They all have to go.
- Aetherial

No more Shanaplan?

again, i didnt say anything about who they should have picked or what they needed
- senstroll

Not sure why you had to bring up Amirovs passing.

What point were you trying to make?

And what are you talking about you don’t know who makes the pick?

not given up a 1st as well and NO retention as he Leafs need that cap space eh.
- dmnted

The Leafs could still benefit from 5-8 million in cap space without having to give up a 1st round pick.

wasnt the question I asked.
- senstroll

Ultimately, the GM is responsible for the people below him. Just like Shanahan is responsible for his GM. Which is why they both sucked.

Pretty much agree. Look at it in terms of 2 years to get pieces they need. If a good top 6 guy at a decent price is available this year, do that now and push some of the D upgrade off till next year when they’ll have more to spend. It really just depends on what’s available
- Canada Cup

Yes, think long term. Instead of win now mode every year. I think this is the year to wait and watch, until Johnny T is off the books. Cap space is gold, especially when the cap goes up.

I see the leafs went full leafs again! My god what a complete poop organization. Much like their fans!
- TurdFergeson

Yes, think long term. Instead of win now mode every year. I think this is the year to wait and watch, until Johnny T is off the books. Cap space is gold, especially when the cap goes up.
- TincupCanuck

You need cap space to acquire players you think will help your team, but you also can’t always be settling for 2nd, 3rd (4th 5th-8th) options.

Like Connor Dewar, who tf thought he’d make an impact?

They have to do more to get the big ticket players to come to Toronto.

Not sure why you had to bring up Amirovs passing.

What point were you trying to make?

And what are you talking about you don’t know who makes the pick?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

because, we will never know how that pick would have worked out. its dumb to say they picked the wrong player.

and I dont know if its the GM, head scout or someone else who makes the final call. or all of the above.

The Leafs could still benefit from 5-8 million in cap space without having to give up a 1st round pick.
- Rare_Jewel

they could but it will require a 1st the Leafs don't have many picks to send out with JT

Ultimately, the GM is responsible for the people below him. Just like Shanahan is responsible for his GM. Which is why they both sucked.
- Rare_Jewel

We generally attribute the picks to the GM.

Like was it Treliving who made the Cowan pick? he was GM

No more Shanaplan?
- LordHumungous

Oh, yes. Gonna revise it a tad this summer.though. Only goal is just to make the play-offs to keep the Wings , Habs and Sens from getting there.

Those fanbases love us dearly.

We generally attribute the picks to the GM.

Like was it Treliving who made the Cowan pick? he was GM
- senstroll

No because he's a Shanahan puppet, just like Dubas was.

they could but it will require a 1st the Leafs don't have many picks to send out with JT
- dmnted

No.

We generally attribute the picks to the GM.

Like was it Treliving who made the Cowan pick? he was GM
- senstroll

For the first time in awhile we had a GM who trusted his scouting team.

And kept his first rounder for this year so the team might land another dandy.

If Pelley steps up to the podium on Friday to say that we are not wasting future draft picks on rentals, then i'll be

For the first time in awhile we had a GM who trusted his scouting team.

And kept his first rounder for this year so the team might land another dandy.

If Pelley steps up to the podium on Friday to say that we are not wasting future draft picks on rentals, then i'll be
- Leafsmart

the player they pick this draft might be helpful in 2028 or 2029

the player they pick this draft might be helpful in 2028 or 2029
- senstroll

Or not at all like the majority of the picks the Leafs make that aren't lottery picks.

Everybody can female dog and moan about the Leafs cap situation but the reality is, if you look at Boston, they hit a lot of home runs in the draft.

Their roster is filled with guys they picked up in the late 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round and 4th round and all become impact players within just a couple of years.

The Leafs? Sandin, Robertson, Liljegren, Bracco, Hirovonen, Dermott, Korshkov, Rasanen etc. have done next to nothing of value above replacement.

Or not at all like the majority of the picks the Leafs make that aren't lottery picks.

Everybody can female dog and moan about the Leafs cap situation but the reality is, if you look at Boston, they hit a lot of home runs in the draft.

Their roster is filled with guys they picked up in the late 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round and 4th round and all become impact players within just a couple of years.

The Leafs? Sandin, Robertson, Liljegren, Durzi, Bracco, Hirovonen, Dermott, Korshkov, Grundstrom, Rasanen etc. have done next to nothing of value above replacement.
- Rare_Jewel

Bro..

I’ve been told by many on this site that Ronny and Topi are bonafide STUDS, and will be NHL regulars any day now.

We generally attribute the picks to the GM.

Like was it Treliving who made the Cowan pick? he was GM
- senstroll

I forget the particulars,,

But something about him not being allowed at the draft. But I’m sure he had something to do with the pick.

Or not at all like the majority of the picks the Leafs make that aren't lottery picks.

Everybody can female dog and moan about the Leafs cap situation but the reality is, if you look at Boston, they hit a lot of home runs in the draft.

Their roster is filled with guys they picked up in the late 1st round, 2nd round, 3rd round and 4th round and all become impact players within just a couple of years.

The Leafs? Sandin, Robertson, Liljegren, Durzi, Bracco, Dermott, Korshkov, Grundstrom, Rasanen etc. have done next to nothing of value above replacement.
- Rare_Jewel

what?

you have to go back 8 Drafts before they have an impact player.
from 2017 on they have exactly 1 player (swayman)

they have not hit a lot of home runs in the past many drafts.

you have to go back to
2016 Mcvoy
2015 Carlo
2014 Pastrnak

which actually makes my point.

you act like we all cant look this poop up ourselves

I forget the particulars,,

But something about him not being allowed at the draft. But I’m sure he had something to do with the pick.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

or..mostly talking out your ass and dont really know

No.
- Rare_Jewel

yes,
what else?

I forget the particulars,,

But something about him not being allowed at the draft. But I’m sure he had something to do with the pick.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

till Calgary picked their guy, he was not to be at the Leafs drafting table.

since i went down this rabbit hole

CF has a colum for how the player was aquired.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/bruins

The Bruins impact players are all 2017 (swayman) and back.
The leafs actually have more recent success with Knies, Homberg and Robertson

now you can massage "impact player" however you want. but the Bruins drafting has kinda sucked. and I looked it up, they rank near the bottom of the league in Team prospect ranking

till Calgary picked their guy, he was not to be at the Leafs drafting table.
- dmnted

I mean... wouldn't have wanted him to tell the Leafs how great Honzek was.

Ffs Cowan is a much better prospect already.

what?

you have to go back 8 Drafts before they have an impact player.
from 2017 on they have exactly 1 player (swayman)

they have not hit a lot of home runs in the past many drafts.

you have to go back to
2016 Mcvoy
2015 Carlo
2014 Pastrnak

which actually makes my point.

you act like we all cant look this poop up ourselves
- senstroll

Fred Gauthier? Verhaeghe? Oh, he is but for somebody else.
Travis Dermott? Failure of a trade down scenario.
Bracco? Another failure.
Korshkov? One game, one goal, NHL career over.
Grundstrom? 4th liner somewhere else.
Liljegren? Effectively a bust bottom pair D.
Rasanen? Nothing.
Sandin? Thrown away, effectively a bust.
Durzi? Bottom pair somewhere else.
Holmberg? 4th liner.
Robertson? Effectively a bust.
Kokkonen? Nothing.
Hirvonen? Nothing.
Niemela? Nothing.

Matthew Knies is the only decent player drafted outside of the lottery picks that has contributed in any kind of significant way in 10 years of drafting. That's horrid.

You look at the team that just beat us...

Pasta drafted 25th overall in 2014. In the NHL immediately for 2014/2015. Now a 60 goal, 100 point player. Top-six player in 2 years.

Swayman, 2017.

McAvoy drafted 14th overall, 2016. In the NHL immediately for 2016/2017 playoffs. Top-four D the next season.

DeBrusk drafted 14th overall 2015. In the NHL full time by 2017.

Carlo drafted 2nd round 2015, full time NHL by 2016.

Donato 2nd round, 2014. Turned him into Coyle. Didn't lose that trade.

Lohrei, Beecher, Frederic, Heinen...all drafted in the past few years, all on the Bruins full time and contributing.

Where are the Leafs equivalents? The Leafs suck balls at drafting and developing players that aren't lottery picks.

The have Knies and Liljegren to show for their drafting the past 10 years.

You act as if you can't look this stuff up.