Not really, but do you want to rehash Richards and Carter, or stick to current events?
- MJL

no, just to mention I had my own opinion on Richards and how giroux's emergence made him a trade candidate...iow, independent thinking...wrong sometimes, of course, but independent nonetheless.

we are all guilty of seeking out opinions that support our beliefs. I'd like to think I'm open to changing my mind if someone make a superior argument.

sounds like if there is gonna be a deal its going down tonite??
- griouxmvp2012

seems that way

Whats Schenns Cap hit? Could we not find a way cap wise to add in another forward at the deadline to help get some offense for the playoffs? I think if we can get a forward from Tor in a deal and add depth and get another forward at the deadline we will have enough and more to make up for JVR.

i rather like kulemin. but the idea is for the leafs to add size up front, not swap with someone else.
- OrangeBlack27

He's had a bad season, so far. On pace for just 10 goals

both...JVR is the superior talent and he's actually done something in the plyoffs. if he does indeed have a hip/ab issue, he should be judged in light of that.
- isaiah520

Sorry, but you couldn't possibly say that as a fact. It may be your opinion, but it isn't a fact. For one, one player is a forward, and the other is a defenseman. How can you possibly compare playoff performance, when one player hasn't been on a team that has made the playoffs? Where is the logic in that? There are a ton of factors to consider. And you have to take into consideration if the Flyers would make this deal, why they would do so?

It really depends on a few factors. How intrusive the bone growth is, it's location, has it done significant or minor labral damage, etc. Honestly I have seen a ton of them. They can be fixed arthroscopically or open... Arthroscopically is a much faster recovery, but doesn't fix the main problem (the growth). Open you have to dislocate the hip shave off that bone repair the labrum reduce the hip and requires typically 5-7 weeks of crutches and non weightbearing. The final recovery is typically like 3 months but the bonus is that it's generally one and done.
- jak521

I think this is what most likely needs to happen but because he is still able to play and not be in any great discomfort they will wait until the end of the season. It saves them from having to fill a roster spot.

The thing I can't get around right now though is why is Burke interested in damaged goods? Does he think he can get JVR cheaper because of this?

He's had a bad season, so far. On pace for just 10 goals
- Jsaquella

surely. i just don't think that really jives with what the leafs want to do.

both...JVR is the superior talent and he's actually done something in the plyoffs. if he does indeed have a hip/ab issue, he should be judged in light of that.
- isaiah520

JvR isn't all that much more of a physical talent. these guys, despite playing two different positions, have comparable trajectories:

Schenn Present
2nd pairing dman
20 minute capablity
Physical Prescense
Good Skater/Puck Mover



JvR Present
3rd Line Winger
25 goal potential
good wrist shot
smoohth skater



Schenn Future
Top Pairing Dman
25 min capability
Physical Prescence
True Leader/Captain Material


JvR Future
Top Line Forward
30 Goal Scorer


i've said it before, it's all about what your team has an abundance of and what they need. JvR WILL NEVER be a physical hockey player....yeah, he can get stronger, but you have those type of instincts when you START playing. you can gain confidence, but it's not likely JvR one day will become Cam Neeley...not matter how much his offense develops.

Whats Schenns Cap hit? Could we not find a way cap wise to add in another forward at the deadline to help get some offense for the playoffs? I think if we can get a forward from Tor in a deal and add depth and get another forward at the deadline we will have enough and more to make up for JVR.
- Buzzo

Schenn's cap hit is $3.6mm. Trading JvR and sending Bourdon or Lilja down would leave them able to add a full season hit or about $3mm

Whats Schenns Cap hit? Could we not find a way cap wise to add in another forward at the deadline to help get some offense for the playoffs? I think if we can get a forward from Tor in a deal and add depth and get another forward at the deadline we will have enough and more to make up for JVR.
- Buzzo

Absolutely they could add a Forward still at the deadline. But it would depend on what the deal is.

Sorry, but you couldn't possibly say that as a fact. It may be your opinion, but it isn't a fact. For one, one player is a forward, and the other is a defenseman. How can you possibly compare playoff performance, when one player hasn't been on a team that has made the playoffs? Where is the logic in that? There are a ton of factors to consider. And you have to take into consideration if the Flyers would make this deal, why they would do so?
- MJL

has it occurred to you that homer is miscalculating like he has on many significant occasions before? so what they make a deal. they traded a first for eminger because they thought he fit the mold of a dman that could grow to be at least a top 4 guy and they were horribly wrong.

Schenn's cap hit is $3.6mm. Trading JvR and sending Bourdon or Lilja down would leave them able to add a full season hit or about $3mm
- Jsaquella

yea then we can sign suter in the offseason and have a crazy good d

Schenn's cap hit is $3.6mm. Trading JvR and sending Bourdon or Lilja down would leave them able to add a full season hit or about $3mm
- Jsaquella

Does this include also LTIR of Pronger and the guys waived/sent to minors...Dead horse but waiving Shelley??

there's also a point where big paul can't sign players to long-term deals and then trade them before they start or with 9 years left on the deal. this has typically been a place where players want to play. if jvr is dealt, that's officially a pattern and probably going to be in players' minds going forward when dealing with the flyers.

has it occurred to you that homer is miscalculating like he has on many significant occasions before? so what they make a deal. they traded a first for eminger because they thought he fit the mold of a dman that could grow to be at least a top 4 guy and they were horribly wrong.
- isaiah520

not saying your take on eminger is incorrect, i just love how people continually beat that point into the ground like it was the most recent trade he made.

Does this include also LTIR of Pronger and the guys waived/sent to minors...Dead horse but waiving Shelley??

- Buzzo

It includes all LTIR money, not waiving Shelley.

JvR isn't all that much more of a physical talent. these guys, despite playing two different positions, have comparable trajectories:

Schenn Present
2nd pairing dman
20 minute capablity
Physical Prescense
Good Skater/Puck Mover



JvR Present
3rd Line Winger
25 goal potential
good wrist shot
smoohth skater



Schenn Future
Top Pairing Dman
25 min capability
Physical Prescence
True Leader/Captain Material


JvR Future
Top Line Forward
30 Goal Scorer


i've said it before, it's all about what your team has an abundance of and what they need. JvR WILL NEVER be a physical hockey player....yeah, he can get stronger, but you have those type of instincts when you START playing. you can gain confidence, but it's not likely JvR one day will become Cam Neeley...not matter how much his offense develops.
- eshake

You had me up until the smooth skater part.

has it occurred to you that homer is miscalculating like he has on many significant occasions before? so what they make a deal. they traded a first for eminger because they thought he fit the mold of a dman that could grow to be at least a top 4 guy and they were horribly wrong.
- isaiah520

Has it occurred to you that Holmgren is a good GM whose quality moves far, far outweigh his bad ones. Show me a top GM that doesn't have blemishes on his resume? This is really basic stuff. Holmgren has been wrong before, he'll be wrong again. Just like any other GM. But where's the facts that says he would be wrong here? We all have an opinion. But that's all we have.

JvR isn't all that much more of a physical talent. these guys, despite playing two different positions, have comparable trajectories:

Schenn Present
2nd pairing dman
20 minute capablity
Physical Prescense
Good Skater/Puck Mover



JvR Present
3rd Line Winger
25 goal potential
good wrist shot
smoohth skater



Schenn Future
Top Pairing Dman
25 min capability
Physical Prescence
True Leader/Captain Material


JvR Future
Top Line Forward
30 Goal Scorer


i've said it before, it's all about what your team has an abundance of and what they need. JvR WILL NEVER be a physical hockey player....yeah, he can get stronger, but you have those type of instincts when you START playing. you can gain confidence, but it's not likely JvR one day will become Cam Neeley...not matter how much his offense develops.
- eshake

right out of the gate, calling him a 3rd line winger is a joke, because on most teams he's at least a 2nd liner. schenn is a stay at home guy and plyr like that are available for a lot less $ w/ a lot more exp. trade top tier forwards for dynamic dmen who contribute O & D.

there's also a point where big paul can't sign players to long-term deals and then trade them before they start or with 9 years left on the deal. this has typically been a place where players want to play. if jvr is dealt, that's officially a pattern and probably going to be in players' minds going forward when dealing with the flyers.
- OrangeBlack27

I think though it says were an organization that wants to win and for some players that says a lot...

has it occurred to you that homer is miscalculating like he has on many significant occasions before? so what they make a deal. they traded a first for eminger because they thought he fit the mold of a dman that could grow to be at least a top 4 guy and they were horribly wrong.
- isaiah520

this guy's not eminger...take what you will form the Toronto media and fans, but it's hard for your shortcomings as a player to fall through the cracks there.

i know some people who are a bit bummed on his play now (EXACTLY LIKE SOME ARE HERE OF JvR), and i know some who think JvR is a still who has proven nothing and Schenn's is C heir apparent to Phanuf

there's also a point where big paul can't sign players to long-term deals and then trade them before they start or with 9 years left on the deal. this has typically been a place where players want to play. if jvr is dealt, that's officially a pattern and probably going to be in players' minds going forward when dealing with the flyers.
- OrangeBlack27

So they ask for a NTC. Not a big deal if the player is worth signing in the first place.

has it occurred to you that homer is miscalculating like he has on many significant occasions before? so what they make a deal. they traded a first for eminger because they thought he fit the mold of a dman that could grow to be at least a top 4 guy and they were horribly wrong.
- isaiah520

How many GM's have made miscalculations? Holmgren's built a team that's 3rd in the NHL in playoffs wins in the past 4 years. He's managed to turn the NHL's worst team into a consistent contender in a short time span. He traded to two faces of his franchise, and the team has played as good as ever.

Holmgren takes far too much heat from fans. The guy has done a good job overall.

right out of the gate, calling him a 3rd line winger is a joke, because on most teams he's at least a 2nd liner. schenn is a stay at home guy and plyr like that are available for a lot less $ w/ a lot more exp. trade top tier forwards for dynamic dmen who contribute O & D.
- isaiah520

What is Schenn going to be? You seem to have him pegged as just a stay at home defenseman. His potential is for far more then that. And obviously if you think that all he is is a stay at home defenseman, then you don't make the deal. You simply can't dismiss Schenn's talent and physical tools.

right out of the gate, calling him a 3rd line winger is a joke, because on most teams he's at least a 2nd liner. schenn is a stay at home guy and plyr like that are available for a lot less $ w/ a lot more exp. trade top tier forwards for dynamic dmen who contribute O & D.
- isaiah520

your talking like schenn is a 10 year vet hes 22 he can develop offensive skill and hes a bruiser the philly fans will love him