So there aren't any moves that can be made between now and then to add to the defense? So I don't see, unless you can look into the future, that the Flyers will be in the same situation. Look at the difference between last year's and this year's team.
- MJL

You forgot that after Timonen leaves... there is ZERO shot of us winning a cup.

i hope he's in the backseat of the next cab you get into.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

I would like to see Kane in the backseat of that Boston female cabbie

I think you're undervaluing Suter.
- bradleyc4

I don't think I am. He's a finesse offensive defenseman who is solid in his own end. Very good on the PP. But he is not at Timonen's level defensively.

I thought Ike Reese did a credible job breaking down the intricacies of the penalty kill.


Listening to WIP for informed hockey talk, is like going to Trenton State Prison for a course on etiquette.
- PLindbergh31

Dan Klecko filling in for Glen and talking hockey the other day made me want to punch a wall. I'm came close to calling in. He talked about how much Ottawa stunk and the fact its horrible the Flyers lost to them.

No.

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Prepare the onslaught
- jak521

I think the 3 year age difference in the players is what would make me lean towards no. If they were the exact same age, I would have to lean towards doing it.

You forgot that after Timonen leaves... there is ZERO shot of us winning a cup.
- jak521

EVER

You forgot that after Timonen leaves... there is ZERO shot of us winning a cup.
- jak521

Maybe Ed Snider should sell the team?

I would like to see Kane in the backseat of that Boston female cabbie
- vejim

you and crim r soulmates

Dan Klecko filling in for Glen and talking hockey the other day made me want to punch a wall. I'm came close to calling in. He talked about how much Ottawa stunk and the fact its horrible the Flyers lost to them.
- nastyflyergirl

LOL @ Dan Klecko....

There is a large consensus that feels Suter has made Weber look better than he is.

Justsayingisall
- jak521

They're just a perfect match. Suter is the puckhandler who can easily bring the puck into the offensive zone and set up a PP. Weber is the big cannon on the other side.

Suter is every bit as good as Kimmo Timonen in every aspect of the game, if not better.

So there aren't any moves that can be made between now and then to add to the defense? So I don't see, unless you can look into the future, that the Flyers will be in the same situation. Look at the difference between last year's and this year's team.
- MJL

In trading JvR for a top dman, I am concerned about now AND the future. We have a boatload of young offensive talent in Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Read, Simmonds, Voracek.

JvR has the kind of value that can bring in a dman of the future for this team and in the current and long term we have the depth offensively to make such a move.

I think your overrating Suter. Suter would be an upgrade over Carle. He isn't as good defensively as Timonen is.
- MJL

i'm with you on not giving up valuable assets for a pending ufa, but i am much higher on suter than you seem to be

i think upgrade on carle is a bit understated. and (as i believe i've made clear here before) i'm a big fan of carle

Maybe Ed Snider should sell the team?
- MJL

he saw 2 cups, he's content

Suter would be our #1 Dman immediately ...You clearly haven't seen him play
- keatondixon

Would you trade Giroux straight up for Weber?
- PLindbergh31

G is going to razor edge you.

I think the 3 year age difference in the players is what would make me lean towards no. If they were the exact same age, I would have to lean towards doing it.
- PLindbergh31

Your serious with this response?

You would trade the best player in the NHL for Weber?

In trading JvR for a top dman, I am concerned about now AND the future. We have a boatload of young offensive talent in Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Read, Simmonds, Voracek.

JvR has the kind of value that can bring in a dman of the future for this team and in the current and long term we have the depth offensively to make such a move.
- Flyers2821

I'm not against trading JVR in the right deal. I'm against trading him for a pending UFA.

Maybe Ed Snider should sell the team?
- MJL

Whose Ed Snider?

They're just a perfect match. Suter is the puckhandler who can easily bring the puck into the offensive zone and set up a PP. Weber is the big cannon on the other side.

Suter is every bit as good as Kimmo Timonen in every aspect of the game, if not better.
- bradleyc4

Ill tell you what.. there was no questioning how important he was on that top d-pairing for the US Olympic team that took the silver...

You forgot that after Timonen leaves... there is ZERO shot of us winning a cup.
- jak521

I didn't say that, but the state of the Flyers defense is such that if Timonen were to leave when his contract is up, they are in some serious trouble on the back end.

Adding a guy who can pick up that slack when Timonen leaves and adding him to Timonen right now is a win win situation in my book. It is giving you a better shot to win now and ensuring yourself a legitimate top dman presence in the future.

I'm not against trading JVR in the right deal. I'm against trading him for a pending UFA.
- MJL

i hope he's in the backseat of the next cab you get into.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

i'd definitely bolt on him. obv can't rely on that cheap bastard to pay the fare

I didn't say that, but the state of the Flyers defense is such that if Timonen were to leave when his contract is up, they are in some serious trouble on the back end.

Adding a guy who can pick up that slack when Timonen leaves and adding him to Timonen right now is a win win situation in my book. It is giving you a better shot to win now and ensuring yourself a legitimate top dman presence in the future.
- Flyers2821

Keeping JVR and signing Suter in Free Agency is a bigger win win.

In trading JvR for a top dman, I am concerned about now AND the future. We have a boatload of young offensive talent in Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Read, Simmonds, Voracek.

JvR has the kind of value that can bring in a dman of the future for this team and in the current and long term we have the depth offensively to make such a move.
- Flyers2821

And what we are saying is why Trade JVR? They can get a top dman in free agency.

This is not the year we win the cup. We all knew this heading in to this season and we all knew that Homer is finally doing the right things and developing a long term contender from within. We all decided we were sick of them dealing away good players.

There is no reason in the world they cant keep everyone and go out and get a major d-man in the off season. They don't need to trade anyone...and they shouldn't trade anyone.

Ill tell you what.. there was no questioning how important he was on that top d-pairing for the US Olympic team that took the silver...
- jak521

Check out how "good" Shea Weber was when Suter missed those dozen games or so last season.