Are you saying it's time for the Leafs to put in a scrub and have him run Swayman and fall on his accidentally / on purpose a few times?

lol

The Leafs need to just get more bodies in front of Swayman (or Ullmark) and not let them see anything - Boston is doing a much better job of this as you see lots of shots from the point Sammy isn't even seeing or seeing at the very last minute.

Leafs also need to be better at clearing out the front of their own net.

The more 5 on 5 the Leafs can play the better their odds are of winning the games / series. Special teams have been for them.
- Cush29

This should be done to Stone, no way he should finish the series

IMHO, the exact same as Nylander.
- Atomic Wedgie

You honestly think a 100+P player will take nothing more than a $600K raise?

If so get used to him saying bye.

Giordano is the all time NHL leader in blocked shots and he can’t break this incredible D core

What a (frank)ing joke🤦‍♂️

edit: alliteration 👍🏿
- mr.sir

fixed👍

Don't harsh my mellow with facts man. lol

But you may be right - math isn't my most enjoyable pastime.

So that bit of mathematic - ing I did made no sense and is flawed.

I'll try it this way for next year:

Just Shy of 56M tied up in 10 forwards as follows:

Matthews
Marner
JT
Nylander
Kampf
Jankrok
Reeves
Knies
Holmberg
McMann

Just shy of 13M on D for:

Moe
McCabe
Timmons
Benoit
Cade Webber

$766 k in Goal for:

Woll

So a total of about 70M (rounded up) tied up so 17M (the remainder between the cap - projected to be just shy of 87 M and 70M) with the following holes to fill:

1 x 1A / 1B goalie (Sammy / Sammy replacement)
1 x 3rd string goalie (stick with something in the system already maybe?)
5 x wingers in Bert and Domi (Dewar, Robertson and Gregor)
4 x D men - mostly bottom pair guys and maybe one that is top 4 in Lilly?

Yikes!
- Cush29

The front end of your math is good ...they'll have about $17M to spend.

But your back end math is not. If they sign the 11 players you listed and add them to the 16 you have already on the list then they'll be 4-5 guys over the limit.

Leafs will budget for 21 ...maybe 22 on the opening night roster.

$17M to spend on a pair of fwds (probably one will be cheap - Robertson?), a pair of d'man and a goalie to pair with Woll.

They probably (although Tree may think differently) go cheap on the goalie. If so then you're looking at about $14M to spend on 3 big pieces (either two blueliners and a fwd ...or two forwards and blueliner). Again, just a guess, but I think Tree spends most of his $$ on the blueline ..if he can.

All of that is subject to a trade of one of the core guys (which I don't expect to happen).

RIP Bob Cole. Every Leafs game since has been sub-par since you retired. Best of the Best.

I think our wires are crossed.

Let's use Marner as an example.

He can agree to a trade this summer to Pittsburgh. To make the deal, Pittsburgh has to send back assets, thus weakening the Penguins (the team Marner will now play for).

Or he can play out next year with the Leafs, then sign with the Penguins (after having better salary negotiation leverage - but yes, not getting that 8th year) and go to a team that is stronger than if he had agreed to the trade.
- Atomic Wedgie

Exactly, your explanation is just common sense, most people lack it!!

IMHO, the exact same as Nylander.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think if things continue as they are ...Tree's in a good position to take that position.

But, contracts (especially in Toronto) always seem to be tied to the % of Cap so Willie's 11.5 inflated to the next year for Marner ends up being about $12.15 b/c the league has floated that the Cap will be ~92M for 25/26.

I don't understand why any player would agree to this - why force your new team to give up assets to get you?

Better to play for your existing team for the remainder of your contract, then sign as a UFA.
- Atomic Wedgie

There's a certainty in it. If you know where you want to go (like Tkachuk wanting Florida) then you can arrange it while they have cap space available - or can help facilitate that space being available. Things change - priorities shift, other trades are made - and suddenly where you want to go isn't somewhere you CAN go anymore.

Not to mention - if players cared so much about their teams they wouldn't be asking for $10.9m deals when they should be getting $9m.

I'm not saying it's easy or necessarily likely - but I am saying that it's possible.

RIP Bob Cole. Every Leafs game since has been sub-par since you retired. Best of the Best.
- gravyface

Ahhh (frank). Loved him so much. Hope it was peaceful.

You honestly think a 100+P player will take nothing more than a $600K raise?

If so get used to him saying bye.
- Dozzer

have fun with the soakers big hat female dog👍

here, i already got you a ham sandwich and a road map 👊🏿

You don't put Brodie in to fix the D. You pull Lily and move Edmundson to the RHD. Or bring Timmins in to play on the RHD.


Gio, Edmundson or Edmundson, Timmins would do much better than Lily or Brodie ever seeing the ice again when the Leafs goaltending is a disaster.

Woll/Sammy....6 of 1, half a dozen of the other.
- underhill14

A disaster? Disagree.

This is what 5M for THREE goalies looks like.

have fun with the soakers big hat female dog👍

here, i already got you a ham sandwich and a road map 👊🏿
- Skalapy

I had a ham and Swiss sandwich from the hospital today for lunch and even I was impressed.

It may be one magical thing or I’m going crazier

I’ll let you know after supper 👍

Yes....go ALL in, throw the house in there also
- Symba007

That money is technically coming off the books, but they already spent it with those players on LTIR, no?
- Whipper

They have about $25M coming off the books in real, non LTIR players

I think if things continue as they are ...Tree's in a good position to take that position.

But, contracts (especially in Toronto) always seem to be tied to the % of Cap so Willie's 11.5 inflated to the next year for Marner ends up being about $12.15 b/c the league has floated that the Cap will be ~92M for 25/26.
- The Law

Not just Toronto but Canada essentially.

I know it’s taxed per game depending on location but if you make more than $260K roughly in Ontario you’ll get nailed with 53.53% taxation. Hell even Matthews can’t avoid that at league minimum with 43 of the games here (2 in Ottawa).

Matthews, if he didn’t have the advantage of taking his bonus July 1st while living in Arizona (38.5%) would cost more. By only making $775K this year and getting the rest as a bonus he ends up with a bit more than $1.6 million take home than being fully paid throughout the season.

You honestly think a 100+P player will take nothing more than a $600K raise?

If so get used to him saying bye.
- Dozzer

IF said 100 point player who struggles in playoffs doesn't understand he was overpaid on his last deal and won't take a very modest raise then I would proactively say "bye" to him and his bumhole father and flossing mother.

Take a shorter term deal if needed and prove your worth 12M or more because if that's what he wants or more he can go (frank) his big ass hat.

Even with NO RAISE he would still be the 2nd highest paid RW in the league behind Pasta.

Ducherov and Rantenen both are under 10M and I'd take either of them over Marner TBH.

Now Mitchell,

If your reading this, get angry at my mean words and show me how wrong I am by leading this team to glory.

I love your skill set but you need to translate it to playoff ok buddy.

My love for you may not be as strong as others but I could grow to maybe love you in that perverse and unhealthy way if you lead these Leafs to a Cup this year.

RIP Bob Cole.

They have about $25M coming off the books in real, non LTIR players
- Canada Cup

Yup.

Bertuzzi: 5.5
Domi: 3
Dewar (RFA): 800k * Qualify
Robertson (RFA): 800k * Qualify
Gregor (RFA): 800k * Do not qualify

Brodie: 5
Edmundson: 875
Giordano: 800
Lyubushkin: 700
Liljegren (RFA): 1.4 * Qualify - and maybe trade

Samsonov: 3.6
Jones: 900

A disaster? Disagree.

This is what 5M for THREE goalies looks like.
- Cush29

I call $5M for THREE goalies a disaster due to results. You call it $5M for THREE goalies...$5M for THREE goalies so we end up with these results?

Still the results are a disaster.

6 of 1, half a dozen of the other.

Whatever semantic exercises we go thru...

A team with too much $ on forwards, not enough $ on D can't also have cheap G or it will be disastrous.


It's what guys like 50 and I have been saying forever. It's not complicated.

Greedy players, greedy player results. Period.

There's a certainty in it. If you know where you want to go (like Tkachuk wanting Florida) then you can arrange it while they have cap space available - or can help facilitate that space being available. Things change - priorities shift, other trades are made - and suddenly where you want to go isn't somewhere you CAN go anymore.

Not to mention - if players cared so much about their teams they wouldn't be asking for $10.9m deals when they should be getting $9m.

I'm not saying it's easy or necessarily likely - but I am saying that it's possible.
- Monkeypunk

I'd add this ...at his expected salary it's not like the acquiring team wouldn't have to create space anyway. The reality of a Cap world is that the acquiring team would be open to the idea of moving pieces to Toronto (not full price but something to make it make sense) and Marner would be open to it (if he were in fact open to moving at all) because that 8th year is his age 36 year .....it's a meaningful sweetner for him.

The Tkachuk situation/negotiations were similar.

It'd have to be a perfect storm for it to make sense to all 3 parties.

So it's a looooooong shot, at best.

Willie dealing with migraines
Not good.

Migraines stick with people for years.

That sucks.

IF said 100 point player who struggles in playoffs doesn't understand he was overpaid on his last deal and won't take a very modest raise then I would proactively say "bye" to him and his bumhole father and flossing mother.

Take a shorter term deal if needed and prove your worth 12M or more because if that's what he wants or more he can go (frank) his big ass hat.

Even with NO RAISE he would still be the 2nd highest paid RW in the league behind Pasta.

Ducherov and Rantenen both are under 10M and I'd take either of them over Marner TBH.

Now Mitchell,

If your reading this, get angry at my mean words and show me how wrong I am by leading this team to glory.

I love your skill set but you need to translate it to playoff ok buddy.

My love for you may not be as strong as others but I could grow to maybe love you in that perverse and unhealthy way if you lead these Leafs to a Cup this year.


- Cush29

With no raise he’d be behind Nylander as well.

Also, even though I’ve made dumbass jokes about it his post season play is 0.9PPG while his regular season is 1.1PPG. A whole difference of 0.2PPG. Means every five games he’d produce one less point. So even if he played in four series, all of them 7 games, he’d literally only be 5.6P less than his regular season production rate.

The math is very clear that he does produce just fine in the post season… I just like pissing off AA because he’s a twat

So what are you offering him? More than nylander?
- sfrizz

No more than willie.

You honestly think a 100+P player will take nothing more than a $600K raise?

If so get used to him saying bye.
- Dozzer

If marner wants to score huge points with the fan base.....he totally should.

But he wont