that wasn't my point. the fact that homer is willing to make any deal was being used as a justification for a possible trade itself and if that makes zero sense to you, I concur.
- isaiah520

The thing is, if you want to use his miscalculations against him, you can't expect people to ignore the good things he's done as a manager.

Personally, my take is that you're undervaluing Schenn's potential. He has a lot of it. I agree that JvR's potential is higher, but Schenn isn't Tim Gleason or Bryan Allen. He's a talented young defenseman, who could well be a top pair guy someday, just as easily as JvR could be a 30 goal scorer.

How many GM's have made miscalculations? Holmgren's built a team that's 3rd in the NHL in playoffs wins in the past 4 years. He's managed to turn the NHL's worst team into a consistent contender in a short time span. He traded to two faces of his franchise, and the team has played as good as ever.

Holmgren takes far too much heat from fans. The guy has done a good job overall.
- Jsaquella

agree 100 percent

no offensive skill huh??
- griouxmvp2012

sweet; one of his 13 goals in 272 career games!

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Here's the bottom line for me. If the Flyers scouts and pro personell department think that Schenn is going to grow into a top pair defenseman, then they should make this deal. Especially if they can get more out of it then just Schenn.
- MJL

I don't want to see JVR moved but completely agree with you. Top D> top winger.

Here is one thing people seem to not be seeing...apparently, Burke is pursuing JvR. This wasn't the Flyer going to Burke and offering JvR for Schenn. So if a trade is made, it's likely that Holmgren will name the price
- Jsaquella

right

I think bill convinced me that dmen that haven't shown offensive proclivity by a certain point in their careers -even in junior- rarely display it over the balance of their careers. his #'s were very convincing.
- isaiah520

It's not likely that Schenn develops into a big point producer on the back end. But he doesn't need to, to make this deal.

I don't want to see JVR moved but completely agree with you. Top D> top winger.
- flyguy12

Exactly. On every day of the week.

That's the indication I get from the reputable guys on twitter. The more reputable ones are hinting that Burke asked and that Holmgren wants Schenn+
- Jsaquella

As much as I don't want JVR traded, with the emergence of Read and Coots looking like they can handle top 9 forward minutes, it does seem feasible to trade JVR. There is enough depth in the AHL with a Holmstrom or Sestito type to fill in on the 4th line if JVR is traded.

Here is one thing people seem to not be seeing...apparently, Burke is pursuing JvR. This wasn't the Flyer going to Burke and offering JvR for Schenn. So if a trade is made, it's likely that Holmgren will name the price
- Jsaquella

Is anybody else anticipating Lupul to incur a season ending injury two weeks before the playoffs start?

Is anybody else anticipating Lupul to incur a season ending injury two weeks before the playoffs start?
- rockychocbill

Would not be surprised if Lupul is skating at center ice and suddenly is taken out by Derian Hatcher. Don't ask me how Hatcher gets onto the ice.

no offensive skill huh??
- griouxmvp2012

we should trade him for this guy then...also an offensive dynamo

We can have that discussion again. But I'd like to stick to current events.
- MJL

because of the limitations of the safari browser on iPad, I'll address your ? about how JVR is performing right now in this post.

yes, he's performing like a 3rd liner in terms of production, but he's hurt and if I thought he was the 2nd coming of Blake wheeler, I'd be more enthusiastic about moving him.

As much as I don't want JVR traded, with the emergence of Read and Coots looking like they can handle top 9 forward minutes, it does seem feasible to trade JVR. There is enough depth in the AHL with a Holmstrom or Sestito type to fill in on the 4th line if JVR is traded.
- ravishingone

I don't want to see him traded either. But if it's a deal that makes the Flyers better, go for it.

Schenn could well be a top pair defenseman someday soon. He's physical, he's got a good hard right handed shot, decent mobility, and a rep as a good leadership guy.

Getting him in a JvR trade is not the end of the world. I'd like to see the Flyers get more, but we shall see what happens.

because of the limitations of the safari browser on iPad, I'll address your ? about how JVR is performing right now in this post.

yes, he's performing like a 3rd liner in terms of production, but he's hurt and if I thought he was the 2nd coming of Blake wheeler, I'd be more enthusiastic about moving him.
- isaiah520

I have no idea what point your trying to get across here.

Is anybody else anticipating Lupul to incur a season ending injury two weeks before the playoffs start?
- rockychocbill

I hope he stays healthy and does well. Guy's had a rough couple of years since being traded for Pronger.

Just seen Tim P. joined the Official Philadelphia Flyers facebook group where fans discuss the team etc....

I don't want to see him traded either. But if it's a deal that makes the Flyers better, go for it.

Schenn could well be a top pair defenseman someday soon. He's physical, he's got a good hard right handed shot, decent mobility, and a rep as a good leadership guy.

Getting him in a JvR trade is not the end of the world. I'd like to see the Flyers get more, but we shall see what happens.
- Jsaquella

Agreed, and if Schenn is involved he is signed at a relatively cap friendly $3.6 million for another 4 years after this year. If he turns into even a top 4 d-man, his salary is almost a bargain.

It's not likely that Schenn develops into a big point producer on the back end. But he doesn't need to, to make this deal.
- MJL

I think JVR is complete enuf of a talent that I would demand more than schenn. our other need on d is more offensive contribution and there are well rounded guys I'd pay more for that would make more sense for me, going forward.

Agreed, and if Schenn is involved he is signed at a relatively cap friendly $3.6 million for another 4 years after this year. If he turns into even a top 4 d-man, his salary is almost a bargain.
- ravishingone

Also very true.

Would not be surprised if Lupul is skating at center ice and suddenly is taken out by Derian Hatcher. Don't ask me how Hatcher gets onto the ice.
- feelingkettle

my preference is to add a rental like zanon for the rest of the year and then make a run at suter in the summer when you don't have to give up an asset to do so.

It's not likely that Schenn develops into a big point producer on the back end. But he doesn't need to, to make this deal.
- MJL

it seems clear that you've lost patience w/ JVR and I understand because he's frustrating to watch. I just think that schenn represent settling and that is a clear point of disagreement for us.

I don't want to see him traded either. But if it's a deal that makes the Flyers better, go for it.

Schenn could well be a top pair defenseman someday soon. He's physical, he's got a good hard right handed shot, decent mobility, and a rep as a good leadership guy.

Getting him in a JvR trade is not the end of the world. I'd like to see the Flyers get more, but we shall see what happens.
- Jsaquella

Even though I beat the drum for Homer to get Beauchemin, if they went the young route by getting LSchenn I'd be ok considering they don't blow up the team to do it.

Another thing I was thinking and wondering what you guys thought, perhaps homer has an IOU out on Burke for that little move he pulled on us with Versteeg last year, and this whole ordeal for schenn is simply a matter of one of mine for one of yours and not some major blockbuster package. Any thoughts?

I think JVR is complete enuf of a talent that I would demand more than schenn. our other need on d is more offensive contribution and there are well rounded guys I'd pay more for that would make more sense for me, going forward.
- isaiah520

I think the real problem is that you've applied an artificial ceiling on Schenn's potential. If we can get a young defenseman that has Schenn's potential as a physical top pairing defenseman that also has a top offensive game, I'm all for it. But who is that? And can you get that player for JVR? Again, a lot more factors to consider. And the dynamics of trading for a player like you want, is far more involved, and far more expensive.

it seems clear that you've lost patience w/ JVR and I understand because he's frustrating to watch. I just think that schenn represent settling and that is a clear point of disagreement for us.
- isaiah520

If you concluding that I've lost patience with JVR, you would be incorrect. Again, if the Flyers make that trade, it's for a reason. One which you won't consider.