I see a more willingness to lose than either of those two. Trading Walker this year and going with a tandem of Fedotov and Ersson are examples. I want to see more this offseason in terms of subtraction but I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now.

In the end the only thing that matters is what they do at the draft table the next two to three seasons.
- psuhockey

Kinda where I am…I’m still sitting on the fence. I am not all hyperbole against Torts and DB, but I’m not ready to defend some of the actually events that have gone down or some of the decisions that have been made. I guess I could take a side then yell from my soap box “see I was right”, but I’m not ready to call everyone out after a year for the GM and two for the coach…..especially when it’s pretty evident the lack of high end talent around the NHL hasn’t made its way to Philly yet.

You have no clue. There is not single top team in the NHL that plays a 1-3-1 as their main system of play. Every team has a forecheck scheme that they play situationally, such as against controlled breakouts or when they have a lead late in games.

Again, Laviolette's main system of play is a 3-2 press forecheck with a lock style neutral zone forecheck. It's what he has played his entire coaching career.

You are uninformed.


You're proving today for sure that you don't read my posts.
- MJL

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that I was watching the Rags play a 1-3-1 and Ryan Callahan also mentioned it. Now the Rags were holding onto the lead at that point, so perhaps Lavy employs a 1-3-1 when they are in defensive posture and holding onto a lead.

Kinda where I am…I’m still sitting on the fence. I am not all hyperbole against Torts and DB, but I’m not ready to defend some of the actually events that have gone down or some of the decisions that have been made. I guess I could take a side then yell from my soap box “see I was right”, but I’m not ready to call everyone out after a year for the GM and two for the coach…..especially when it’s pretty evident the lack of high end talent around the NHL hasn’t made its way to Philly yet.
- landros 2

the way they are going it never will. They ar adverse to it. Hell didn't danny boy last fall say cutter and MM is enough high end talent or something to that effect?

So what you are saying is that Lavy is a failure. 1 for 3 in the cup finals. And like Torts won the cup a long time ago. The goal of the coach is to win the cup, not to just make the playoffs.
- WhiskeyMan

Yea, that's what I'm saying.

the way they are going it never will. They ar adverse to it. Hell didn't danny boy last fall say cutter and MM is enough high end talent or something to that effect?
- hello it's me 2050

I don’t remember that…but you can never have enough. I’m hoping that’s DBs “over all” plan I spoke of. How exactly? Do you acquire young building blocks? Draft? Check…trade your most valued assets that won’t be worth their salary when you are a contender for pieces that might be? Check.
Let’s see if he can do it.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that I was watching the Rags play a 1-3-1 and Ryan Callahan also mentioned it. Now the Rags were holding onto the lead at that point, so perhaps Lavy employs a 1-3-1 when they are in defensive posture and holding onto a lead.
- Phillywhiteout

MJL was spot on about Lavi's primary system philosophy.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that I was watching the Rags play a 1-3-1 and Ryan Callahan also mentioned it. Now the Rags were holding onto the lead at that point, so perhaps Lavy employs a 1-3-1 when they are in defensive posture and holding onto a lead.
- Phillywhiteout

How many posts of mine have you obviously read now, just today? Does that make 5?

MJL was spot on about Lavi's primary system philosophy.
- Tomahawk

Laviolette is one of the most aggressive offensive coaches in the NHL. Always has been.

I don’t remember that…but you can never have enough. I’m hoping that’s DBs “over all” plan I spoke of. How exactly? Do you acquire young building blocks? Draft? Check…trade your most valued assets that won’t be worth their salary when you are a contender for pieces that might be? Check.
Let’s see if he can do it.
- landros 2

where they finished was a mirage. do they see it that way? are they willing to take a step "back" ?

playoffs is/was always the goal imo. I am amazed how the "jonesy" comments get swept under the rub. At least how I see it

Should be a great series. Avs have the upper echelon talent and the Jets are a deep team (13 players with double digit goals) with the best goalie in the league. I put some good cash on the Jets to come out of the west, so Go Jets Go!
- Phillywhiteout

Jets vs Hurricanes in the Finals...

How many posts of mine have you obviously read now, just today? Does that make 3 or 4?
- MJL

what do you think the flyers should do this offseason?

- what moves would you make?

- who would you look to trade?

- who would you look to acquire?

- what would be the cliff flyers plan?

Laviolette is one of the most aggressive offensive coaches in the NHL. Always has been.
- MJL

Do you think Torts should play agressive offensively? I dont think we have the offensive talent to play like that, and if you want to squeak out wins with this team, they need to be defense first......just my opinion. . That beiing said, id still rather wish they had a top 5 pick this year and next.

what do you think the flyers should do this offseason?

- what moves would you make?

- who would you look to trade?

- who would you look to acquire?

- what would be the cliff flyers plan?
- hello it's me 2050

i dont think this is for me, but ill play along
fire rocky, maybe torts
trade any forward on the roster if i get a good return and any defenseman not names drysdale
Only aquire oin 1 yr term, so i can flip at the deadline
Total rebuild for 2 more yrs until the crazy russian is here.

Do you think Torts should play agressive offensively? I dont think we have the offensive talent to play like that, and if you want to squeak out wins with this team, they need to be defense first......just my opinion. . That beiing said, id still rather wish they had a top 5 pick this year and next.
- bradster

He has them playing aggressively by cheating up the ice and having the D doing a lot of pinching. To his credit he made that adjustment this season.

However, as he said in the exit presser, once teams started tightening up in the NZ down the stretch the Flyers couldn't live off the rush anymore and they were left without the ability to really manufacture goals.

where they finished was a mirage. do they see it that way? are they willing to take a step "back" ?

playoffs is/was always the goal imo. I am amazed how the "jonesy" comments get swept under the rub. At least how I see it
- hello it's me 2050

They finished where they finished. A mirage? Another catchphrase. For 70 games this team was in 95% of their games. That’s what Torts teams do….he gets that little bit more out of them, until his tactics don’t work or they don’t have success and inevitably he gets tuned out.
The Jonesy comments were not lost on me. Even if said in jest they were stupid.

He has them playing aggressively by cheating up the ice and having the D doing a lot of pinching. To his credit he made that adjustment this season.

However, as he said in the exit presser, once teams started tightening up in the NZ down the stretch the Flyers couldn't live off the rush anymore and they were left without the ability to really manufacture goals.
- Tomahawk

Which goes to the talent issue. And with Torts, this team will never be able to draft elite talent without getting very lucky.

I'll add that if Torts has as much control as we think, his idea of talent and the NHL's idea of talent are two very different things. So even if the draft has them, who he thinks is talented may not jibe with someone else's idea of talent.

Jets vs Hurricanes in the Finals...
- TheFreak

Wide open.

I got FLA vs. Dallas or EDM.

They finished where they finished. A mirage? Another catchphrase. For 70 games this team was in 95% of their games. That’s what Torts teams do….he gets that little bit more out of them, until his tactics don’t work or they don’t have success and inevitably he gets tuned out.
The Jonesy comments were not lost on me. Even if said in jest they were stupid.
- landros 2

yes mirage as many other teams crapped the bed. That was more of a reason why they finished as "high" as the did. If any of buffalo, sens, devils hire just an average coach they will pass the flyers easily. All 3 of those teams primed to take off so to speak. Though Sens need a goalie as well. I also think the pens will be better next season.

Not said in jest at all is my take. He told the team that 100%.

what do you think the flyers should do this offseason?

- what moves would you make?

- who would you look to trade?

- who would you look to acquire?

- what would be the cliff flyers plan?
- hello it's me 2050

Take away PP duties from rocky - maybe even take lineup decisions from torts

Anyone who would let you acquire draft capital

no one/Vets on a one year deal that you can flip at the deadline

Which goes to the talent issue. And with Torts, this team will never be able to draft elite talent without getting very lucky.

I'll add that if Torts has as much control as we think, his idea of talent and the NHL's idea of talent are two very different things. So even if the draft has them, who he thinks is talented may not jibe with someone else's idea of talent.
- MBFlyerfan

my only hope is I do not think torts is involved in the draft really at all. Just a hunch.

Correct he wants more 10-12 goal scorers who can pk. He still doesn't realize that in order to win you need to outscore the other team.

Which goes to the talent issue. And with Torts, this team will never be able to draft elite talent without getting very lucky.

I'll add that if Torts has as much control as we think, his idea of talent and the NHL's idea of talent are two very different things. So even if the draft has them, who he thinks is talented may not jibe with someone else's idea of talent.
- MBFlyerfan

In a microcosm, in a must win game. This coaches idea was to bench talented offensive skilled players and ride Ryan Poehling in 19 minutes of ice time as his #1 center in the game. That says it all in how this coach thinks and the kind of players he favors.

Take away PP duties from rocky - maybe even take lineup decisions from torts

Anyone who would let you acquire draft capital

no one/Vets on a one year deal that you can flip at the deadline
- corduroy

How do you take away lineup decisions from the head coach without firing him?

disagree 100%. they traded walker because they couldn't re-sign him. trading him wasnt their 1st choice. they were forced to go with that tandem after danny refused to bring in a goalie after hart was exiled. he overworked Sam he said and put him in a bad spot.

what subtraction will you see? maybe another couple players moved because the coachGM wants them gone?

so who do you think they subtract?

no the draft isnt th eonly thing that matters.
- hello it's me 2050

I don’t believe any of the Walker resigning talk. It was a leverage play. Friedman has said on his podcast that Briere and Jones run a tight ship so that was leaked on purpose.

As far as the goalies, I am talking about next season. Not bringing in a vet goalie is taking a huge gamble.

I think there will be a few trades this offseason. Probably Laughton. I could see one of Farabee or Frost moved. It’s tough to know how big Briere will go. I am not a pessimistic as the rest of the online fan community, not yet anyway.

The draft is the only thing that matters because this team needs elite talent and those type of players are hardly ever traded in their prime. If they can’t get in the draft they aren’t getting them.

I don’t believe any of the Walker resigning talk. It was a leverage play. Friedman has said on his podcast that Briere and Jones run a tight ship so that was leaked on purpose.

As far as the goalies, I am talking about next season. Not bringing in a vet goalie is taking a huge gamble.

I think there will be a few trades this offseason. Probably Laughton. I could see one of Farabee or Frost moved. It’s tough to know how big Briere will go. I am not a pessimistic as the rest of the online fan community, not yet anyway.

The draft is the only thing that matters because this team needs elite talent and those type of players are hardly ever traded in their prime. If they can’t get in the draft they aren’t getting them.
- psuhockey

Ok let’s go with you don’t believe it. Despite the gm saying they did. Then all danny bot did was make the obvious move. He traded a free agent to be. Not rocket science. He also brought in a potential headache in that deal. Acquired a guy the coach does not like. A guy they never were going to give a shot too. Now they have to deal with an alleged injury. Can’t be bought out. Maybe RYjo decides he wants to play next season. Clearly he will be waived is my guess at that point. Then you have a sour puss potentially in LHV.

Yes they said that though let’s see if they actually do it. Hope they do. Ivan is 28 years old so this isn’t your typical young type tandem. Sam also has plenty of experience.

No the draft isnt all that matters. That is silly. Well were they will be finishing they are likely to not get that elite talent through the draft.

How do you take away lineup decisions from the head coach without firing him?
- MJL

I wish they would fire him

How do you have three people making organizational decisions?

The Flyers could find a way