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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 8:03 AM ET
I too liked MacLean, but he was forced (by the Owner) to take on Cameron as one of his assistants............the same guy the Owner wanted to be Head coach.

The writing was on the wall from the get go, and MacLean was never given 100% support from Management, it was like he was on probation once he became the Coach.

To be fair though, Maclean did not use his roster to it's full advantage, in my opinion. Bobby Ryan was never given a chance to be on the first PP unit since he became a Senator, and that too might have factored into the reasoning to let him go.
- Doppleganger


That's why he signed a 3 year deal in July 2013.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 9 @ 9:45 AM ET
That's why he signed a 3 year deal in July 2013.
- Pecafan Fan


If you were handed a 3 year contract to sign, would you refuse to sign it?

Nominated for the Jack Adams twice , winning it once. Made the playoffs twice, wining one series (vs Habs) perhaps he felt he earned a new Contract.






But, after that, he lost Gonchar and Alfredsson and the next summer Spezza was traded away, setting back the re-build a season or two.

Murray has to shoulder some of the blame for this team's poor play, but he was not going to fire himself, so I think at the urging of the owner he had to promote Dave Cameron, who the owner wanted as head coach when MacLean was hired.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 9:49 AM ET
If you were handed a 3 year contract to sign, would you refuse to sign it?

Nominated for the Jack Adams twice , winning it once. Made the playoffs twice, wining one series (vs Habs) perhaps he felt he earned a new Contract.
- Doppleganger


So how can you say "The writing was on the wall from the get go, and MacLean was never given 100% support from Management" ???

Isn't that a bit contradictory?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 9 @ 10:09 AM ET
So how can you say "The writing was on the wall from the get go, and MacLean was never given 100% support from Management" ???

Isn't that a bit contradictory?
- Pecafan Fan



The GM hires MacLean, but the owner wants the former Coach of his OHL team to be one of the assistants (after he was not chosen for the job).

How would you describe that scenario?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 10:21 AM ET
The GM hires MacLean, but the owner wants the former Coach of his OHL team to be one of the assistants (after he was not chosen for the job).

How would you describe that scenario?
- Doppleganger


Why did Melnyk agreed to sign a 3 year extension, considering it's been reported times and times again that the Sens are in a bit of a funk, financially speaking?




My thoughts are that Maclean's head got bigger than the team, started to single out players and look honestly clueless in interviews (saying he was as scared of his own team than their opponent).

He lost the room because he became an arrogant Richardface.

And then he got fired, because the players quit on him.






Not because Melnyk wanted his buddy to coach his team.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 9 @ 10:30 AM ET
Why did Melnyk agreed to sign a 3 year extension, considering it's been reported times and times again that the Sens are in a bit of a funk, financially speaking?
- Pecafan Fan


Did you miss the part when I posted that he was nominated for the Jack Adams twice, winning it once in his first two seasons as coach?

Did you forget I posted that his team made the playoffs in his first two seasons, and making it past the Habs into the second round in the 2012 13 season, and was then offered a 3 year extension?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 9 @ 10:36 AM ET
Nick Ritchie is having a pretty good season
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 10:44 AM ET
Did you miss the part when I posted that he was nominated for the Jack Adams twice, winning it once in his first two seasons as coach?

Did you forget I posted that his team made the playoffs in his first two seasons, and making it past the Habs into the second round in the 2012 13 season, and was then offered a 3 year extension?
- Doppleganger


So how was the writing was on the wall from the get go???

You understand how stupid that statement sounds?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 9 @ 10:45 AM ET
So how was the writing was on the wall from the get go???

You understand how stupid that statement sounds?
- Pecafan Fan

Because he was awesome!
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 10:54 AM ET
Because he was awesome!
- Feeling Glucky?


He was awesome, gets a 3 year contract, then acts like a jerk and gets fired.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006
Dec 9 @ 11:20 AM ET
So how was the writing was on the wall from the get go???

You understand how stupid that statement sounds?
- Pecafan Fan



Did you understand how stupid your question was, when you asked why did MacLean sign a three year contract extension?
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011
Dec 9 @ 11:33 AM ET
Did you understand how stupid your question was, when you asked why did MacLean sign a three year contract extension?
- Doppleganger


It appears he was asking more along the lines of why was he offered one if the writing was on the wall.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007
Dec 9 @ 11:38 AM ET
tough times in ottawa
real tough
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 11:41 AM ET
Did you understand how stupid your question was, when you asked why did MacLean sign a three year contract extension?
- Doppleganger


My point was, if the writing was on the wall, why did the Sens owner offer him a 3 year deal only to fire him 25 games into his new deal?


Oh, right... forgot how terrible the Sens management and ownership is. Sorry.
Mr_Squeaks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Location: Location: Glitch in
Joined: 06.26.2006
Dec 9 @ 12:14 PM ET
My point was, if the writing was on the wall, why did the Sens owner offer him a 3 year deal only to fire him 25 games into his new deal?


Oh, right... forgot how terrible the Sens management and ownership is. Sorry.
- Pecafan Fan


He was given his new contract based on performance, and was fired for the same reason. I don't know what writing was on the wall as I've never actually seen this wall everyone keeps referring to...
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 9 @ 12:20 PM ET
He was given his new contract based on performance, and was fired for the same reason. I don't know what writing was on the wall as I've never actually seen this wall everyone keeps referring to...
- Mr_Squeaks

It's in Berlin
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008
Dec 9 @ 12:22 PM ET
It's in Berlin
- Feeling Glucky?


i think its just in dopplerradars basement.. he just scribbles nonsensical stuff on his basement wall..then refers to it on HB as proof
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 12:26 PM ET
He was given his new contract based on performance, and was fired for the same reason. I don't know what writing was on the wall as I've never actually seen this wall everyone keeps referring to...
- Mr_Squeaks



Yeah, I agree with you.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 9 @ 12:29 PM ET
i think its just in dopplerradars basement.. he just scribbles nonsensical stuff on his basement wall..then refers to it on HB as proof
- senstroll

you mean spasto's?
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 9 @ 12:32 PM ET


Yeah, I agree with you.
- Pecafan Fan

They gutted the team. Spend (frank) all on their roster. Trade away their top line and wonder why the coach became frustrated?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 12:33 PM ET
They gutted the team. Spend (frank) all on their roster. Trade away their top line and wonder why the coach became frustrated?
- Cape Breton Bruins



I know. They're a mess.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008
Dec 9 @ 12:35 PM ET
They gutted the team. Spend (frank) all on their roster. Trade away their top line and wonder why the coach became frustrated?
- Cape Breton Bruins

6 coaches in 8 years.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 9 @ 12:36 PM ET


I know. They're a mess.
- Pecafan Fan

They had something to build on two years ago. It seems like they are always starting over.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009
Dec 9 @ 12:36 PM ET
6 coaches in 8 years.
- Feeling Glucky?


And I thought the habs were terrible at this.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008
Dec 9 @ 12:37 PM ET
6 coaches in 8 years.
- Feeling Glucky?

Yeah that's insane. No patience at all from Melynk. Hey (frank) o maybe invest some money on an NHL roster. I can't envision any coach getting anymore out of that squad then Maclean did.
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