Is anyone considering the fact if JVR is traded soon after Carter and Richards were, how it would potentially deter guys from signing here? Trading 3 cornerstone players who had long term deals will make players think twice about it.

There is no need to trade JVR, if the price is reasonable go out and get Gleason, or Gill, if not stand pat, and go after Suter in the summer.
- PLindbergh31

No because the trades are not just shipping guys out. There was a clear cut reason for the Richards and Carter trades, that paid off. They actually sent a strong message to players who sign here in my opinion.

This JvR deal is completely different in that it is pretty clear that they would be making a move from strength to fill a need.

If the Flyers continue to make the right moves to improve their roster and competing annually in the playoffs... players will want to sign here.

i've been a supporter of lilja, but he had a bit of a rough game last night. it seemed like every time the puck was in the flyers end, he was on the ice.

i'd like to see gusty go.
- hammarby31

I've taken lilja with a grain of salt this year. He scares the poop out of me Bc it seems lava isn't hiding him as well as he could

Yea.. i mean lowering your expected return to address a need now..

If its me trading JvR, I am using him as the meat to get a bigger better guy.. like MookaLook said..

If today was the trade deadline and someone told me that I HAD to trade JvR and get the best possible return.. I would look to package him for Pietrangelo
- jak521

You should look at the standings first. No way St Louis trades their young, stud D-man when they're in the playoff hunt for once.

They just overhauled the team, they are near the top of the standings, why change the dynamic? Leave it alone. Add a depth dman and call it a day.
- PLindbergh31

that's how i feel. stop with the jvr stuff. plenty of teams will be looking to dump veteran depth dmen.

I think that the Habs might want Couturier for him. That's who I'd want.
- Jsaquella

No chance in hell they would get him though..

They just overhauled the team, they are near the top of the standings, why change the dynamic? Leave it alone. Add a depth dman and call it a day.
- PLindbergh31

but for some it means blowing everything up while players values are never "higher" hmmmmmmm

They have had a legitimate need on defense since Pronger went out over a month ago. They haven't rushed into a deal yet. They very easily could have traded a second rounder and a guy like Zolnierczyk for Tim Gleason, but they haven't.
- Jsaquella

One month is not playing the waiting game, especially when the teams still winning.

The waiting game to me is letting the TDL pass and not making a move to bring in a dman for the future because you could potentially sign one in the offseason. As many are suggesting.

schenn tops out as a 2nd pair shutdown guy and JVR tops out as a 35-40 goal 1st line pwr forward...IMO, JVR has more upside/value
- isaiah520

Schenn's potential is higher then that. He can be a #2 top pairing defensive defenseman who can make a good first pass, and provide some supplemental offense. I don't know if he'll get there, but he has that potential.

[quote=jak521]Yea.. i mean lowering your expected return to address a need now..

If its me trading JvR, I am using him as the meat to get a bigger better guy.. like MookaLook said..

If today was the trade deadline and someone told me that I HAD to trade JvR and get the best possible return.. I would look to package him for Pietrangelo
- hereticpride[/quote]
You should look at the standings first. No way St Louis trades their young, stud D-man when they're in the playoff hunt for once.

Didnt say it would work.. just saying thats the type of player I would be open to trading JvR for.

Yea.. i mean lowering your expected return to address a need now..

If its me trading JvR, I am using him as the meat to get a bigger better guy.. like MookaLook said..

If today was the trade deadline and someone told me that I HAD to trade JvR and get the best possible return.. I would look to package him for Pietrangelo
- jak521

That'd be great.

I have said, time and again, my choice would be sending non roster assets for Gleason, Gill, Beauchemin or somebody like that-a guy who would be a stopgap/possible re-sign target, and then go after a big fish in the summer.

However, in simply discussing the rumor du jour...

I wonder if Winnipeg is going to regret taking Mark Scheifele over Sean Couturier in a couple of years.

Yup.


That's all I have to say to that. I wish we could just get Beauchemin for a pick and be done with this already.
- hereticpride

Beauchemin or a gleason would be the way I'd go this year, and hope for the best. Even if we could get to round 2, it'd be great experience for a lot of our young forward corps. I'm leary about giving up high picks. I guess as well, we need to decide whether it's a strong draft or not. If we finish top 6 in the league in a weak draft, it may not be all that bad to part with a 1 pick for the sake of a Dman.

One month is not playing the waiting game, especially when the teams still winning.

The waiting game to me is letting the TDL pass and not making a move to bring in a dman for the future because you could potentially sign one in the offseason. As many are suggesting.
- Flyers2821

Then what is it? If they were not waiting, they would have made a trade right away.. but instead they are waiting to see numerous things.. how the replacements fair, how other trades breakdown, what kind of offers they are getting..

Waiting is exactly what they are doing.

One month is not playing the waiting game, especially when the teams still winning.

The waiting game to me is letting the TDL pass and not making a move to bring in a dman for the future because you could potentially sign one in the offseason. As many are suggesting.
- Flyers2821

They have had defensive issues all season. Pronger has been out almost 2 months. His last game was November 19th.

that's how i feel. stop with the jvr stuff. plenty of teams will be looking to dump veteran depth dmen.
- hammarby31

Yup. Exactly.

I wonder if Winnipeg is going to regret taking Mark Scheifele over Sean Couturier in a couple of years.
- bradleyc4

I'd be regretting it now. Also, the Isles, Ottawa...etc.

I wonder if Winnipeg is going to regret taking Mark Scheifele over Sean Couturier in a couple of years.
- bradleyc4

or if they already do.

that's how i feel. stop with the jvr stuff. plenty of teams will be looking to dump veteran depth dmen.
- hammarby31

Agreed. I mean, I'm open to the idea of trading JVR if it's a move that undeniably improves this team, but I'm not liking the "trade JVR, I want a shiny new toy" approach. But then again, it's to be expected at this juncture in the season I suppose.

You should look at the standings first. No way St Louis trades their young, stud D-man when they're in the playoff hunt for once.
- hereticpride

Yeah, cannot see that happening. With the parity as well, most teams will beleive they are in the hunt and look to buy thereby driving up the price on rentals. I wish Don Waddell was still around. We need a Zhitnik for Coburn kind of absolute off the wall trade to get the D in order again.

No chance in hell they would get him though..
- jak521

Nope. If I called the Habs and asked about Subban and they said Couturier, I say OK, just checking and hang up.

They have had defensive issues all season. Pronger has been out almost 2 months. His last game was November 19th.
- Jsaquella

I know that. However, it hasn't even been a month since Pronger was ruled out for the season. Their clear hope was to get him back. Now with that out of the question, they are clearly working the lines to get a dman of the future in here. Which I agree with 100%.

My point, in saying the waiting game, is in reference to the future of our defense. People statin the Flyers should wait until the offseason and hopefully sign a dman in free agency so they don't have to give up assets. To me, if you can get that guy now and not MAYBE sign a Suter in the offseason, it is a smart move and a VERY Flyers type of move. The Flyers don't "wait to maybe get something" they act to get something now.

No because the trades are not just shipping guys out. There was a clear cut reason for the Richards and Carter trades, that paid off. They actually sent a strong message to players who sign here in my opinion.

This JvR deal is completely different in that it is pretty clear that they would be making a move from strength to fill a need.

If the Flyers continue to make the right moves to improve their roster and competing annually in the playoffs... players will want to sign here.
- Flyers2821

The need can be filled without trading a core player. I would much rather sign Suter as a UFA, instead of trading JVR for a guy that isn't a slam dunk.

That'd be great.

I have said, time and again, my choice would be sending non roster assets for Gleason, Gill, Beauchemin or somebody like that-a guy who would be a stopgap/possible re-sign target, and then go after a big fish in the summer.

However, in simply discussing the rumor du jour...
- Jsaquella

JSAQ you love gleason whose to say he wont want more money after his contract is up....im just saying no to rentals right now...we arent going to win it this year even with sutter or webber...why over pay for those guys when schenn in two years is going to 25 and much better...

Then what is it? If they were not waiting, they would have made a trade right away.. but instead they are waiting to see numerous things.. how the replacements fair, how other trades breakdown, what kind of offers they are getting..

Waiting is exactly what they are doing.
- jak521

You guys are completely taking my waiting game comment out of context. Read my previous post.

Beauchemin or a gleason would be the way I'd go this year, and hope for the best. Even if we could get to round 2, it'd be great experience for a lot of our young forward corps. I'm leary about giving up high picks. I guess as well, we need to decide whether it's a strong draft or not. If we finish top 6 in the league in a weak draft, it may not be all that bad to part with a 1 pick for the sake of a Dman.
- Hextall271

I'm leaning more towards Beauchemin. It sounds like Gleason could cost more and with Beauchemin being 35 there is the chance you could get him back on the books at a discount for an extra year, maybe two.