I think it really depends on what his asking/perceived contract value is going to be.

When Willy was on a cheap deal, I think his value was much higher than Marner's. Now, I would still give the edge to Willy, because he's a gamer in the playoffs and can score goals, which are valued higher than assists around the league.
- gravyface

Willy was good in the games he played.

But next year we’re going to be paying a defensively awful winger to put up 70-80 pts 11.5M, and hope he scores goals in the playoffs.

Willy tried to round out his game, he tried playing more physical. But he got hurt because of it, so you can bet anything he’ll go back to being perimeter Willy and never sniff 100pts again.

Uggh I feel you - the fridge game is a (frank)ing racket. Planned obsolescence.

It's the one time I buy an extended warranty b/c I'm so certain the thing will (frank) up within 5 yrs.
- The Law

I did shell out for the 5 year extended so that might be a good investment.

Now for the sake of discussion.

Do you actually want Tavares on a new contract past this year?

Even if he takes a significan paycut (let's say he agrees to 7M per season), he's a player that's obviously slowing down and isn't going to help you much at 5 on 5, could even be switched to a winger to compensate for his lack of speed.

Is that really how you want to spend that money? Wouldn't the leafs be better off targeting another player instead?

I'm not saying he should leave, he's still a good player. But I think the Leafs definetely need to consider their options with the Snake.
- Scabeh

What if he takes a sizeable discount? Like 2-3M less than FA market value?

I'd argue Giroux is the market value for him. cap percentage wise.

Now for the sake of discussion.

Do you actually want Tavares on a new contract past this year?

Even if he takes a significan paycut (let's say he agrees to 7M per season), he's a player that's obviously slowing down and isn't going to help you much at 5 on 5, could even be switched to a winger to compensate for his lack of speed.

Is that really how you want to spend that money? Wouldn't the leafs be better off targeting another player instead?

I'm not saying he should leave, he's still a good player. But I think the Leafs definetely need to consider their options with the Snake.
- Scabeh

The home town discount has to be deeeeeep. I'm talking like 3M max.

They couldn't afford "the right type of players", BECAUSE of what the core made.
- oldstyle

Which was because of what they gave Tavares.

This team veered off the path and Leafs fans cheered. They were wrong, as they usually are.

Just like they're wrong now about getting rid of their best players in their prime years instead of correcting actual mistake which was Tavares.

Matthews had just as many goals.

So...

Two guys created an excuse for themselves and missed games, so they get a pass?

No.

Matthews, Marner and Nylander are all important. They all stay.

Tavares is the one to go. End of story.
- Rare_Jewel

I never said Matthews was worth his money in the playoffs either. He isnt.
But hes already signed
So marners out.

The home town discount has to be deeeeeep. I'm talking like 3M max.
- fifty__missions

Dude c'mon.

Cap is going up so much, have to take that into account.

The home town discount has to be deeeeeep. I'm talking like 3M max.
- fifty__missions

Well a hometown discount is a possibility.

But 3M for John Tavares sounds unlikely.

It's the core. Not the surrounding cast. Brendan admitted it today. Get with the program.
- fifty__missions

Marner is a supporting player.

Matthews is the main guy.

Without Marner they’re not a playoff team.

Now for the sake of discussion.

Do you actually want Tavares on a new contract past this year?

Even if he takes a significan paycut (let's say he agrees to 7M per season), he's a player that's obviously slowing down and isn't going to help you much at 5 on 5, could even be switched to a winger to compensate for his lack of speed.

Is that really how you want to spend that money? Wouldn't the leafs be better off targeting another player instead?

I'm not saying he should leave, he's still a good player. But I think the Leafs definetely need to consider their options with the Snake.
- Scabeh

4.5M x 5 years I could live with. I think he'd be a fine 3C option, but stripped of his captaincy.

And his footspeed has been slow his entire career, so I don't really see him slowing down that much more.

Uggh I feel you - the fridge game is a (frank)ing racket. Planned obsolescence.

It's the one time I buy an extended warranty b/c I'm so certain the thing will (frank) up within 5 yrs.
- The Law

Yep… esp in Cali with the gelding gruesome newsom trying to outlaw … basically everything under the sun…

I had to search high and low for an old fridge ..I finally found one
at an estate sale in Pasadena… Thing is bulletproof- it does the one thing I ask, keeps things cold, and freezes… 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻😎😎😎💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻 And you can work on it…I’ll keep it till I take a dirt nap….💤

(frank), my LG fridge I bought in 2019 is now dead cause of an internal leak that cannot be repaired
- dmnted

That's what happens when you offshore manufacturing for increased short term profit. Peak capitalism at work. Enjoy.

Marner is a supporting player.

Matthews is the main guy.

Without Marner they’re not a playoff team.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Matthews is good enough to elevate those around him; he doesn't need Marner, he's looked great playing with Domi and Bertuzzi before he got hurt.

Dude c'mon.

Cap is going up so much, have to take that into account.
- Santo_44

No thank you. His skating, which is not great now, is going to get worse and could fall right off a cliff.

4.5M x 5 years I could live with. I think he'd be a fine 3C option, but stripped of his captaincy.

And his footspeed has been slow his entire career, so I don't really see him slowing down that much more.
- gravyface

Giroux's cap percentage was 7.88%

in a 92M salary cap that is around 7.2M.

5-5.5M would be great.

No thank you. His skating, which is not great now, is it going to get worse and could fall off a cliff.
- fifty__missions

His skating has never been good.

Which was because of what they gave Tavares.

This team veered off the path and Leafs fans cheered. They were wrong, as they usually are.

Just like they're wrong now about getting rid of their best players in their prime years instead of correcting actual mistake which was Tavares.
- Rare_Jewel

Ffs
The team didnt veer off anything....the cap did.
Thats it. Thats all. End of story.
Covid came and froze the cap.
Had it not, the cap would have gone up by 3-4 million per year and the leafs would have been fine.

What if he takes a sizeable discount? Like 2-3M less than FA market value?

I'd argue Giroux is the market value for him. cap percentage wise.
- Santo_44

It's somewhat of a comparable but Giroux is actually older and with inflation... I think 7M would be a very reasonable deal for Tavares considering the potential market for him as a free agent.

Giroux's cap percentage was 7.88%

in a 92M salary cap that is around 7.2M.

5-5.5M would be great.
- Santo_44

Yeah, sounds about right.

If it was Nylander for Karlsson ....thank God he said no.
- The Law

Considering the trash SJ took back in the deal with pitts I dont think that was the deal

I’m a big Nylander fan but Marner is the better of the two imo. I’m pretty sure every gm in the league would take marner over Willy.
Wasn’t he voted to the first team allstar two years in a row? He’s pretty much penciled in for a 100 points a year.

It's somewhat of a comparable but Giroux is actually older and with inflation... I think 7M would be a very reasonable deal for Tavares considering the potential market for him as a free agent.
- Scabeh

That is reasonable

He will have to take less than reasonable if he wants to remain a leaf and keep his family and kids here

Marner is a supporting player.

Matthews is the main guy.

Without Marner they’re not a playoff team.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Gtfo with this bullpoop.

Actually now that I think about it, you're right. He's not a core player - he just makes core $. Which still makes him part of the core.

I never said Matthews was worth his money in the playoffs either. He isnt.
But hes already signed
So marners out.
- Fakepartofme

That makes absolutely no sense because Tavares' contract expires at the exact same time. Tavares should be out, not Marner. The Tavares expiration and Marner contract would leave the Leafs with at least 9-10 AAV available which is more than enough to either sign a D or more top-six players to replace and add to what Tavares brought.

And good luck to Matthews score 60-70 goals without his set-up man. You want to be paying Matthews 13 AAV to down to scoring 40? Marner is not accepting a trade and if he walks for free as a UFA the Leafs are complete morons.

Either get Tavares to waive his NMC now or wait him out and let him walk next year. Keep your best players, sign better UFAs and don't waste it all on another Tavares signing.

I never said Matthews was worth his money in the playoffs either. He isnt.
But hes already signed
So marners out.
- Fakepartofme

You can say it all you want, but it doesn’t make it true.

At some point you’ll eventually realize you’re wrong.

And you and Santo Phelps is a marriage I never saw coming.