I know Mr Snider has lots of money but if I was him and if Shelley was demoted to the AHL and the Flyers were paying 4 players NHL money to play in the AHL I wouldn't be please.that's about $5 million in salary right there, absurd. As it is they are at 3 players and around $4 million.

Again not a big deal just saying I'd be pissed if that was money no matter how much I had.
- Buts16

That was my point. You still have to pay him either way.

The League is rapidly moving towards that. Someone posted a link to an article that the League is going to look at eliminating staged fights somehow.
- MJL

good

I hate staged fights, two men about 240lbs smashing each other in the face to justify 3 minutes a game just does nothing.

Not to mention God only knows the long term effects.

Can they make his contract go away though? Each team has a limit to the amount of contracts they can carry, no? 50 or something like that? Why even waste a contract on him was my thought. I guess Homer had no clue the young guys would perform they way they have. But still, I'm sure there were at least 50 other guys he could have given a contract to over Shelley. Guys that play with an edge, can drop when required, and can actually skate without looking like their spine is fused together.
- rockychocbill

It had nothing to do with the young guys. It had to do with wanting an enforcer. And it has nothing to do with any player being a better player then Shelley. He wasn't competing with them for a spot. If it came down to who are the better overall players, Shelley wouldn't be on this team, and would've never been signed. They wanted an enforcer, and the chose Shelley. The landscape of the League has changed since then.

I know Mr Snider has lots of money but if I was him and if Shelley was demoted to the AHL and the Flyers were paying 4 players NHL money to play in the AHL I wouldn't be please.

that's about $5 million in salary right there, absurd. As it is they are at 3 players and around $4 million.

Again not a big deal just saying I'd be pissed if that was money no matter how much I had.
- Buts16

I think Snider has been around the game long enough to know that this is going to happen from time to time.

I know Mr Snider has lots of money but if I was him and if Shelley was demoted to the AHL and the Flyers were paying 4 players NHL money to play in the AHL I wouldn't be please.

that's about $5 million in salary right there, absurd. As it is they are at 3 players and around $4 million.

Again not a big deal just saying I'd be pissed if that was money no matter how much I had.
- Buts16

Well, I get pissed when the coffee machine at work gyps me a quarter. But Snider hasn't shown an inclination to care, as long as the team is winning. After the $3.2mm on Walker and Leighton, does he go nuts over another $1.1mm in Shelley?

I don't disagree with that. I'd be happier to have the contract slot. As for the money, I'm not signing that check, so it's immaterial to me. The only thing I care about is how it affects the Flyers cap wise.
- Jsaquella

I dont think the signing of Shelley destroyed this team or its cap space. I just think they could of used his money in a different area of need. Now we can debate that the "need" at that time was an enforcer.

It had nothing to do with the young guys. It had to do with wanting an enforcer. And it has nothing to do with any player being a better player then Shelley. He wasn't competing with them for a spot. If it came down to who are the better overall players, Shelley wouldn't be on this team, and would've never been signed. They wanted an enforcer, and the chose Shelley. The landscape of the League has changed since then.
- MJL

As far as skill set goes for enforcer types Shelley is actually one of the most skilled, I'm sure people will laugh but compared to the McGrattons and Mcintyres etc of the NHL he's a much better player.

Well, I get pissed when the coffee machine at work gyps me a quarter. But Snider hasn't shown an inclination to care, as long as the team is winning. After the $3.2mm on Walker and Leighton, does he go nuts over another $1.1mm in Shelley?
- Jsaquella

and $600,000 on Bart.

The thing is it's $2.8 next season for Shelley and Walker.

It's just a big waste of money and contracts IMO

I'd have to think that a guy like Gleason or Beauchemin, if acquired, would be approached to sign an extension. Both are early 30's fairly young, and could still have several solid years ahead of them. If it was a guy like Hal Gill, they might toss a year at him, but guys at his age would likely be rentals only
- Jsaquella

Agree Gill would be gone by seasons end

and $600,000 on Bart.

The thing is it's $2.8 next season for Shelley and Walker.

It's just a big waste of money and contracts IMO
- Buts16

It is, but it happens.

I dont think the signing of Shelley destroyed this team or its cap space. I just think they could of used his money in a different area of need. Now we can debate that the "need" at that time was an enforcer.
- stveshdy

Well, has spending that money on Shelley caused the Flyers to NOT sign a player? Like say a college free agent? Signing guys like Read, Testwuide, Gustafsson and Bobrovsky cost more than draft picks in the later rounds.

Snider has shown zero reluctance to cry poor if his GM feels that a guy fills a role. When he does, then how much cash Snider decides to pay guys will matter to me, outside of the salary cap.

As far as the need...I don;t think there was one.

and $600,000 on Bart.

The thing is it's $2.8 next season for Shelley and Walker.

It's just a big waste of money and contracts IMO
- Buts16

I agree. I will also take into account that almost every team in the league has a player(s) that they missed on.

and $600,000 on Bart.

The thing is it's $2.8 next season for Shelley and Walker.

It's just a big waste of money and contracts IMO
- Buts16

Bartulis has been hurt most of the season anyhow.

It is a bit of a waste of contracts, but the money isn't mine. If the guy spending it isn't complaining, why should I?

I think Snider has been around the game long enough to know that this is going to happen from time to time.
- MJL

Thing is Snider does whatever it takes to win. Gotta like that in the owner

Well, has spending that money on Shelley caused the Flyers to NOT sign a player? Like say a college free agent? Signing guys like Read, Testwuide, Gustafsson and Bobrovsky cost more than draft picks in the later rounds.

Snider has shown zero reluctance to cry poor if his GM feels that a guy fills a role. When he does, then how much cash Snider decides to pay guys will matter to me, outside of the salary cap.
- Jsaquella

Actually signing Shelley does affect the salary cap during that summer. His money took off $1.1M for a team that never seems to have much cap space. I dont think Snider is pissed about the signing bc you cant be perfect.

Does this mean JVR is staying

Does this mean JVR is staying
- ob18

As long as his head is wonky!

Actually signing Shelley does affect the salary cap during that summer. His money took off $1.1M for a team that never seems to have much cap space. I dont think Snider is pissed about the signing bc you cant be perfect.
- stveshdy

In the summer, teams can spend over the cap by 10%. Pretty sure the Flyers didn't miss out on somebody because they were 9% over and Shelley's money was the deal breakier.

Does this mean JVR is staying
- ob18

Where the heck did this come from? When they say JvR, they mean Talbot right? WTF!?

As long as his head is wonky!
- MJL

But he was all packed and ready to go to Toronto !

Bartulis has been hurt most of the season anyhow.

It is a bit of a waste of contracts, but the money isn't mine. If the guy spending it isn't complaining, why should I?
- Jsaquella

It's definitely a waste of contracts, and not a wise way to use resources, but it's not like the money is coming out of Snider's pockets. Flyers salaries are covered by team revenues. Snider is making money hand over fist. The Flyers made enough money over the WC weekend to pay for Shelley, Walker, Leighton etc. 10x over.

In the summer, teams can spend over the cap by 10%. Pretty sure the Flyers didn't miss out on somebody because they were 9% over and Shelley's money was the deal breakier.
- Jsaquella

Thats fine. But you still have to be under the cap when the season starts. Ill leave the signing alone, as I am going positive. Like I said nothing against Shelley more against why the Flyers need to carry an enforcer.

Thats fine. But you still have to be under the cap when the season starts.
- stveshdy

And so far, Shelley's contract has not prevented them from keeping a player they otherwise would have. When it does, that argument becomes valid.

Howard is a beast of a goalie, If Bryz played like that the Flyers would be a hell of a dangerouse team. Heres hoping Bryz gets into form

It's definitely a waste of contracts, and not a wise way to use resources, but it's not like the money is coming out of Snider's pockets. Flyers salaries are covered by team revenues. Snider is making money hand over fist. The Flyers made enough money over the WC weekend to pay for Shelley, Walker, Leighton etc. 10x over.
- PLindbergh31

Not really cause he was taking a big hit owning the Sixers who probably cost him big time money. Im sure he is glad to have sold them however.