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huks99
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Austin, TX
Joined: 10.05.2007

Aug 15 @ 7:13 PM ET
wow, Eskin stepping down from his 3-7 slot to pursue national gigs.
- nastyflyergirl



I never really liked his, I'm smarter than you attitude and also his negative slant on things---that said, I really haven't listened to him in over 10 years----I assume he really hasn't changed!!!
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Aug 15 @ 7:19 PM ET
Off topic - any of you have advice on Phillies seats? Any sections to avoid? Any thoughts on best value? Never been to CBP.

Thinking of coming up for the 8/27 game, and StubHub seems to have lots of tix. Looking at some Terrace level seats that seem to be a decent price...

- BringBack25

You can't go wrong sitting between the bases at 215-232, 315-332, or 415-432 (I think it is hard to see the game down at the 100 level unless you are fairly far back in the sections). And you get a view of the scoreboards and the big screen from any of those seats.

Then left field 142-145 or 241-245 is not bad, you can still see much of the game from the 100 level and all from the 200 level out there, but the big screen is behind you. Right field 100 level is awful. You can't see anything in right or center field behind the infield unless you're in the first few rows. But right field upstairs 201-210 or 301-310 level is good for seeing the game, but not the scoreboard. Left field 233-237, 330-333, and 431-434 are much like the right field upper level but you can't see the big screen very well as you get farther out.

Try not to sit in the last row of a section in the 100 or 300 level because the standing room people will talk about anything but the game and spill beer on you all night. They're having loads of fun. You and the young-un may not.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 15 @ 7:24 PM ET
Source? Granted they would have had virtual no wiggle room for extra forwards or injury call ups, they could have signed Bryz and kept both Carter and Richards if they wanted to. Unless you talked to Holmgren personally, we have no way of knowing this or if Snider and Co actually had a say in the trades.
- dunnermon12


They don't really have a lot of wiggle room right now, even after trading them.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Aug 15 @ 7:26 PM ET
To Everyone:

Just asking what your biggest surprise this year will be.

Mine, Briere scoring 40 goals.

- DrMidnite

Schenn getting 50 points
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 15 @ 7:28 PM ET
Source? Granted they would have had virtual no wiggle room for extra forwards or injury call ups, they could have signed Bryz and kept both Carter and Richards if they wanted to. Unless you talked to Holmgren personally, we have no way of knowing this or if Snider and Co actually had a say in the trades.
- dunnermon12


There is no source. It's my opinion formed from the facts that I know, and my belief on why the trades were made. Yes, they could have signed Bryzgalov and kept Carter and Richards. Snider runs the team, I think it's a pretty safe bet that he was involved on some level on the moves. I don't need to talk to Holmgren personally to come to an informed opinion rather than the other reasons that are given based on rumor and speculation.
dunnermon12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 09.06.2007

Aug 15 @ 7:44 PM ET
There is no source. It's my opinion formed from the facts that I know, and my belief on why the trades were made. Yes, they could have signed Bryzgalov and kept Carter and Richards. Snider runs the team, I think it's a pretty safe bet that he was involved on some level on the moves. I don't need to talk to Holmgren personally to come to an informed opinion rather than the other reasons that are given based on rumor and speculation.
- MJL


Meh. I don't buy into all the media bs either, but I think to completely discount any of it is ignorant. So it is a fact if there was no salary cap, Carter and Richards would still be Flyers? There's no way to prove that, it's just your opinion.
dunnermon12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 09.06.2007

Aug 15 @ 7:48 PM ET
They don't really have a lot of wiggle room right now, even after trading them.
- Jsaquella


no, I realize this. But if they REALLY wanted to keep Carter & Richards, and sign Bryz, they could have done it. Just would have had to move/waive different players on the roster.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Aug 15 @ 7:52 PM ET
Thanks for all the CBP seating info folks. Much appreciated.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 15 @ 7:53 PM ET
Meh. I don't buy into all the media bs either, but I think to completely discount any of it is ignorant. So it is a fact if there was no salary cap, Carter and Richards would still be Flyers? There's no way to prove that, it's just your opinion.
- dunnermon12


I never offered it as a fact, only as my opinion. An informed opinion based on the facts that are known. Discounting unfounded rumors and speculation isn't ignorant. What's ignorant is to trash a player based on rumors and unfounded speculation.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Aug 15 @ 7:57 PM ET
Meh. I don't buy into all the media bs either, but I think to completely discount any of it is ignorant. So it is a fact if there was no salary cap, Carter and Richards would still be Flyers? There's no way to prove that, it's just your opinion.
- dunnermon12

There is no way anyone should close the door for any reason as to why Richards and Carter were traded.

-We traded away one of the best two way forwards in the NHL today. Maybe even the most dangerous shorthanded
-We traded away a former goal scorer and a player who consistently reaches 30 from one season to the next.
-We traded away the 2 faces of the franchise and leaders.
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Aug 15 @ 7:58 PM ET
I never offered it as a fact, only as my opinion. An informed opinion based on the facts that are known. Discounting unfounded rumors and speculation isn't ignorant. What's ignorant is to trash a player based on rumors and unfounded speculation.
- MJL

Who's trashing Richards and Carter??
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:04 PM ET
Who's trashing Richards and Carter??
- Schenn2shine


The bars and clubs that will no longer benefit from the business they once brought in during the season.
dunnermon12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 09.06.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:07 PM ET
I never offered it as a fact, only as my opinion. An informed opinion based on the facts that are known. Discounting unfounded rumors and speculation isn't ignorant. What's ignorant is to trash a player based on rumors and unfounded speculation.
- MJL


Yup, it is ignorant to trash a player based on rumors and unfounded speculation.
dunnermon12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 09.06.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:11 PM ET
There is no way anyone should close the door for any reason as to why Richards and Carter were traded.

-We traded away one of the best two way forwards in the NHL today. Maybe even the most dangerous shorthanded
-We traded away a former goal scorer and a player who consistently reaches 30 from one season to the next.
-We traded away the 2 faces of the franchise and leaders.

- Schenn2shine


I definitely agree. And I'm talking about how you can't discount the locker room issues, not the BS young, rich guys drinking "problems".
Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Aug 15 @ 8:18 PM ET
I definitely agree. And I'm talking about how you can't discount the locker room issues, not the BS young, rich guys drinking "problems".
- dunnermon12

I never said otherwise

But in my opinion Richards and Carter were worse then a locker room cancer, they were locker room aids and they drank way too much. Sometimes in the locker room...
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:21 PM ET
I definitely agree. And I'm talking about how you can't discount the locker room issues, not the BS young, rich guys drinking "problems".
- dunnermon12


There absolutely was locker room issues. There has to be when a team crashes like that from the top of the NHL to mediocrity and being swept out of the playoffs weakly. That atmosphere creates locker room issues. It's expected. If there wasn't locker room issues, then there would really be an issue, because that would mean no one gave a poop.
dunnermon12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 09.06.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:44 PM ET
There absolutely was locker room issues. There has to be when a team crashes like that from the top of the NHL to mediocrity and being swept out of the playoffs weakly. That atmosphere creates locker room issues. It's expected. If there wasn't locker room issues, then there would really be an issue, because that would mean no one gave a poop.
- MJL


Yeah, there has seemed to be a myriad of locker room issues, not just the damaged psyche of going from the Cup Finals to a terrible playoff showing. Their lack of consistency and inability to play a full 60mins at a time has been going on for years now, and a large part of that blame has to be placed on Mike Richards. It'll definitely be interesting to see how the team responds on the ice.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:44 PM ET
He is the biggest ?? to me. I could see him take a step back, or 2 forward. Just have a gut feeling.
- jak521



wait so your gut feeling is he might be better and he might be worse

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:46 PM ET
I never said otherwise

But in my opinion Richards and Carter were worse then a locker room cancer, they were locker room aids and they drank way too much. Sometimes in the locker room...

- Schenn2shine

Locker room aids?
what does that mean?
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:47 PM ET
To Everyone:

Just asking what your biggest surprise this year will be.

Mine, Briere scoring 40 goals.

- DrMidnite

JvR making the all star team
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:47 PM ET
I never said otherwise

But in my opinion Richards and Carter were worse then a locker room cancer, they were locker room aids and they drank way too much. Sometimes in the locker room...

- Schenn2shine



Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:49 PM ET

- Don'tForgetTocchet

so you understand what S2S means by locker room aids?
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Aug 15 @ 8:49 PM ET
JvR making the all star team
- Marc D


I really hope he does, and runs wild at the Winter Classic.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 15 @ 8:53 PM ET
Yeah, there has seemed to be a myriad of locker room issues, not just the damaged psyche of going from the Cup Finals to a terrible playoff showing. Their lack of consistency and inability to play a full 60mins at a time has been going on for years now, and a large part of that blame has to be placed on Mike Richards. It'll definitely be interesting to see how the team responds on the ice.
- dunnermon12


Mike Richards as Captain and a top player on the team, certainly deserves his share of the blame. But so do the other top players and leaders on the team. For whatever reason, when they built up the big lead and were a top team in the middle of the Season, they put it on cruise control, and built up so many bad habits and got in such a rut that they couldn't get out of it.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Aug 15 @ 8:55 PM ET
I really hope he does, and runs wild at the Winter Classic.
- DrMidnite

Jvr, Briere, Giroux, and to a lesser extent Jagr and Voracek have to carry the scoring load now. If any of those guys get hurt or under performs they might have trouble making the playoffs.
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