since i went down this rabbit hole

CF has a colum for how the player was aquired.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/bruins

The Bruins impact players are all 2017 (swayman) and back.
The leafs actually have more recent success with Knies, Homberg and Robertson

now you can massage "impact player" however you want. but the Bruins drafting has kinda sucked. and I looked it up, they rank near the bottom of the league in Team prospect ranking
- senstroll

Because the Bruins don't have prospects for very long, they have NHL players.

The Leafs have prospects that never do poop for the Leafs.

Fred Gauthier? Verhaeghe? Oh, he is but for somebody else.
Travis Dermott? Failure of a trade down scenario.
Bracco? Another failure.
Korshkov? One game, one goal, NHL career over.
Grundstrom? 4th liner somewhere else.
Liljegren? Effectively a bust bottom pair D.
Rasanen? Nothing.
Sandin? Thrown away, effectively a bust.
Durzi? Bottom pair somewhere else.
Robertson? Effectively a bust.
Kokkonen? Nothing.
Hirvonen? Nothing.
Niemela? Nothing.

Matthew Knies is the only decent player drafted outside of the lottery picks that has contributed in any kind of significant way in 10 years of drafting. That's horrid.

You look at the team that just beat us...

Pasta drafted 25th overall in 2014. In the NHL immediately for 2014/2015. Now a 60 goal, 100 point player. Top-six player in 2 years.

McAvoy drafted 14th overall, 2016. In the NHL immediately for 2016/2017 playoffs. Top-four D the next season.

DeBrusk drafted 14th overall 2015. In the NHL full time by 2017.

Carlo drafted 2nd round 2015, full time NHL by 2016.

Lohrei, Beecher, Frederic, Heinen...all drafted in the past few years, all on the Bruins full time and contributing.

Where are the Leafs equivalents? The Leafs suck balls at drafting and developing players that aren't lottery picks.

The have Knies and Liljegren to show for their drafting the past 10 years.

You act as if you can't look this stuff up.
- Rare_Jewel

Well the leafs were drafting in the top 10 at that time not 20-30th
AM, MM and WN were the result

anyways. Boston hasnt won anything during that time. some playoff success, but its not won them a cup either

Well the leafs were drafting in the top 10 at that time not 20-30th
AM, MM and WN were the result

anyways. Boston hasnt won anything during that time. some playoff success, but its not won them a cup either
- senstroll

I have heard that argument before lol.

AM, Marner and Willy don't count because they were high draft picks.

Then they ignore the fact that they don't have a 1st beyond those high draft picks.

Because the Bruins don't have prospects for very long, they have NHL players.

The Leafs have prospects that never do poop for the Leafs.
- Rare_Jewel

not in the past 8 drafts.

im not seeing why you are gaga over the Bruins drafting.

10 years ago..cool. but not since

Well the leafs were drafting in the top 10 at that time not 20-30th
AM, MM and WN were the result

anyways. Boston hasnt won anything during that time. some playoff success, but its not won them a cup either
- senstroll

The Leafs drafted a few lottery picks then starting throwing away 1st round picks for deadline veterans that didn't do poop. And then followed that up by missing on the majority of their 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks after that.

And if the Leafs had the Bruins depth and blueline plus their lottery picks, where would they be? Probably a lot better off right? Right.

Because the Bruins don't have prospects for very long, they have NHL players.

The Leafs have prospects that never do poop for the Leafs.
- Rare_Jewel

Wait what? The leafs got a bounty of players from their prospects. Matthews, Kadri, woll, rielly, marner, Nylander, McMann, Robertson, knies. All have played various roles.

Like do you expect every single draft pick to be a superstar year 1? Like come on. As a fan base we have had plenty of guys come through the system and they continue to do so.

The Leafs drafted a few lottery picks then starting throwing away 1st round picks for deadline veterans that didn't do poop. And then followed that up by missing on the majority of their 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks after that.

And if the Leafs had the Bruins depth and blueline plus their lottery picks, where would they be? Probably a lot better off right? Right.
- Rare_Jewel

they drafted Mathews and then had a 1st in the next 3/4 Drafts.
the 1 1st they used to get Muzzin...which was pretty good

anyways..I cant anymore with your Broons luv

I have heard that argument before lol.

AM, Marner and Willy don't count because they were high draft picks.

Then they ignore the fact that they don't have a 1st beyond those high draft picks.
- Santo_44

Lol high draft picks dont count? So yakupov was a big hit right? What about gudbranson? Nolan Patrick is lighting it up! Lol more goal post moving.

they drafted Mathews and then had a 1st in the next 3/4 Drafts.
the 1 1st they used to get Muzzin...which was pretty good

anyways..I cant anymore with your Broons luv
- senstroll

Muzzin was pretty good?

High as a kite on the blue and white paint.

Muzzin was pretty good?

High as a kite on the blue and white paint.
- Rare_Jewel

The first years of his time in Toronto? Muzzin was excellent.

And I ain't touching that paint sir.

not in the past 8 drafts.

im not seeing why you are gaga over the Bruins drafting.

10 years ago..cool. but not since
- senstroll

Because the Leafs have absolutely sucked at drafting non-lottery picks the past 10 years and it has been to a massive detriment to the depth and playoff success of the team.

How gaga were you over all those busted picks that helped the Leafs win nothing at all?

to be fair, Heinen was traded and bounce around and is back with the Bruins on a league minimal deal but was still drafted by the Bruins.

The first years of his time in Toronto? Muzzin was excellent.

And I ain't touching that paint sir.
- Scabeh

The Leafs got a slow ass player past his prime, who played 50% of the time, gave him too much money, for too long and got nothing except LTIR cap space from it.

The Leafs got a slow ass player past his prime, who played 50% of the time, gave him too much money, for too long and got nothing except LTIR cap space from it.
- Rare_Jewel

You know if you hate the whole organization you can simply choose a new one to like right? You aren't beholden to this.

The Leafs got a slow ass player past his prime, who played 50% of the time, gave him too much money, for too long and got nothing except LTIR cap space from it.
- Rare_Jewel

poop happens man

Wait what? The leafs got a bounty of players from their prospects. Matthews, Kadri, woll, rielly, marner, Nylander, McMann, Robertson, knies. All have played various roles.

Like do you expect every single draft pick to be a superstar year 1? Like come on. As a fan base we have had plenty of guys come through the system and they continue to do so.
- Aaron_85

Not talking about lottery picks. McMann wasn't drafted. And his career MO is that he's always been injured. Very much like Woll. Good player but always hurt. Robertson is nothing special and again, usually injured.

The Leafs don't have to draft superstars with every single pick. But they can't draft total busts and non-factor players either. They need guys who provide depth, help on the blueline, a goalie; guys that help the star players win playoff games and series.

Look at the list again if you missed it the first time.

Fred Gauthier? Verhaeghe? Oh, he is but for somebody else.
Travis Dermott? Failure of a trade down scenario.
Bracco? Another failure.
Korshkov? One game, one goal, NHL career over.
Grundstrom? 4th liner somewhere else.
Liljegren? Effectively a bust bottom pair D.
Rasanen? Nothing.
Sandin? Thrown away, effectively a bust.
Durzi? Bottom pair somewhere else.
Holmberg? 4th liner.
Robertson? Effectively a bust.
Kokkonen? Nothing.
Hirvonen? Nothing.
Niemela? Nothing.

I'm not asking for superstars. We already have a couple of those. But would it be so crazy to ask from Shanahan in 10 years maybe some depth? A top-four RHD?

Matthew Knies is the only decent player drafted outside of the lottery picks that has consistently contributed in any kind of significant way without being perpetually injured in 10 years of drafting. That's horrid.

You look at the team that just beat the Leafs by comparison...

Pasta drafted 25th overall in 2014. In the NHL immediately for 2014/2015. Top-six player in 2 years. Now a 60 goal, 100 point player. A little better than Fred Gautheir wouldn't you say?

Swayman, 2017. When was the last time the Leafs drafted and developed a starting goalie who played a full season and the playoffs without getting injured?

McAvoy drafted 14th overall, 2016. In the NHL immediately for 2016/2017 playoffs. Top-four D the next season. When was the last time the Leafs drafted a top pair RHD?

DeBrusk drafted 14th overall 2015. In the NHL full time by 2017.

Carlo drafted 2nd round 2015, full time NHL by 2016. When was the last time the Leafs drafted a top-four D in the 2nd round?

Donato 2nd round, 2014. Turned him into Coyle. Didn't lose that trade. When was the last time the Leafs traded a 2nd round pick prospect into a solid two-way center that wasn't a short term deadline day rental?

Lohrei, Beecher, Frederic, Heinen...all drafted in the past few years, all on the Bruins full time and contributing.

Where are the Leafs equivalents? The Leafs suck balls at drafting and developing players that aren't lottery picks but wonder why their superstar players have no support from within the system.

Because the Leafs have absolutely sucked at drafting non-lottery picks the past 10 years and it has been to a massive detriment to the depth and playoff success of the team.

How gaga were you over all those busted picks that helped the Leafs win nothing at all?
- Rare_Jewel

I'm not saying the leafs have been great. They are middle of the pack. Just they Boston hasn't been better.

It's not that complicated

I'm not saying the leafs have been great. They are middle of the pack. Just they Boston hasn't been better.

It's not that complicated
- senstroll

You're right, it's not complicated. The Bruins are better at drafting, developing and coaching their prospects so they actually become NHL players who then beat the Leafs in the playoffs every time they meet. It is indeed very simple.

You're right, it's not complicated. The Bruins are better at drafting, developing and coaching their prospects so they actually become NHL players who then beat the Leafs in the playoffs every time they meet. It is indeed very simple.
- Rare_Jewel

Is this a bruins fan

But anyone with an unbiased look wouldn't say they are better at drafting.

Both teams are pretty unspectacular

But you keep expanding the goal posts. [/img]

Not talking about lottery picks. McMann wasn't drafted. And his career MO is that he's always been injured. Very much like Woll. Good player but always hurt. Robertson is nothing special and again, usually injured.

The Leafs don't have to draft superstars with every single pick. But they can't draft total busts and non-factor players either. They need guys who provide depth, help on the blueline, a goalie; guys that help the star players win playoff games and series.

Look at the list again if you missed it the first time.

Fred Gauthier? Verhaeghe? Oh, he is but for somebody else.
Travis Dermott? Failure of a trade down scenario.
Bracco? Another failure.
Korshkov? One game, one goal, NHL career over.
Grundstrom? 4th liner somewhere else.
Liljegren? Effectively a bust bottom pair D.
Rasanen? Nothing.
Sandin? Thrown away, effectively a bust.
Durzi? Bottom pair somewhere else.
Holmberg? 4th liner.
Robertson? Effectively a bust.
Kokkonen? Nothing.
Hirvonen? Nothing.
Niemela? Nothing.

I'm not asking for superstars. We already have a couple of those. But would it be so crazy to ask from Shanahan in 10 years maybe some depth? A top-four RHD?

Matthew Knies is the only decent player drafted outside of the lottery picks that has consistently contributed in any kind of significant way without being perpetually injured in 10 years of drafting. That's horrid.

You look at the team that just beat the Leafs by comparison...

Pasta drafted 25th overall in 2014. In the NHL immediately for 2014/2015. Top-six player in 2 years. Now a 60 goal, 100 point player. A little better than Fred Gautheir wouldn't you say?

Swayman, 2017. When was the last time the Leafs drafted and developed a starting goalie who played a full season and the playoffs without getting injured?

McAvoy drafted 14th overall, 2016. In the NHL immediately for 2016/2017 playoffs. Top-four D the next season. When was the last time the Leafs drafted a top pair RHD?

DeBrusk drafted 14th overall 2015. In the NHL full time by 2017.

Carlo drafted 2nd round 2015, full time NHL by 2016. When was the last time the Leafs drafted a top-four D in the 2nd round?

Donato 2nd round, 2014. Turned him into Coyle. Didn't lose that trade. When was the last time the Leafs traded a 2nd round pick prospect into a solid two-way center that wasn't a short term deadline day rental?

Lohrei, Beecher, Frederic, Heinen...all drafted in the past few years, all on the Bruins full time and contributing.

Where are the Leafs equivalents? The Leafs suck balls at drafting and developing players that aren't lottery picks but wonder why their superstar players have no support from within the system.
- Rare_Jewel

Lottery draft picks are just as important as depth draft picks. Again go ask Edmonton what it's like with lottery picks that don't work. It's the foundation of a team. It's why teams rebuild and tank.

Henien was drafted in 2014. I don't get why you think he's some new prospect.




Man you move the goal posts and you say you don't want everyone to be a superstar but then poop on any pick that isn't a superstar.

Also you name plenty of guys playing a role on other teams drafted by the leafs. You can't say the leafs draft sucks and name a bunch of drafted players, even if they are somewhere else!

Bro you can just like another team or get a new hobby. Unless your hobby is making yourself miserable.

The Leafs drafted a few lottery picks then starting throwing away 1st round picks for deadline veterans that didn't do poop. And then followed that up by missing on the majority of their 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks after that.

And if the Leafs had the Bruins depth and blueline plus their lottery picks, where would they be? Probably a lot better off right? Right.
- Rare_Jewel

Leafs have more talent than boston… just not the right mix. Making drastic changes because of an overtime loss would be a big mistake. Tweaking is the answer.. not a garage sale.

new blog everyone

the best #23 picks since 2000-2020
Ryan Kessler and Boeser

about 70% forgettable players
- senstroll

So trade the pick to Vancouver?

Is this a bruins fan

But anyone with an unbiased look wouldn't say they are better at drafting.

Both teams are pretty unspectacular

But you keep expanding the goal posts.
- senstroll[/img]

Biased is the definition of your argument.

The Bruins have drafted elite players outside of the lottery and depth from every round of the draft at every position and just used that to their benefit to beat the Leafs while the Leafs have drafted next to nothing outside of the lottery picks, save for Knies.

The goal posts have not moved except in your mind where reality is blue and white.

Lottery draft picks are just as important as depth draft picks.

- Aaron_85

Oh good, you've admitted it. That makes this a lot easier to understand this entire point of debate.

The Leafs have made lottery draft picks and turned them into elite star players.

The Leafs have made a lot of 2nd-4th round picks and almost none of them have been useful to the Leafs. Either because they were busts or traded away for lesser value.

But, as you admitted, the depth draft picks are equally as important. And the Leafs have absolutely sucked balls at the depth picks. Hence why they continue to lose in the playoffs to teams like Boston, Tampa and Florida who make more value of their depth round draft picks.

Again go ask Edmonton what it's like with lottery picks that don't work. It's the foundation of a team. It's why teams rebuild and tank.

Go ask Edmonton how Zach Hyman is doing. You know that guy the Leafs found and weren't smart enough to extend? Another example why the Leafs have failed to have success in the playoffs. Even when they find good depth players, they get rid of them. Like Kadri? Oops another idiot trade where the guy we gave away contributes to winning a Cup and what we got in return was a pile of poop.

Teams tank and rebuild but without the depth, it doesn't work out. Edmonton has suffered a bit from the same disease as the Leafs but at least they still found some guys to play D like Nurse and Bouchard. Where are the guys for the Leafs? Sandin? Liljegren? Dermott?

Man you move the goal posts and you say you don't want everyone to be a superstar but then poop on any pick that isn't a superstar.

Again, no. The Leafs have star players. What they need is depth, defense and goaltending which the Leafs have not been able to draft in 10 years.

Also you name plenty of guys playing a role on other teams drafted by the leafs. You can't say the leafs draft sucks and name a bunch of drafted players, even if they are somewhere else!

Guys that get traded away and thrive somewhere else do nothing for the Leafs unless they got something in return. When the Bruins traded away prospects, they usually get something useful in return like Coyle, Zacha and Lindholm. The Leafs? Rentals, over the hill veterans and non-impact has been the result of most of their trades.