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puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jan 14 @ 11:04 AM ET
Everyone here knows how big of a fan I am of Carle. I think he's a very underrated, and very under appreciated player here. And he is playing very, very well right now. But Suter is a significant upgrade over Carle.
- MJL



Yes, I know, you are a Carle guy, but again, it's opinion, (Suter over Carle), would I take Suter over Carle?, yes, probably, but I would have to look at my cap situation first

Weber is worth it, but Suter?, his numbers are the same as Carle's except for the 4 extra minutes in ice time, which can be made up by a little bit better #6 guy, (like Gus maybe?)
but Suter's numbers don't blow me away like Weber's, (it's not like Suter is a 15 goal, 50-60 point guy), Suter is going to get paid better than Duncan Keith, who I think, (again, opinion), is worth it as much as Weber.
But Keith is on a forever contract, so it's a little different.
Duran76
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Calmer than you are dude, PA
Joined: 07.25.2010

Jan 14 @ 11:05 AM ET
Looks like Gus is a go tonight.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...d=8233551531872558879-689
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 14 @ 11:10 AM ET
Looks like Gus is a go tonight.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...d=8233551531872558879-689

- Duran76


I really like the fact that Gustafsson is returning to the lineup tonight.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 14 @ 11:10 AM ET
Looks like Gus is a go tonight.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...d=8233551531872558879-689

- Duran76


Gus in and LOLja out.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 14 @ 11:11 AM ET
The Philadelphia Flyers have denied that the team is going to trade James van Riemsdyk to Toronto in a deal involving Luke Schenn.
Their denial is not terribly surprising. Although we wouldn't rule out this kind of deal happening and there are certain elements, such as Brayden Schenn's contract with the Flyers, that make this deal particularly appealing from a fan's perspective, we still haven't seen much evidence to suggest that either side is seriously considering this swap. If it happened, it would be a bold move between two teams that are battling for a playoff spot, but we wouldn't count on the two getting traded for each other or as part of some larger package involving both players.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 14 @ 11:15 AM ET
Yes, I know, you are a Carle guy, but again, it's opinion, (Suter over Carle), would I take Suter over Carle?, yes, probably, but I would have to look at my cap situation first

Weber is worth it, but Suter?, his numbers are the same as Carle's except for the 4 extra minutes in ice time, which can be made up by a little bit better #6 guy, (like Gus maybe?)
but Suter's numbers don't blow me away like Weber's, (it's not like Suter is a 15 goal, 50-60 point guy), Suter is going to get paid better than Duncan Keith, who I think, (again, opinion), is worth it as much as Weber.
But Keith is on a forever contract, so it's a little different.

- puckhead17


Contract is as much a function of the market place as it is how good the player is. Suter over Carle makes the Flyers a better team. It's a valid point of is it worth it. But if Pronger doesn't play again, and Timonen having one year left. Suter is much closer to being a top pair defenseman then Carle is.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 14 @ 11:26 AM ET
Didn't read through any posts and I may be way late on this but thought you guys may appreciate this like I did but did anyone else see this tweet (that was deleted) by Mike Richards?

So the NHL thinks we should all wear visors so why do we get penalized if we fight with them on? #whatajoke

(frank)ing hate him even on the Kings.. That is the dumbest logic I have ever seen.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jan 14 @ 11:30 AM ET
Contract is as much a function of the market place as it is how good the player is. Suter over Carle makes the Flyers a better team. It's a valid point of is it worth it. But if Pronger doesn't play again, and Timonen having one year left. Suter is much closer to being a top pair defenseman then Carle is.
- MJL



This is how I look at it:

Weber 15 goals 40 assists 55 points very physical 26 minutes $7.5 million

Suter 7 goals 35 assists 42 points not overly physical 26 minutes $6.5 million

Carle 5 goals 35 assists 40 points not overly physical 22 minutes $5 million

what? the numbers are approximates of what they've done & possible upside

this is where I don't see how Suter is so high over Carle that he would command that much more, (again, it;s all about the UFA, just ask Leino) but again, I don't see where Suter is only a million under Weber either.
I do pay the difference for Weber, but again, I wouldn't give Weber so much as to fuc% our cap up either, I just don't see the glaring element that Suter brings us that we are lacking, but again, it's opinion & preference.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Jan 14 @ 11:31 AM ET
Didn't read through any posts and I may be way late on this but thought you guys may appreciate this like I did but did anyone else see this tweet (that was deleted) by Mike Richards?

So the NHL thinks we should all wear visors so why do we get penalized if we fight with them on? #whatajoke

(frank)ing hate him even on the Kings.. That is the dumbest logic I have ever seen.

- mrhattrick27



Nice to see you in here again "Lundy"
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jan 14 @ 11:57 AM ET
Just chillin with my puppy drinking some coffee out of my Flyers mug, listening to some rock and roll and reading a Bill blog.

Great start to a Saturday

holla if ya hear me.

- Buts16

That is a excellent way to start the day, cheers mate!
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 14 @ 12:05 PM ET
This is how I look at it:

Weber 15 goals 40 assists 55 points very physical 26 minutes $7.5 million

Suter 7 goals 35 assists 42 points not overly physical 26 minutes $6.5 million

Carle 5 goals 35 assists 40 points not overly physical 22 minutes $5 million

what? the numbers are approximates of what they've done & possible upside

this is where I don't see how Suter is so high over Carle that he would command that much more, (again, it;s all about the UFA, just ask Leino) but again, I don't see where Suter is only a million under Weber either.
I do pay the difference for Weber, but again, I wouldn't give Weber so much as to fuc% our cap up either, I just don't see the glaring element that Suter brings us that we are lacking, but again, it's opinion & preference.

- puckhead17


Timmonens numbers are not overly high in points either but I would still list him as a better defenseman then Carle. I think Suter is another version of Timmonen (not saying Suter is better), imo.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 14 @ 12:09 PM ET
And the beat goes on.

NHLFlyers Philadelphia Flyers
#Flyers GM Paul Holmgren announced that James van Riemsdyk is out indefinitely with a concussion. FULL STATEMENT HERE: bit.ly/9UNv1R
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 14 @ 12:09 PM ET
Timmonens numbers are not overly high in points either but I would still list him as a better defenseman then Carle. I think Suter is another version of Timmonen (not saying Suter is better), imo.
- stveshdy

also would think that suter would have more pts playing for a much better offensive club.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 14 @ 12:10 PM ET
And the beat goes on.

NHLFlyers Philadelphia Flyers
#Flyers GM Paul Holmgren announced that James van Riemsdyk is out indefinitely with a concussion. FULL STATEMENT HERE: bit.ly/9UNv1R

- PLindbergh31


Im done trying to figure out injuries.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Jan 14 @ 12:10 PM ET
INJURY UPDATE: Flyers GM Paul Holmgren announced that James van Riemsdyk is out indefinitely with a concussion. FULL STATEMENT HERE.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 14 @ 12:11 PM ET
also would think that suter would have more pts playing for a much better offensive club.
- isaiah520


If it was me, there wouldnt even be a choice, as I would take Suter over Carle any day of the week (even if he cost $1-2M more).
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jan 14 @ 12:15 PM ET
well, Burke needs a center more anyway, so couts is really untouchable..,let me see...Danny, no, Claude, that's ridiculous, Brayden, but, but
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Jan 14 @ 12:15 PM ET
And the beat goes on.

NHLFlyers Philadelphia Flyers
#Flyers GM Paul Holmgren announced that James van Riemsdyk is out indefinitely with a concussion. FULL STATEMENT HERE: bit.ly/9UNv1R

- PLindbergh31

holy crap.
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jan 14 @ 12:21 PM ET
Don't know why, but I got a Butsy feeling on this one. Flyers really need the Giroux Tang Clan to get going tonight.
- Jsaquella


Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jan 14 @ 12:22 PM ET
This is how I look at it:

Weber 15 goals 40 assists 55 points very physical 26 minutes $7.5 million

Suter 7 goals 35 assists 42 points not overly physical 26 minutes $6.5 million

Carle 5 goals 35 assists 40 points not overly physical 22 minutes $5 million

what? the numbers are approximates of what they've done & possible upside

this is where I don't see how Suter is so high over Carle that he would command that much more, (again, it;s all about the UFA, just ask Leino) but again, I don't see where Suter is only a million under Weber either.
I do pay the difference for Weber, but again, I wouldn't give Weber so much as to fuc% our cap up either, I just don't see the glaring element that Suter brings us that we are lacking, but again, it's opinion & preference.

- puckhead17

I think Suter would put way more points up in Philly than he does in Nashville.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 14 @ 12:22 PM ET
Don't know if this has already been posted, but interesting read on Bob vs Bryz.

http://bleacherreport.com...-hollow-fradulent-numbers

I don't necessarily agree with the whole thing, cause I do beleive Bob has been solid, but there is merit to the idea that letting Bryz start vs some weaker opponents to gain some confidence.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 14 @ 12:22 PM ET
Remember when I said JVR isn't getting traded..................

I think the concussion all but takes him out of these ridiculous trade talks
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jan 14 @ 12:23 PM ET
INJURY UPDATE: Flyers GM Paul Holmgren announced that James van Riemsdyk is out indefinitely with a concussion. FULL STATEMENT HERE.
- Buzzo

....................................................
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jan 14 @ 12:23 PM ET
Just chillin with my puppy drinking some coffee out of my Flyers mug, listening to some rock and roll and reading a Bill blog.

Great start to a Saturday

holla if ya hear me.

- Buts16


probably my favorite christmas gift
rockychocbill
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Off Season
Joined: 07.04.2008

Jan 14 @ 12:25 PM ET
Gus in and LOLja out.
- PLindbergh31


Very interested in seeing what he can bring.
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