To be honest jvr wasn't really playing that great before he got hurt If your hurt that bad maybe you shouldn't play. To me he plays like a sissy lol he's a big dude and he doest use that to his advantage
- griouxmvp2012

Jagr has never been a physical player. He's bigger and stronger than JvR and I don't hear people complaining about him. When JvR scores no one complains. When he doesn't he's a sissy.

That is a good point, but, again, Nashville plays all 5 in the zone deep, who knows, Carle may be able to play 25 minutes a game in that system.

In a tight defensive system a 20 minute guy can probably play more minutes like 25.
We play more go go go & 25 minute D men in this system can be way different on your legs
- puckhead17

I don't really see it as a function of a system. I think it's more about the true capabilities of the players. Carle is a bit overextended playing 25 a game.

Every player has bumps and bruises no doubt, but I don't think a huge % of players play through injuries that require surgery. I give JVR credit for trying to gut it out. I would prefer he get the surgery now, and come back later in the season, but I'm thinking the time frame wouldn't allow him to return this year.
- PLindbergh31

Maybe I missed something. JvR does need surgery? I thought Homer said his injury didnt require surgery?

I agree and if you read what I posted I said that since Suter isn't a physical player, and if they keep both Carle and sign Suter, and trade Meszaros, it would take away from the physical aspect of the defense. So hence I said I'd rather upgrade on Carle with Suter.
- MJL

I don't think (just opinion), Suter again is a tower over Carle see my other post about playing more minutes compared to what type a system a team plays

Jagr has never been a physical player. He's bigger and stronger than JvR and I don't hear people complaining about him. When JvR scores no one complains. When he doesn't he's a sissy.
- Dkos

Comparing jäger to jvr is a joke

Maybe I missed something. JvR does need surgery? I thought Homer said his injury didnt require surgery?
- stveshdy

I think you are being facetious right? The Holmgren that said Pronger had a virus? That Holmgren?

I think the Flyers need a Sean O'Donnell type. Maybe not sooo old, but a solid veteran defensive dman who is also a leader.

Really cuz I didn't even notice he was on the ice half the time putting up points is not what it's all about
- griouxmvp2012

I can't help that you didn't notice how he was playing before he got hurt. You don't produce points at that pace by accident.

I don't really see it as a function of a system. I think it's more about the true capabilities of the players. Carle is a bit overextended playing 25 a game.
- MJL

yeh, it has more to it than you think, remember in the Devils system D men could play more minutes, as they didn't play up tempo
that wears you, remember Jagr said (against Tampa) he could play 60 minutes like that
Nashville's D men get a ton of assistance from the forwards, no up tempo, means fresher legs it's debatable,

Jagr has never been a physical player. He's bigger and stronger than JvR and I don't hear people complaining about him. When JvR scores no one complains. When he doesn't he's a sissy.
- Dkos

I think its bc JvR was the 2nd overall pick. When you watch other players getting drafted that high step in and play people get frustrated with his performance. It is obviously taking him alittle longer to adjust to the NHL game. I still think he is a very talented player, being patient is something people have a hard time doing.

Jagr has never been a physical player. He's bigger and stronger than JvR and I don't hear people complaining about him. When JvR scores no one complains. When he doesn't he's a sissy.
- Dkos

Jagr is not a power forward and he's 40 lol. O yea and he's a lock for the hof

I think the Flyers need a Sean O'Donnell type. Maybe not sooo old, but a solid veteran defensive dman who is also a leader.
- Dkos

Near the deadline there will be a bunch of veteran dmen available. No rush right now to make a desperation move. Flyers are near the top of the standings. Gustafsson is going to play tonight, perhaps he gives them a boost. He surely will be an improvement over the turnstile that wears # 6.

Comparing jäger to jvr is a joke
- Philly1980

why? They're both big wingers that don't play an aggressive physical game and can score lots of goals.

I think you are being facetious right? The Holmgren that said Pronger had a virus? That Holmgren?
- PLindbergh31

Homer never lies.

If JvR is only playing 10-12mins a night and he was suppose to be one of the reasons you traded Richards and Carter, than I would think he has a serious injury holding him back.

yeh, it has more to it than you think, remember in the Devils system D men could play more minutes, as they didn't play up tempo
that wears you, remember Jagr said (against Tampa) he could play 60 minutes like that
Nashville's D men get a ton of assistance from the forwards, no up tempo, means fresher legs it's debatable,
- puckhead17

I know systems inside and out. There's a big difference between forwards and defenseman. I disagree that it has anything to do with systems. In my opinion, Carle isn't a 25 minute a game player in any system. He can do it if he has too, but it's not a good long term thing.

Homer never lies.

If JvR is only playing 10-12mins a night and he was suppose to be one of the reasons you traded Richards and Carter, than I would think he has a serious injury holding him back.
- stveshdy

Bill said torn abdominal & hip that needs an operation, he's hurt

Homer never lies.

If JvR is only playing 10-12mins a night and he was suppose to be one of the reasons you traded Richards and Carter, than I would think he has a serious injury holding him back.
- stveshdy

No question about it. JVR will be a solid player for the Flyers for years to come.

Bill said torn abdominal & hip that needs an operation, he's hurt
- puckhead17

He should get the surgery then. He really isnt providing you with much at this point. There is noway he should be getting 10-12 mins a night. I give JvR alot of credit for trying to help the team but its not best for him or the team, imo.

why? They're both big wingers that don't play an aggressive physical game and can score lots of goals.
- Dkos

I hear jagrs name every time he's on the ice jvr most of the time I don't know if he's playing or not

I know systems inside and out. There's a big difference between forwards and defenseman. I disagree that it has anything to do with systems. In my opinion, Carle isn't a 25 minute a game player in any system. He can do it if he has too, but it's not a good long term thing.
- MJL

I don't think Carle is a 25 minute guy either, but I like our top 4, if they are to "blow up" you do it for Weber in my opinion, as he's the dynamic we're lacking, Suter really doesn't bring us anything that we don't already have, except $2 million more to our cap

Saying Suter over Carle is preference, it's not the Bible.

Near the deadline there will be a bunch of veteran dmen available. No rush right now to make a desperation move. Flyers are near the top of the standings. Gustafsson is going to play tonight, perhaps he gives them a boost. He surely will be an improvement over the turnstile that wears # 6.
- PLindbergh31

I read many comments about Lilja being a turnstyle or whatever. And when I reply with the facts, no one offers facts to prove it. Lilja has played 30 games. And out of those 30 games, he has been a minus player for 8 games, out of 30. So how exactly is he a turnstyle. I'd like to here some facts that point to him being a turnstyle.

He should get the surgery then. He really isnt providing you with much at this point. There is noway he should be getting 10-12 mins a night. I give JvR alot of credit for trying to help the team but its not best for him or the team, imo.
- stveshdy

Totally agreed, I can't watch him play that way, outside of G going to the next level, his next level is what I wanted to see more

I don't think Carle is a 25 minute guy either, but I like our top 4, if they are to "blow up" you do it for Weber in my opinion, as he's the dynamic we're lacking, Suter really doesn't bring us anything that we don't already have, except $2 million more to our cap

Saying Suter over Carle is preference, it's not the Bible.
- puckhead17

Everyone here knows how big of a fan I am of Carle. I think he's a very underrated, and very under appreciated player here. And he is playing very, very well right now. But Suter is a significant upgrade over Carle.

I hear jagrs name every time he's on the ice jvr most of the time I don't know if he's playing or not
- Philly1980

I'll second that

I don't think Carle is a 25 minute guy either, but I like our top 4, if they are to "blow up" you do it for Weber in my opinion, as he's the dynamic we're lacking, Suter really doesn't bring us anything that we don't already have, except $2 million more to our cap

Saying Suter over Carle is preference, it's not the Bible.
- puckhead17

Your entitled to your opinion. If I have to spend only a million more, Im signing Suter 10 out of 10 times.

I never been a big fan of Carle, but he has played very well, even without Pronger as his partner.