Jsaquella

absolutely but the Suter hype will have Homer looking elsewhere I'm sure, I don't think our D is that bad, I would like someone like Weber more so as what we lack is a Pronger like 10-15 goals rocket back there, but I don't think Suter over Carle changes our dynamic that much

I think anyone who watches Flyers games realizes why JVR isn't playing in the top 6.
- PLindbergh31

And people who watch Hockey know that sometimes young defenseman have ups and down in their development. And that one game, where a players minutes are down, doesn't define a player.

And because it wouldn't have a huge impact, it would have made little difference in the game. Were going back in circles and are back where we started. The Flyers as a whole, are not a team that has a problem with grit, or meanness, or whatever you want to call it. There are games where they don't compete as hard as they should. But every team has that occasionally.
- MJL

We must be looking at two different teams. I see a team that is sorely lacking meanness on the blueline.

My favorite path is trading for a cheap, solid replacement defenseman to stabilize what we have now, then try really hard to land Suter in the summer. If you get a guy like Gleason or Beauchemin, who will resign to a cap friendly hit, you could keep him and let Carle walk and go get Suter as a UFA.

I just don't want to see a bad trade made, regardless of who it brings in.
- Jsaquella

i agree, the only whole i see right now is another d, but who knows...maybe gutsy gets in there and does a great job to where homer will stand pat?

Everyone knows he's injured. And that is limiting his ice time, as well as his production.
- PLindbergh31

Injured to the point of being invisible most nights....what aboutblast season? The season before? Your in love with the potential and fail to see his been a big disappointment

If they could do that they could also still sign Suter and trade Meszaros. The only issue there is that Suter isn't a physical defenseman, and Meszaros is. So I'd really like to upgrade over Carle with Suter.
- MJL

No, again, now trade Mez?

I think the grass is always greener with some of our D men

I think anyone who watches Flyers games realizes why JVR isn't playing in the top 6.
- PLindbergh31

If he doesnt need surgery will his injury still be okay in your eyes? I think he is playing hurt, but many players are as well. Im not trying to dog JvR bc I think he is a very talented young power forward.

I'd do Kulemin. That guy's a Helluva player.

If Schenn reaches his potential, he's going to be a 20-24 minute a night guy that plays in all situations. He's mobile, physical and has a good shot.

If you're hung up on JvR's potential, I agree that it's higher than Schenn's, but that's where the extra pieces would come in. It's not a case of wanting JvR to be gone, it's a case of seeing if Toronto will meet your price.

What if Burke offered Gunnarsson, Kulemin and a 2nd? No guarantee that Schenn is even involved.
- Jsaquella

I like Gunnarsson, right now he's a better player than L. Schenn. Schenn may have a higher ceiling, but no guarantee he reaches it. I just don't want to trade JVR for anything less then a slam dunk return. I just don't see a reason to subtract from the core of the team, when a need can be filled through free agency.