- K-man25

Don't worry. I dont expect to Flames to move up. Have to be realistic.

Flames stay at 9

Were gonna get a good player at 9 so its all good.

Were gonna get a good player at 9 so its all good.
- DEDDIE

I agree. This draft is going to have more than 1 or 2 surprises.still be nice to get another tp 15 pick. NJ at 10 would be awesome. Ottawa’s 7th?
This must be what it was like to be an Oiler fan all those years, - the 4 first overall picks.

I forgot, Go Canucks Go!

Your a Fukin idiot your the reason people hate coiler fans so much , pick a time and place bud I will stuff your head up your own asss
- Hockeyfan4life14

You ok there bud? Forget your meds today?

I agree. This draft is going to have more than 1 or 2 surprises.still be nice to get another tp 15 pick. NJ at 10 would be awesome. Ottawa’s 7th?
This must be what it was like to be an Oiler fan all those years, - the 4 first overall picks.
- K-man25

Would love to know what the NJ deal for Marky at the deadline actually included.
Ott, NJ, Det, LA, Tor will be looking for goaltending upgrades so maybe we can get a 1st in some kind of a deal including Marky.
If Conny has the go ahead to rebuild we could see a veteran or 2 available too.

Check out these links.... talk about all over the map:

https://www.nhl.com/flame...aft-lottery-6352496329112

https://www.dailyfaceoff....post-draft-lottery-top-24

https://www.msn.com/en-ca...ab2bbbd8ef121cfdd69&ei=14

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/cr...cklin-celebrini-1.2116650

I really want Tij Iginla as a Flame. Those freakin couple of meaningless wins at the end of the season better not mess that up. He is the most improved player from last year in the entire draft. He is going to be a good one. Plus, I don't want Iginla on another jersey. It doesn't seem right.

Interesting trade proposal in this link:

Calgary Flames get: RW Mitch Marner, C Fraser Minten, LW Nick Robertson, D Timothy Liljegren
Toronto Maple Leafs get: G Jacob Markstrom*, D Rasmus Andersson
*Flames retain 25 per cent of Markstrom’s remaining salary

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ple-leafs-could-consider/

Interesting trade proposal in this link:

Calgary Flames get: RW Mitch Marner, C Fraser Minten, LW Nick Robertson, D Timothy Liljegren
Toronto Maple Leafs get: G Jacob Markstrom*, D Rasmus Andersson
*Flames retain 25 per cent of Markstrom’s remaining salary

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ple-leafs-could-consider/
- DEDDIE

I think I’d rather get another first instead, or maybe 2 for those guys. Marner wouldn’t have to worry about sucking in the playoffs though. Unless we can flip MM for another 1st and some prospects at a later date.

Interesting trade proposal in this link:

Calgary Flames get: RW Mitch Marner, C Fraser Minten, LW Nick Robertson, D Timothy Liljegren
Toronto Maple Leafs get: G Jacob Markstrom*, D Rasmus Andersson
*Flames retain 25 per cent of Markstrom’s remaining salary

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ple-leafs-could-consider/
- DEDDIE

Anderson ? Not on your life

Interesting trade proposal in this link:

Calgary Flames get: RW Mitch Marner, C Fraser Minten, LW Nick Robertson, D Timothy Liljegren
Toronto Maple Leafs get: G Jacob Markstrom*, D Rasmus Andersson
*Flames retain 25 per cent of Markstrom’s remaining salary

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ple-leafs-could-consider/
- DEDDIE

That article was clearly written by a guy who only follows the Leafs. It's not a trade that improves the Flames now or in the future. Marner's never going to waive to come here anyway unless there's an extension that makes him the highest paid winger in the league.

Interesting trade proposal in this link:

Calgary Flames get: RW Mitch Marner, C Fraser Minten, LW Nick Robertson, D Timothy Liljegren
Toronto Maple Leafs get: G Jacob Markstrom*, D Rasmus Andersson
*Flames retain 25 per cent of Markstrom’s remaining salary

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ple-leafs-could-consider/
- DEDDIE

The deal that i think makes more sense for Flames & Senators would be :
Markstrom & Andersen (exact needs for Ottawa RHD & Goaltending)
for Korpisalo, Chychryn & the #7 OA.
Negative for us is eating the 4 more years at 4.0 mill for Korpi but that would be the only way Ottawa would even consider. Andersen & Chychryn pretty comparable(cap hits the same) except Andy has 1 extra year of a great cap hit & is a RHD., huge need for Sens to fit in with Sanderson & Chabot. Zub is the only top 4 RHS they have & a couple young guys skirting with with potential. This addresses their need to get to playoffs now.

Would Markstrom waive to go there, dunno, but there is a Swedish element in Ottawa that may try to convince him to head there. That #7 OA is the prize for me & would be huge for the Flames rebuild.

That article was clearly written by a guy who only follows the Leafs. It's not a trade that improves the Flames now or in the future. Marner's never going to waive to come here anyway unless there's an extension that makes him the highest paid winger in the league.
- Squeaky

Agree its not the right fit for CGY but its fair value for both sides unlike most proposals coming out of Toronto. Like Kman states, Marner could be flipped and never play a game in CGY.

The deal that i think makes more sense for Flames & Senators would be :
Markstrom & Andersen (exact needs for Ottawa RHD & Goaltending)
for Korpisalo, Chychryn & the #7 OA.
Negative for us is eating the 4 more years at 4.0 mill for Korpi but that would be the only way Ottawa would even consider. Andersen & Chychryn pretty comparable(cap hits the same) except Andy has 1 extra year of a great cap hit & is a RHD., huge need for Sens to fit in with Sanderson & Chabot. Zub is the only top 4 RHS they have & a couple young guys skirting with with potential. This addresses their need to get to playoffs now.

Would Markstrom waive to go there, dunno, but there is a Swedish element in Ottawa that may try to convince him to head there. That #7 OA is the prize for me & would be huge for the Flames rebuild.
- Kevin R

Love this deal and I would try to flip Chychrun for another 1st.

Love this deal and I would try to flip Chychrun for another 1st.
- DEDDIE

Fair deal for both teams.

Fair deal for both teams.
- K-man25

For some reason I can see Markstrom in Carolina.

Found this cool tool that assesses draft pick value.

https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

The Oilers Cackucks series has been great.

It's amazing to see how former Flames are stepping up. If Monahan had not been so injury-prone, this team would look a lot different today.

I think Tre had a lot of good ideas about team building, but he lacked the proper pieces to build around (top d and center) and he did a horrible job managing the pieces he had (Monahan, Bennet, JG, Tcachuk, Gio, Brodie). Top that with horrible free agency signings and this team is saying retool but its looking more and more like a rebuild.

I think Tre had a lot of good ideas about team building, but he lacked the proper pieces to build around (top d and center) and he did a horrible job managing the pieces he had (Monahan, Bennet, JG, Tcachuk, Gio, Brodie).
- DuranDuran

I don't really see how anyone could have a problem with any of those. Maybe Tkachuk since he said that he had wanted to sign a long-term deal instead of the three-year one he signed, but who knows what the money ask was?

Monahan was broken and barely functional as a fourth liner and making over 6 million when he was traded. Bennett was a disaster in Calgary and he got a pretty decent return for what Bennett was. I'd put 75% of the blame on Bennett for his Calgary career. Gaudreau had an awful year the year before his career year, so it didn't make a ton of sense to give him a massive contract and his trade value probably wasn't much. It also seems extremely likely Gaudreau legitimately wanted to stay, but he couldn't convince his wife. Brodie's UFA year was the first COVID year, so that definitely threw a wrench in whatever the plans were, and they were a playoff team. Gio was also a COVID year, there probably wasn't a ton of interest in trading for him at the salary he was owed. It also gave Seattle an easy target in the expansion draft. If they had traded Gio, they'd have to factor in who else they'd be losing by making that trade. The team trading for him would also have to determine if he was worth protecting.

I never understand people making a big deal about teams losing players for nothing. Every playoff team is going to lose players for nothing. Most playoff teams spend assets to bring in players they will lose for nothing. If anything, Treliving didn't do a good enough job bringing in pieces at the deadline. They won the division twice and finished first in the West during the period so there was enough evidence to say they were a competitive team.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca...25b88e1b653d87f776e&ei=17

Trade Proposal 1

To Calgary: 2024 first-round pick (6th overall) & 2024 second-round pick (38th overall)

To Utah: Rasmus Andersson & Vancouver’s 2024 first-round pick

Trade Proposal 2

To Calgary: 2024 first-round pick (7th overall) & Joonas Korpisalo

To Ottawa: Jacob Markstrom, 2024 fourth-round pick

These are not my proposals but Picks 6, 7, 9, 38 & 41 would be a hell of a jump start on our rebuild.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/two-trade-up-scenarios-for-the-calgary-flames-at-the-2024-nhl-draft/ar-BB1mvmV4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=74de22660c36425b88e1b653d87f776e&ei=17

Trade Proposal 1

To Calgary: 2024 first-round pick (6th overall) & 2024 second-round pick (38th overall)

To Utah: Rasmus Andersson & Vancouver’s 2024 first-round pick

Trade Proposal 2

To Calgary: 2024 first-round pick (7th overall) & Joonas Korpisalo

To Ottawa: Jacob Markstrom, 2024 fourth-round pick

These are not my proposals but Picks 6, 7, 9, 38 & 41 would be a hell of a jump start on our rebuild.
- DEDDIE

Do it Conny!!!!

I don't really see how anyone could have a problem with any of those. Maybe Tkachuk since he said that he had wanted to sign a long-term deal instead of the three-year one he signed, but who knows what the money ask was?

Monahan was broken and barely functional as a fourth liner and making over 6 million when he was traded. Bennett was a disaster in Calgary and he got a pretty decent return for what Bennett was. I'd put 75% of the blame on Bennett for his Calgary career. Gaudreau had an awful year the year before his career year, so it didn't make a ton of sense to give him a massive contract and his trade value probably wasn't much. It also seems extremely likely Gaudreau legitimately wanted to stay, but he couldn't convince his wife. Brodie's UFA year was the first COVID year, so that definitely threw a wrench in whatever the plans were, and they were a playoff team. Gio was also a COVID year, there probably wasn't a ton of interest in trading for him at the salary he was owed. It also gave Seattle an easy target in the expansion draft. If they had traded Gio, they'd have to factor in who else they'd be losing by making that trade. The team trading for him would also have to determine if he was worth protecting.

I never understand people making a big deal about teams losing players for nothing. Every playoff team is going to lose players for nothing. Most playoff teams spend assets to bring in players they will lose for nothing. If anything, Treliving didn't do a good enough job bringing in pieces at the deadline. They won the division twice and finished first in the West during the period so there was enough evidence to say they were a competitive team.
- Squeaky

Treliving blew his load early. The Hamonic trade was a disaster. Not fixing the dressing room when Gio split the room was a disaster. Mishandling Bennett when he first came in the league was a disaster. Signing Brouwer was a disaster. Then turning around and signing Neal was a bigger disaster. Giving Huberdeau 10.5 mil is still a disaster. Letting guys like Lomberg and Hathaway walk away was a disaster. He traded draft picks away trying to save his job, and for all the good he tried to do he left Calgary in a hot mess of a disaster.

I'm glad he’s in Toronto, he’ll turn the Leafs into a bubble team in a couple years.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/two-trade-up-scenarios-for-the-calgary-flames-at-the-2024-nhl-draft/ar-BB1mvmV4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=74de22660c36425b88e1b653d87f776e&ei=17

Trade Proposal 1

To Calgary: 2024 first-round pick (6th overall) & 2024 second-round pick (38th overall)

To Utah: Rasmus Andersson & Vancouver’s 2024 first-round pick

Trade Proposal 2

To Calgary: 2024 first-round pick (7th overall) & Joonas Korpisalo

To Ottawa: Jacob Markstrom, 2024 fourth-round pick

These are not my proposals but Picks 6, 7, 9, 38 & 41 would be a hell of a jump start on our rebuild.
- DEDDIE

That Utah trade looks a little 1 sided. The Ottawa one I’ve heard from a few different sources. Conroy would get a statue of himself outside the new arena if he pulls those trades off.

That Utah trade looks a little 1 sided. The Ottawa one I’ve heard from a few different sources. Conroy would get a statue of himself outside the new arena if he pulls those trades off.
- K-man25

They are both partisan Flames but I think the Utah one is more realistic as I think Ras has more value than Marky but not sure how much negative value the league implies on Korpisalos bad contract.