shouldn't the numbers be far worse if they played in front of a poor defense? especially the backups? how about you actually watch the games instead of looking at stats on nhl.com
Edit: they were far better at the beginning cause he had a shutout in his second or third start.
- bonzo11

im not looking at stats at nhl.com or I would know where lundqvist was on the list... stop taking criticism as an attack, and stop assuming people that don't have the same stance as you are just stat whores.

Could people on here please quit referring to themselve and their favorite team as "we". "You" are not doing anything.

I like the Flames. "We" do not suck, "they" suck. That is all!
- The-O-G

thank you

Funny how much the media twists poop wow.

All he said was that he basically wants to get paid was his caliber and his point production requires and that he wants to be on a team that can compete for the cup.

Gotta love the media.

well three young roster guys that can make an immediate impact plus a prospect/pick seems like a suiting deal for 1 player... everyone here seems to think its going to take 3 top 6 players plus to get a guy thats never put up 100 points.

I'm not saying Getz isn't a great player, but a 25 goal ceiling isn't exactly elite territory.
- Jay Uller

He has a cup and a 90+ point season under his belt,he sets up his winger,s ala spezza and can snipe when he has too.You are not going to get him for prospects and picks alone.If that where the case iam sure there would be other team,s that could easily trump the list of younger players that the leafs would be willing to give up.

Iam not trying to bash the leafs or their prospects ,but you have to be realistic here .If the leafs had a top flight center do you think they would move him out for winger,s ,pick,s and defensive defensmen.Knowing that you dont have another waiting in the wings that could be just as good maybe better than the one you gave up

Funny how much the media twists poop wow.

All he said was that he basically wants to get paid was his caliber and his point production requires and that he wants to be on a team that can compete for the cup.

Gotta love the media.
- Xcavate

Are you saying next year the Devils can compete for a cup?

If anywhere he goes to (frank)ing Minnesota or a team nearby, if he doesn't think Minny is a contender so he doesn't go there, then he will most likely stay in NJ unless Lou lowballs him or he doesn't think we can contend.

The biggest thing that worries me as a Devils fan is he has absolutely no ties to NJ. There is nothing forcing him to stay here, honestly. He could pull the thank you for drafting me card, but most of the time, unless a player is gotten undrafted, he doesn't have the same amount of loyalty as a player drafted in a high round. His family, Mom and Dad, both live in Minnesota. His girlfriend lives in Minnesota, and he has a house there......

Jvr-giroux-parise......gonna be quite a line next year

Hahaha.......I'm drunk

Are you saying next year the Devils can compete for a cup?
- ShootingSemin

Not compete, but the Devils have the ability too. Like I said before, if anything its Minnesota, unless he has his eyes on a team on a specific top team. Toronto gives him just as much of a chance to win as NJ, quite frankly.

He has a cup and a 90+ point season under his belt,he sets up his winger,s ala spezza and can snipe when he has too.You are not going to get him for prospects and picks alone.If that where the case iam sure there would be other team,s that could easily trump the list of younger players that the leafs would be willing to give up.

Iam not trying to bash the leafs or their prospects ,but you have to be realistic here .If the leafs had a top flight center do you think they would move him out for winger,s ,pick,s and defensive defensmen.Knowing that you dont have another waiting in the wings that could be just as good maybe better than the one you gave up
- top shelf 15

why does everyone bring up the cup? does that put an increase on trade value? lots of guys have cup rings in the nhl, yet it only gets applied to increase trade value when it comes to stars. I didn't offer picks and prospects, i put up three roster players and then a prospect on the side to sweeten the pot. a top 6 center, a developing top 6 winger, and young top 3 defenseman and a prospect is that a bad offer? if so I don't understand why. probably more than Philly got in their trades.

If I had the Ducks top line, you would never hear the word trade escape my lips... But they have mentioned it to the media... which means something is off.

Not compete, but the Devils have the ability too. Like I said before, if anything its Minnesota, unless he has his eyes on a team on a specific top team. Toronto gives him just as much of a chance to win as NJ, quite frankly.
- Xcavate

If he wants a cup soon I think he signs in Detroit or LA. I agree with you if it's more about family.

im not looking at stats at nhl.com or I would know where lundqvist was on the list... stop taking criticism as an attack, and stop assuming people that don't have the same stance as you are just stat whores.
- Jay Uller

well, your entire argument was based on the goalies numbers. just makes me question whether you are watching the games or just basing your opinion off some stats. i don't give a (frank) if you think the defense isn't good.

Funny how much the media twists poop wow.

All he said was that he basically wants to get paid was his caliber and his point production requires and that he wants to be on a team that can compete for the cup.

Gotta love the media.
- Xcavate

That's not what he said. He basically said he want's to get paid and knows he won't get it because of the money tied in Kovalchuk. They asked if he wanted out and he said most definitely. I wouldn't lie about that, it's the truth.

well, your entire argument was based on the goalies numbers. just makes me question whether you are watching the games or just basing your opinion off some stats. i don't give a (frank) if you think the defense isn't good.
- bonzo11

That's not what he said. He basically said he want's to get paid and knows he won't get it because of the money tied in Kovalchuk. They asked if he wanted out and he said most definitely. I wouldn't lie about that, it's the truth.
- weirdoh

*grabs popcorn and a beer*

well, your entire argument was based on the goalies numbers. just makes me question whether you are watching the games or just basing your opinion off some stats. i don't give a (frank) if you think the defense isn't good.
- bonzo11

my entire arguement was you have a top 5 goalie, that skews perceptions ... I then said in both stat categories. that still means you have a top 5 goalie, you were the only one to put numbers up on the subject.

That's not what he said. He basically said he want's to get paid and knows he won't get it because of the money tied in Kovalchuk. They asked if he wanted out and he said most definitely. I wouldn't lie about that, it's the truth.
- weirdoh

What article did you (frank)ing read?

http://www.nj.com/devils/...h_parise_money_matte.html

Where does he say that, or even hint that?

why does everyone bring up the cup? does that put an increase on trade value? lots of guys have cup rings in the nhl, yet it only gets applied to increase trade value when it comes to stars. I didn't offer picks and prospects, i put up three roster players and then a prospect on the side to sweeten the pot. a top 6 center, a developing top 6 winger, and young top 3 defenseman and a prospect is that a bad offer? if so I don't understand why. probably more than Philly got in their trades.

If I had the Ducks top line, you would never hear the word trade escape my lips... But they have mentioned it to the media... which means something is off.
- Jay Uller

Philly had CJ a young first line center that was nhl proven ,that looked like he was ready to take the next step,not to mention Briere another decent center capable of playing top line min,s and moving the team forward.Does ANA have this in their system or on their team currently that would make trading away their top line center feasable?? or would the leafs be providing something along these line ,s in terms of the pieces they are willing to give up??? My guess would be no.Because if they had them they would,nt be looking to aquire Getzlaf then would they???

That's not what he said. He basically said he want's to get paid and knows he won't get it because of the money tied in Kovalchuk. They asked if he wanted out and he said most definitely. I wouldn't lie about that, it's the truth.
- weirdoh

you guys know Marty is coming off the books right? they have 24 million to work with at seasons end... that makes zero sense. Unless Jersey is going to turn into a cap team they have plenty to offer Zach.

What article did you (frank)ing read?

http://www.nj.com/devils/...h_parise_money_matte.html

Where does he say that, or even hint that?
- Xcavate

It was on the New Jersey Devels official website.

Philly had CJ a young first line center that was nhl proven ,that looked like he was ready to take the next step,not to mention Briere another decent center capable of playing top line min,s and moving the team forward.Does ANA have this or would the leafs be providing something along these line ,s in terms of the pieces they are willing to give up my guess would be no.Because if they had them they would,nt be looking to aquire Getzlaf then would they???
- top shelf 15

the reason they are making these trades is for depth because they have nothing after their top line, so yes my proposal satisfies the needs the team said they were looking for. And Colborne is proected as a big top 6 center, so ya, they do.

im not looking at stats at nhl.com or I would know where lundqvist was on the list... stop taking criticism as an attack, and stop assuming people that don't have the same stance as you are just stat whores.
- Jay Uller

whores, when did we get whores? and how come nobody told me

If Parise is a UFA after this year, and he isn't happy, then all he has to do is leave in the summer?

Why signifcantly weaken the team he is going to by allowing a trade.

On the other hand, I guess he could agree to a trade with a contender this year, not caring about what futures they have to give up. He would only do that though if he was not sure he would re-sign.

... and if he is not sure he will re-sign, why would any team give up anywhere near what NJ would want for him as a rental?

He either re-signs or he walks in the summer is my guess
or Parise for Bobby Ryan?
or Parise for Suter+high pick?

What article did you (frank)ing read?

http://www.nj.com/devils/...h_parise_money_matte.html

Where does he say that, or even hint that?
- Xcavate

It was on the New Jersey Devels official website.
- weirdoh

Sure......

If anything you cant find a way to somehow twist this poop into something.....

He knows how much fun I’m having and how much I like Pete (DeBoer) as a coach.”

J.P. was also quoted as saying: “He's overly loyal, and he's not going to rush into anything. He's always loved the New Jersey Devils. He's been extremely loyal to the organization, to his teammates. But this is business now.”

Zach smiled.

“That,” he said, “is true.”

But, I really like to read this:

He (J.P.) knows how much fun I’m having and how much I like Pete (DeBoer) as a coach.”

If Parise is a UFA after this year, and he isn't happy, then all he has to do is leave in the summer?

Why signifcantly weaken the team he is going to by allowing a trade.

On the other hand, I guess he could agree to a trade with a contender this year, not caring about what futures they have to give up. He would only do that though if he was not sure he would re-sign.

... and if he is not sure he will re-sign, why would any team give up anywhere near what NJ would want for him as a rental?

He either re-signs or he walks in the summer is my guess
or Parise for Bobby Ryan?
or Parise for Suter+high pick?
- GoneFullRetard