right out of the gate, calling him a 3rd line winger is a joke, because on most teams he's at least a 2nd liner. schenn is a stay at home guy and plyr like that are available for a lot less $ w/ a lot more exp. trade top tier forwards for dynamic dmen who contribute O & D.
- isaiah520

dude, right now he's playing like a 3rd line winger....no?

How many GM's have made miscalculations? Holmgren's built a team that's 3rd in the NHL in playoffs wins in the past 4 years. He's managed to turn the NHL's worst team into a consistent contender in a short time span. He traded to two faces of his franchise, and the team has played as good as ever.

Holmgren takes far too much heat from fans. The guy has done a good job overall.
- Jsaquella

+1

What is Schenn going to be? You seem to have him pegged as just a stay at home defenseman. His potential is for far more then that. And obviously if you think that all he is is a stay at home defenseman, then you don't make the deal. You simply can't dismiss Schenn's talent and physical tools.
- MJL

hes got a nasty right handed shot.....might be big for our powerpaly!

not saying your take on eminger is incorrect, i just love how people continually beat that point into the ground like it was the most recent trade he made.
- OrangeBlack27

well, there are those who would point out the pmt and return on steeg and others who aren't willing to wait to judge whether the bryz move was the right one. my issue w/ the bryz move had more to do w/ how homer could have used the leverage of a buyers mkt to better effect.

hes got a nasty right handed shot.....might be big for our powerpaly!
- Philly1980

He's also got decent mobility, especially for a stay at home guy.

dude, right now he's playing like a 3rd line winger....no?
- eshake

..........because of injury/hip condition?

+1
- rockychocbill

well, there are those who would point out the pmt and return on steeg and others who aren't willing to wait to judge whether the bryz move was the right one. my issue w/ the bryz move had more to do w/ how homer could have used the leverage of a buyers mkt to better effect.
- isaiah520

bryz wasnt homers move it was sniders

Has it occurred to you that Holmgren is a good GM whose quality moves far, far outweigh his bad ones. Show me a top GM that doesn't have blemishes on his resume? This is really basic stuff. Holmgren has been wrong before, he'll be wrong again. Just like any other GM. But where's the facts that says he would be wrong here? We all have an opinion. But that's all we have.
- MJL

exactly and since we are clearly in disagreement, I'll move on.

well, there are those who would point out the pmt and return on steeg and others who aren't willing to wait to judge whether the bryz move was the right one. my issue w/ the bryz move had more to do w/ how homer could have used the leverage of a buyers mkt to better effect.
- isaiah520

We can have that discussion again. But I'd like to stick to current events.

JvR MIGHT become a 30 goal scorer. he's not yet, and the further he moves into the season the harder it is for me to think he'll do that on a regular basis. plus the Flyers have plenty of other young forwards that project similarly. i get that's who the flyers were stuck w/ at #2 in 2007...but it doesn't mean it should cloud your reasonable projections.
- eshake

Who projects similarly to jvr?

Here is one thing people seem to not be seeing...apparently, Burke is pursuing JvR. This wasn't the Flyer going to Burke and offering JvR for Schenn. So if a trade is made, it's likely that Holmgren will name the price

no offensive skill huh??

Here is one thing people seem to not be seeing...apparently, Burke is pursuing JvR. This wasn't the Flyer going to Burke and offering JvR for Schenn. So if a trade is made, it's likely that Holmgren will name the price
- Jsaquella

Good. I hope your right.

How many GM's have made miscalculations? Holmgren's built a team that's 3rd in the NHL in playoffs wins in the past 4 years. He's managed to turn the NHL's worst team into a consistent contender in a short time span. He traded to two faces of his franchise, and the team has played as good as ever.

Holmgren takes far too much heat from fans. The guy has done a good job overall.
- Jsaquella

that wasn't my point. the fact that homer is willing to make any deal was being used as a justification for a possible trade itself and if that makes zero sense to you, I concur.

no offensive skill huh??
- griouxmvp2012

Doesn't prove anything. You can find Youtube highlights for any player.

Good. I hope your right.
- MJL

That's the indication I get from the reputable guys on twitter. The more reputable ones are hinting that Burke asked and that Holmgren wants Schenn+

I think though it says were an organization that wants to win and for some players that says a lot...
- Philly1980

sure, but there are like 10 teams that have a legit shot at the cup entering every year. and not all of them are trading players they've made long-term commitments to.

That's the indication I get from the reputable guys on twitter. The more reputable ones are hinting that Burke asked and that Holmgren wants Schenn+
- Jsaquella

hey whats the time frame on this is it tonight or is this crap gonna drag till feb

haha just messing with you guys
- Jack-Meoff

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That's the indication I get from the reputable guys on twitter. The more reputable ones are hinting that Burke asked and that Holmgren wants Schenn+
- Jsaquella

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Here's the bottom line for me. If the Flyers scouts and pro personell department think that Schenn is going to grow into a top pair defenseman, then they should make this deal. Especially if they can get more out of it then just Schenn.

sure, but there are like 10 teams that have a legit shot at the cup entering every year. and not all of them are trading players they've made long-term commitments to.
- OrangeBlack27

and the flyers are one of those year in and year out......not many orgs that can say that.

hey whats the time frame on this is it tonight or is this crap gonna drag till feb
- Philly1980

tonight. if it doesn't happen by 10:59 EST, it is not happening. Unless it happens tomorrow.

there's also a point where big paul can't sign players to long-term deals and then trade them before they start or with 9 years left on the deal. this has typically been a place where players want to play. if jvr is dealt, that's officially a pattern and probably going to be in players' minds going forward when dealing with the flyers.
- OrangeBlack27

Agreed. Let's at least wait until we get Weber and Suter before we go off trading anyone else.

your talking like schenn is a 10 year vet hes 22 he can develop offensive skill and hes a bruiser the philly fans will love him
- griouxmvp2012

I think bill convinced me that dmen that haven't shown offensive proclivity by a certain point in their careers -even in junior- rarely display it over the balance of their careers. his #'s were very convincing.