agreed, but they arguably didn't have a guy that was top 30 in the league at that time either

i'd say at the very least both the flyers (when pronger is healthy) and the predators have two legitimate (high end) number ones

i think we established earlier in the week though that i'm a bit higher on suter than you are
- FlyerMike18

I love Suter, make no mistake about it. He's the guy I really want. All I said was that I don't believe he's as good defensively as Timonen is.

No. Giving up on JvR is trading him for David Rundblad and a 2nd rounder.

Getting a package headed by Luke Schenn is saying we got a really good return for a guy we still think is a damned good player.
- Jsaquella

Is Schenn that much better than Rundblad?

both have equal potential

Here are the top 20 NHL defenseman in cap hits. Compare Suter to a player, and that will give you an idea.

1. Weber, Shea » D NAS 26 1 $7,500,000
2. Campbell, Brian » D FLA 32 8 $7,142,875
3. Doughty, Drew » D LAK 22 8 $7,000,000
4. Chara, Zdeno » D BOS 34 7 $6,916,667
5. Bouwmeester, Jay » D CGY 28 5 $6,680,000
6. Boyle, Dan » D SAN 35 6 $6,666,667
7. Phaneuf, Dion » D TOR 26 6 $6,500,000
8. Redden, Wade » D NYR 34 6 $6,500,000
9. Timonen, Kimmo » D PHI 36 6 $6,333,333
10. Lidstrom, Nicklas » D DET 41 1 $6,200,000
11. Seabrook, Brent » D CHI 26 5 $5,800,000
12. Markov, Andrei » D MTL 33 3 $5,750,000
13. Visnovsky, Lubomir » D ANA 35 5 $5,600,000
14. Keith, Duncan » D CHI 28 13 $5,538,462
15. Gonchar, Sergei » D OTT 37 3 $5,500,000
16. Wisniewski, James » D CLB 27 6 $5,500,000
17. Green, Mike » D WAS 26 4 $5,250,000
18. Yandle, Keith » D PHO 25 5 $5,250,000
19. Byfuglien, Dustin » D WIN 26 5 $5,200,000
20. Rozsival, Michal » D PHO 33 4 $5,000,000
- MJL

Honestly, from that list, I think Suter is most comparable to Timonen. At least in style of play. Jay-bo (can't believe I'm typing this) would be next imo.

fair enough. might just be my red white and blue glasses too, as i disputed your rankings of orpik, suter, and rafalski
- FlyerMike18

Is Schenn that much better than Rundblad?

both have equal potential
- puckhead17

Yes. Schenn is a LOT better than Rundblad. Especially in his own end. Rundblad is a lot less likely to reach his potential than Schenn.

Yes. Schenn is a LOT better than Rundblad. Especially in his own end. Rundblad is a lot less likely to reach his potential than Schenn.
- Jsaquella

Many say Ottawa got taken in Turris for Rundblad though

Is Schenn that much better than Rundblad?

both have equal potential
- puckhead17

They are two completely different dmen, but yes at the moment he is.


Rundblad is still learning, but has the much higher ceiling of the two imo.

Is Schenn that much better than Rundblad?

both have equal potential
- puckhead17

the both pale in comparison to ricard blidstrand

They are two completely different dmen, but yes at the moment he is.


Rundblad is still learning, but has the much higher ceiling of the two imo.
- Yosimar89

right, that's I've heard, that he could be another Karlsson

Many say Ottawa got taken in Turris for Rundblad though
- puckhead17

Well, Ottawa is 9-2-1 since the trade, and Turris has 8 points in 11 games.

Rundblad was sent to the AHL today.

Well, Ottawa is 9-2-1 since the trade, and Turris has 8 points in 11 games.

Rundblad was sent to the AHL today.
- Jsaquella

ooo missed the AHL send down thing, Is Rundblad a bust?
They say that he's anther potential Karlsson

They are two completely different dmen, but yes at the moment he is.


Rundblad is still learning, but has the much higher ceiling of the two imo.
- Yosimar89

8B rated by hockey's future for what that's worth

Well, Ottawa is 9-2-1 since the trade, and Turris has 8 points in 11 games.

Rundblad was sent to the AHL today.
- Jsaquella

different development tracks. pietrangelo took a while and STL stayed patient, reaped the rewards.

different development tracks. pietrangelo took a while and STL stayed patient, reaped the rewards.
- isaiah520

Alex Pietrangelo played exactly 1 AHL game in his lifetime.

different development tracks. pietrangelo took a while and STL stayed patient, reaped the rewards.
- isaiah520

that's what I thought, 2 different stages of development

8B rated by hockey's future for what that's worth
- isaiah520

I have no idea what that means


I think they'll both be good to be honest. You can't really compare the two, one's a tough stay at home dmen, and the other is a puck moving offensinve minded guy.

ooo missed the AHL send down thing, Is Rundblad a bust?
They say that he's anther potential Karlsson
- puckhead17

He put up decent numbers in two games in Phoenix, but he was sent down today.

Too early to call him a bust. He has been traded twice now, though, and hasn't really played much in North America.

I have no idea what that means


I think they'll both be good to be honest. You can't really compare the two, one's a tough stay at home dmen, and the other is a puck moving offensinve minded guy.
- Yosimar89

and it took Karlsson what, 3 years?

and it took Karlsson what, 3 years?
- puckhead17

Not really. Karlsson had 26 points in 60 NHL games in 2009-10. Last year he had 45 in 75. This year Karlsson's really broken out, but he's produced almost from day one in the NHL

Alex Pietrangelo played exactly 1 AHL game in his lifetime.
- Jsaquella

sent him back to juniors for as long as he was eligible. others in his class were playing 2 yrs earlier and some were questioning whether he might be a bust.

FWIW, Burke denies "current rumors" about Schenn, doesn't guarantee that Schenn won;t be traded

Not really. Karlsson had 26 points in 60 NHL games in 2009-10. Last year he had 45 in 75. This year Karlsson's really broken out, but he's produced almost from day one in the NHL
- Jsaquella

Right, I didn't look at the numbers, scary to see what kind of contract he could get

sent him back to juniors for as long as he was eligible. others in his class were playing 2 yrs earlier and some were questioning whether he might be a bust.
- isaiah520

Well, people questioned JvR being a bust. People can be dumb.

Rundblad is now two years older than Pietrangelo when he became a full time NHLer.

However, as soon as Pietrangelo became a regular NHLer he was successful and regarded as a top young defenseman.

and it took Karlsson what, 3 years?
- puckhead17

Hockeys a funny sport, Rundblad's stats in the SEL destroy that of Karlsson's.

In his last season, Rundblad scored 50 points in 55 games, almost as many points as karlsson had games in the SEL as it took Karlsson longer to get a first team shot with his team in sweden, so David was actually ahead of the curve.

Some players mature differently, i still think Rundblad will come around.

Hockeys a funny sport, Rundblad's stats in the SEL destroy that of Karlsson's.

In his last season, Rundblad scored 50 points in 55 games, almost as many points as karlsson had games in the SEL as it took Karlsson longer to get a first team shot with his team in sweden, so David was actually ahead of the curve.

Some players mature differently, i still think Rundblad will come around.
- Yosimar89

Rundblad was a monster in the SEL. He could be a good player in time. IDK, I just see him getting moved so much and I worry that the talent won't translate to the smaller ice.