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steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 11 @ 12:05 PM ET
Hadn't read that yet. Not a real shocker though. I wonder/am scared as to what it takes to get him..
- Hextall271


Just bought a JVR Winter Classic jersey
Sink.
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 03.29.2011

Jan 11 @ 12:10 PM ET
Just bought a JVR Winter Classic jersey
- steelydan

I think you're fine. I don't see the Flyers giving up on JVR this quickly. Plus I remember seeing Nashville scouting Read the other month.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jan 11 @ 12:11 PM ET
Just bought a JVR Winter Classic jersey
- steelydan


Thats sux why did you go do that before the trade deadline lol
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jan 11 @ 12:12 PM ET
Just bought a JVR Winter Classic jersey
- steelydan

jvruserious
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jan 11 @ 12:14 PM ET
I gave up with spending emotion on penalties outside of the playoffs a long time ago. Whether you get a bad penalty or not each player to a man needs to be accountable defensively. This gets overlooked because of the scoreboard by the fans and media. Look I like both goalies I could care less at this point who is the starter, except for the fact the Flyers need Bryz to get going otherwise bet throttled by his contract. If these guys aren't going to play tight in front of either goalie forget it. Until then there will be a goalie controversy b/c unless you catch lightning in a bottle with a goalie you aren't getting one that can constantly make up for bad breakdowns like those the Flyers commit.
- JoeRussomanno

Absolutely. I talked about that yesterday with a co worker. Bryz hasnt been good. I will admit that. He needs to vastly step up his game.. But Brian Boucher holds the modern day record for the most consecutive shutouts (5 games).

What does that have to do with anything? Well confidence goes a long with with goalies. If a goalie can get his confidence up and keep it up.. they tend to elevate their play. Early in the season Bryz had an amazing amount of unstopable fluky deflection goals go in.. it was deflating. Then he started to get his confidence up and went on a 12 game tear.. and then the confidence deflated again, and lately, he will look good make some solid saves, and then a fluky goal will be scored, and then he lets up a weak one.. and he has no confidence.

The defense can help that, by preventing break downs like the glaring ones in the winter classic, and last night. When you have faith in your defense, it boosts your play.. same as when you have faith in your goalie..
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 11 @ 12:15 PM ET
I think you're fine. I don't see the Flyers giving up on JVR this quickly. Plus I remember seeing Nashville scouting Read the other month.
- Sink.


Im curious to how much they can get for Suter. They can put the price high but many teams know he will be a UFA at the end of the year. I dont know if I would be willing to trade alot to get him unless I believe I can sign him before he even hits the market.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 11 @ 12:17 PM ET

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steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 11 @ 12:21 PM ET
Thats sux why did you go do that before the trade deadline lol
- Philly1980


Well didn't just buy it, got it for Xmas. Still, Richards jersey is useless; hoping the JVR jersey is still relevant in a few months.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 11 @ 12:22 PM ET
If we had to trade 1 of: JVR, Schenn, or Coots (plus some other parts) to get Weber or Suter, who is the first to go?
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jan 11 @ 12:23 PM ET
Well didn't just buy it, got it for Xmas. Still, Richards jersey is useless; hoping the JVR jersey is still relevant in a few months.
- steelydan



Id try to return it and get a giroux jersey and play it safe.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 11 @ 12:23 PM ET
Just bought a JVR Winter Classic jersey
- steelydan


I just bought a Cooter WC jersey... Can't see him being shipped out.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jan 11 @ 12:24 PM ET
If we had to trade 1 of: JVR, Schenn, or Coots (plus some other parts) to get Weber or Suter, who is the first to go?
- steelydan


I dont move any of those guys unless its for Weber. I would be willing to move JVR first. I think he will be a very good player but Nashville wants a guy who can step in now and I think JVR is alittle more seasoned then the others.
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Jan 11 @ 12:24 PM ET
If we had to trade 1 of: JVR, Schenn, or Coots (plus some other parts) to get Weber or Suter, who is the first to go?
- steelydan


No one--because that's asinine. This team gels well. The D corp is a wreck, but I'm not giving up on any of these young kids so fast just for a playoff push.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jan 11 @ 12:26 PM ET
No one--because that's asinine. This team gels well. The D corp is a wreck, but I'm not giving up on any of these young kids so fast just for a playoff push.
- KGBflyers10

well if weber doesnt sign and they offer sheet him we get 4 1st rounders > JVR... im down lets do it!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 12:28 PM ET
i have a concern with the team and not sure what will happen but danny b is signed for 3 more years after this and nothing against him but after this season i feel our top 3 centers will have to be g, schenn and cooter, moving briere to wing didnt pan out so my question is where does danny b fit on the team after this season?
- mydoglicks



Briere moves to WIng if need be.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 11 @ 12:28 PM ET
No one--because that's asinine. This team gels well. The D corp is a wreck, but I'm not giving up on any of these young kids so fast just for a playoff push.
- KGBflyers10


I don't think it'd be fair to call ANY of the moves as asinine. I'd love to hold onto all 3 as much as the next person. But if Pronger is forced to retire (which is a real possibility with quotes like "Not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel), then a trade for a franchise D-man is a necessary evil. Especially considering Timonen's age...
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 11 @ 12:29 PM ET
Id try to return it and get a giroux jersey and play it safe.
- Philly1980


Ah yes, play it safe. My two Richards jerseys purchased after he signed a million year extension and was named captain say HI!!!!
KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 10.28.2007

Jan 11 @ 12:31 PM ET
I don't think it'd be fair to call ANY of the moves as asinine. I'd love to hold onto all 3 as much as the next person. But if Pronger is forced to retire (which is a real possibility with quotes like "Not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel), then a trade for a franchise D-man is a necessary evil. Especially considering Timonen's age...
- steelydan


And why can't we just wait until free agency?
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jan 11 @ 12:31 PM ET
Ah yes, play it safe. My two Richards jerseys purchased after he signed a million year extension and was named captain say HI!!!!
- Hextall271
Hey ive got a pronger and two blanks...was hoping to get a winter classic on for giroux but they only had xxl.....damn
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 11 @ 12:31 PM ET
Ah yes, play it safe. My two Richards jerseys purchased after he signed a million year extension and was named captain say HI!!!!
- Hextall271


Exactly. And JVR's 6-year extension prompted me to get his jersey...
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jan 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
Exactly. And JVR's 6-year extension prompted me to get his jersey...
- steelydan



it'll be on sale in February for 50 bucks....
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
And why can't we just wait until free agency?
- KGBflyers10


We could. But when has Snider ever struck you a guy who doesn't want to improve come playoff time. I think it's a safe assumption that with this defense, we will likely get bounced in round 1 or 2. With a solid upgrade, it would allow Snider to make another serious run at the cup. Whether or not its illogical, the Flyers won't stand pat come the TDL.

And since we aren't having big numbers coming off the books at the end of this season, I don't think FA will help address the need for a franchise d-man (again, assuming Pronger is done, which isn't a definite).
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jan 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
Absolutely. I talked about that yesterday with a co worker. Bryz hasnt been good. I will admit that. He needs to vastly step up his game.. But Brian Boucher holds the modern day record for the most consecutive shutouts (5 games).

What does that have to do with anything? Well confidence goes a long with with goalies. If a goalie can get his confidence up and keep it up.. they tend to elevate their play. Early in the season Bryz had an amazing amount of unstopable fluky deflection goals go in.. it was deflating. Then he started to get his confidence up and went on a 12 game tear.. and then the confidence deflated again, and lately, he will look good make some solid saves, and then a fluky goal will be scored, and then he lets up a weak one.. and he has no confidence.

The defense can help that, by preventing break downs like the glaring ones in the winter classic, and last night. When you have faith in your defense, it boosts your play.. same as when you have faith in your goalie..

- jak521

steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jan 11 @ 12:36 PM ET
itll be on sale i february for 50 bucks....
- Philly1980


I doubt JVR is really going to go anywhere, BTW. He's already displayed what he can do at the top of his game (looking like a man among boys in the Boston series). The ownership had committed to 6 years with him soon after cleaning out the previous core of the team. Whether or not he's juicy bait for a trade, i would consider him and Giroux as untouchable at this point.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jan 11 @ 12:37 PM ET
Hey ive got a pronger and two blanks...was hoping to get a winter classic on for giroux but they only had xxl.....damn
- Philly1980


I've got a couple Roo jerseys already, so I ended up with a Cooter and Bryz for the WC.
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