Yea because trading JvR for Schenn is the only way to protect our future on defense.
- jak521

I never said only for Schenn. I mean playing the waiting game on getting a dman.

Also, when have the Flyers EVER played the waiting game? Lets be real.

Nuff said.
- jak521

And the Toronto fans will say the same about you.

if that's the deal, I'd rather get beauchemin/Gleason and pay less. for fowler or subban, I would discuss JVR.
- isaiah520

Yeah, I'd rather get Beauchemin or Gleason now and keep JVR on the books. If Fowler was available then that'd be a different story.

Schenn isn't a bad return. In fact he's been more consistent than JvR in his NHL career. The thing is, JvR has a higher ceiling.
- Jsaquella

JvR would go to Toronto and play probably either on the top line or the 2nd line. They get a top 6 forward.. we get a 3rd pair d-man (on our team)... Thats how I look at it NOW. As for the future.. JvR has a higher ceiling.. he has been really hampered by injuries this year, yet is still set to eclipse all career numbers. To me JvR for Schenn wouldnt cut it.. and if that was a final offer and walk them to the door and hail a cab for them.

And the Toronto fans will say the same about you.
- Flyers2821

Because we say things like Aulie and Kuelmin would be an overpayment for richie.

I never said only for Schenn. I mean playing the waiting game on getting a dman.

Also, when have the Flyers EVER played the waiting game? Lets be real.
- Flyers2821

They're doing it right now. If they had listened to the fanbase, JvR would have been gone two years ago.

Is anyone considering the fact if JVR is traded soon after Carter and Richards were, how it would potentially deter guys from signing here? Trading 3 cornerstone players who had long term deals will make players think twice about it.

There is no need to trade JVR, if the price is reasonable go out and get Gleason, or Gill, if not stand pat, and go after Suter in the summer.

I dont trade JVR.... the flyers will not win the cup for a couple more years so sign a Dman and draft well

I never said only for Schenn. I mean playing the waiting game on getting a dman.

Also, when have the Flyers EVER played the waiting game? Lets be real.
- Flyers2821

Id say they play the waiting game pretty routinely. They did it with Richards and Carter. They did it with goalies...

We dont need to trade JvR to address the issues on defense. We could trade for an assortment of reliable 5th d-men and have a very solid defense. Also, we need the forwards to play better two way hockey.. that would go a long way to help the defense out.

JvR would go to Toronto and play probably either on the top line or the 2nd line. They get a top 6 forward.. we get a 3rd pair d-man (on our team)... Thats how I look at it NOW. As for the future.. JvR has a higher ceiling.. he has been really hampered by injuries this year, yet is still set to eclipse all career numbers. To me JvR for Schenn wouldnt cut it.. and if that was a final offer and walk them to the door and hail a cab for them.
- jak521

I wouldn't be turning cartwheels at a JvR-Schenn deal, but I also wouldn't be kicking the dog around the house. It's not an awful deal. I just don't think it's a great deal.

I also think that they're going to wait and see if they can get Ryan, Getzlaff or Perry before "settling" for JvR

I wouldn't be turning cartwheels at a JvR-Schenn deal, but I also wouldn't be kicking the dog around the house. It's not an awful deal. I just don't think it's a great deal.

I also think that they're going to wait and see if they can get Ryan, Getzlaff or Perry before "settling" for JvR
- Jsaquella

I dont think it would be awful, but it would reek of desperation on the Flyers part. They can do better for JvR.

Is anyone considering the fact if JVR is traded soon after Carter and Richards were, how it would potentially deter guys from signing here? Trading 3 cornerstone players who had long term deals will make players think twice about it.

There is no need to trade JVR, if the price is reasonable go out and get Gleason, or Gill, if not stand pat, and go after Suter in the summer.
- PLindbergh31

If that happens then Bryz would be the longerst tenured Flyer

I dont think it would be awful, but it would reek of desperation on the Flyers part. They can do better for JvR.
- jak521

I agree, If your putting up JVR I want it to be in a deal that nets Weber

GIGGITY...Nabby's 1 win away from 300... I knew he wasn't gonna get it against philly.
- oliethegolie

his first regulation loss in his career against the flyers. i'm actually surprised he didn't win. lots of nhl players have enjoyed milestones against philly.

I dont think it would be awful, but it would reek of desperation on the Flyers part. They can do better for JvR.
- jak521

I think they could do better, but I don't think it reeks of desperation. Luke Schenn's a good player with a very bright future. Burke's called him untouchable for a number of years, so it's obvious that he thinks the world of Schenn.

Desperation would be trading JvR for a guy like Beauchemin.

Is anyone considering the fact if JVR is traded soon after Carter and Richards were, how it would potentially deter guys from signing here? Trading 3 cornerstone players who had long term deals will make players think twice about it.

There is no need to trade JVR, if the price is reasonable go out and get Gleason, or Gill, if not stand pat, and go after Suter in the summer.
- PLindbergh31

Right on. That's telling guys if you get injured and your play is hampered the organization has no problem trading you. Even if your playing through it. You don't disrupt this core unless it's the megadeal. Aka Shea weber

mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmm mmmmmmm chex mix

I agree, If your putting up JVR I want it to be in a deal that nets Weber
- bigmookalookie

Yea but no one wants to pay the price to get him either

I think they could do better, but I don't think it reeks of desperation. Luke Schenn's a good player with a very bright future. Burke's called him untouchable for a number of years, so it's obvious that he thinks the world of Schenn.

Desperation would be trading JvR for a guy like Beauchemin.
- Jsaquella

Spot on

Next years draft is stacked with D men. I think targeting a young guy with potential now, and giving up a former 2nd overall pick is a mistake. The D needs help now. Now. I'd rather rent Beauchemin for a 2nd or 3rd than take a guy with his own struggles that eventually will have the higher ceiling, and deal JVR to get that. Call me impatient or whatever. I just don't like anything about this deal unless a number of picks are also coming back our way.

The net result of a 56 point season, isn't going to be a player who MIGHT develop into a top pairing defenseman. (frank)ing screw that poop.

Yea but no one wants to pay the price to get him either
- eayost

I agree, I dont think JVR is going anywhere unless someone overpays the Flyers IMO. I guess time will tell tho.

if that's the deal, I'd rather get beauchemin/Gleason and pay less. for fowler or subban, I would discuss JVR.
- isaiah520

No thanks on Subban, he will never reach his potential IMO. He comes across as a punk. Would never trade JVR for Subban. That would be a horrible trade.

The net result of a 56 point season, isn't going to be a player who MIGHT develop into a top pairing defenseman. (frank)ing screw that poop.
- PLindbergh31

Get the Fetch outta here, Giroux for Beauchemin is a completey fair trade






NOT!!

I think they could do better, but I don't think it reeks of desperation. Luke Schenn's a good player with a very bright future. Burke's called him untouchable for a number of years, so it's obvious that he thinks the world of Schenn.

Desperation would be trading JvR for a guy like Beauchemin.
- Jsaquella

I'd imagine if Luce and Holmgren only think of Schenn topping out as a 2nd pair guy, they wouldn't make the deal. If those guys really think he can be a big number 1 guy, then it's more plausible that they'd do it. It really comes down to what the parties involved feel the value of each player really is.