Kaplan isnt in that mold at all to me. He isnt scrapper/mucker like GH. He has skill. I have always said Kaplan will be an nhl player just not sure what role. He needs to step up next year imo and show more progress.

GH was the same he has been imo. Will not be shocked at all if he is extended.
- hello it's me 2050

I watched only a couple of his games…I thought he skated well…was physical and seemed to have decent hands, but did not exactly scream an NHL point producer…doesn’t even do that at BU.

I’m fine if GH sticks around beyond next year although he’d be a perfect trade deadline candidate come next year…probably get ya a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick if he played like he did this year.
DB needs to worry more about the big picture…the tinkering is cute and everything but it can’t be his over all plan.

Tortorella has had strong teams in NY and Vancouver that he did nothing with.
- MJL

I personally like Lavy more than Torts, but I don't think they are as far apart in coaching talent as you may think. Lavy's had some pretty good teams to work with as well, yet, him and Torts still have the same amount of cups. This is all that really matters at the end of the day.
Torts did a good job changing the culture here, but he's over-welcomed his stay. It's scary that Hilferty likes him so much. DB will clearly be handcuffed in his decision making as long as Torts is around. I don't think Rocky Thompson is still here if DB was allowed to make his own decisions.

Exactly, people always latch onto that 1 season in Vancouver ignoring every other stop in his career. Let’s not forget a lot of the issues in Vancouver were because he saw Luongo’s decline before anyone else and didn’t care about the backlash. Is he Scotty Bowman? No, but he’s a damn good coach.

He’s honestly quite a lot like Laviolette. People here just ignore this because Lavy had a lot more talent than the team has had for years. Want to talk about not handling young players? Lavy is largely responsible for the Flyers signing Bryz, and trading Richards, Carter, and eventually Bobrovsky. But because of the 2010 finals run, the other issues are ignored. Remember “dry island” it’s the same kinda BS. One area the Flyers have improved is their transition game and playing faster. Prior to Torts they have been one of the slowest playing teams for years.

The Flyers problem is a lack of elite talent. End of story. And to my original point is the main issue with Torts. He’s gets more out of his teams, BECAUSE HE’S A GOOD COACH, and that has cost the Flyers a better draft position.

Let’s all just hope Briere has some trick up his sleeve and can acquire elite talent in some way none of the rest of us can see right now.
- Schmojo

WHAT?! Completely false... Keep picking in the middle of the pack and we will NEVER get elite talent.

I personally like Lavy more than Torts, but I don't think they are as far apart in coaching talent as you may think. Lavy's had some pretty good teams to work with as well, yet, him and Torts still have the same amount of cups. This is all that really matters at the end of the day.
Torts did a good job changing the culture here, but he's over-welcomed his stay. It's scary that Hilferty likes him so much. DB will clearly be handcuffed in his decision making as long as Torts is around. I don't think Rocky Thompson is still here if DB was allowed to make his own decisions.
- dramado

They are worlds apart in terms of style of play. Laviolette coaches modern day NHL tactics while Tortorella is stuck in the stone ages of defensive first hockey with non-negotiables that stifle offensive creativity.
Culture is just a buzzword that the Flyers throw around.

I watched only a couple of his games…I thought he skated well…was physical and seemed to have decent hands, but did not exactly scream an NHL point producer…doesn’t even do that at BU.

I’m fine if GH sticks around beyond next year although he’d be a perfect trade deadline candidate come next year…probably get ya a 2nd or 3rd rnd pick if he played like he did this year.
DB needs to worry more about the big picture…the tinkering is cute and everything but it can’t be his over all plan.
- landros 2

scoring hasnt translated for Kaplan. why he think he needs to take a big step next year. Been watching him play for the last 10 years!!!

dont thin there is any big picture plan to be honest.

They are worlds apart in terms of style of play. Laviolette coaches modern day NHL tactics while Tortorella is stuck in the stone ages of defensive first hockey with non-negotiables that stifle offensive creativity.
Culture is just a buzzword that the Flyers throw around.
- MJL

like public record you throw around

So basically Torts is a failure because he couldn’t turn Vancouver around in one single season or make miracles happen in Columbus. What’s the Blue Jackets success rate again in their history? Last I checked Torts wasn’t fired…he left. Who exactly is Philly’s big game breaking stud?

I’ll admit, Torts is far from perfect but I’d also consider looking up and down the line ups of all the most recent Stanley cup winning teams in comparison to the teams Torts has had to coach. Let’s not act like talent doesn’t matter. I think the only reason why the Flyers came as far as they have was coaching. Add a power play coach or actual offensive talent and we probably convincingly get into the first round.

Oh and seeing how Torts is so terrible with kids, I think Torts was the first person to notice “the small details” that kept Tyson Foerster on the team.
- roenick97

He left because Clb wasnt going to extend his contract, essentially firing him. But allowed him to save fave face a s a sign of respect for the success he had....it was a classic "mutual parting" PR move

scoring hasnt translated for Kaplan. why he think he needs to take a big step next year. Been watching him play for the last 10 years!!!

dont thin there is any big picture plan to be honest.
- hello it's me 2050

I hope your wrong on the “big picture”plan.

I loved Lavy when he was here until I heard he was part of the reason Richards and Carter were traded.
- WhiskeyMan

yeah, Lavy was crazy for not wanting his players to be coke and pillheads.....what a wild insane powerhungry man

They are worlds apart in terms of style of play. Laviolette coaches modern day NHL tactics while Tortorella is stuck in the stone ages of defensive first hockey with non-negotiables that stifle offensive creativity.
Culture is just a buzzword that the Flyers throw around.
- MJL

I wasn't comparing their styles. They're both talented coaches that had talented teams at various points with one cup each to show for it... that's my point.
Culture isn't just a buzzword. This team was soft for many years, and they needed someone that could change the mindset of this organization as a whole. I like the competitiveness he's demanded from this team. I just feel his in-your-face style isn't what's needed going forward. They've clearly tuned him out now, and it will likely be a mess next year. Maybe that's what they want though.

Wait a second, just the other day you said you don't reply to me. Have you changed your position?

Laviolette plays a 3-2 press forecheck. One of the most aggressive forecheck schemes. He plays a lock style neutral zone forecheck with elements of a LW lock. He is one of the most aggressive offensive coaches in the league and always has been.
- MJL

Wrong again genius...he employs a 1-3-1 and always has. What I watched yesterday was a 1-3-1 and even the announcer reported same. Ouch!

Oh, and I NEVER said that I don't reply to you. I said that I don't read the majority of your posts because it's the SOS day after day. Try to read slower since you seem to have reading comprehension issues.

I hope your wrong on the “big picture”plan.
- landros 2

nothing to me indicates I am not lol....I see more of the same saint ronnie/chuck course of action.

Maybe you should start your brain and realize that the context is about both coaches over their careers and not a one year comparison. As with your previous post in reply to me. You are ridiculously uninformed.
- MJL

Again, you aren't following along very well this morning apparently. I was talking about comparing the rosters over the years that the two coaches have had. If you switch rosters Torts is probably ahead of Lavy in wins. Lavy has come into some very tasty situations while Torts hasn't had that fortune.

nothing to me indicates I am not lol....I see more of the same saint ronnie/chuck course of action.
- hello it's me 2050

I see a more willingness to lose than either of those two. Trading Walker this year and going with a tandem of Fedotov and Ersson are examples. I want to see more this offseason in terms of subtraction but I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now.

In the end the only thing that matters is what they do at the draft table the next two to three seasons.

I personally like Lavy more than Torts, but I don't think they are as far apart in coaching talent as you may think. Lavy's had some pretty good teams to work with as well, yet, him and Torts still have the same amount of cups. This is all that really matters at the end of the day.
Torts did a good job changing the culture here, but he's over-welcomed his stay. It's scary that Hilferty likes him so much. DB will clearly be handcuffed in his decision making as long as Torts is around. I don't think Rocky Thompson is still here if DB was allowed to make his own decisions.
- dramado

I think the talk from management of Torts being loved around here is because he still has time on his contract. Didnt they just finish paying AV? Cant be letting go of coaches with multiple years left on their contracts all the time.

I wasn't comparing their styles. They're both talented coaches that had talented teams at various points with one cup each to show for it... that's my point.


- dramado

Laviolette has coached two other teams to the Cup finals. Tortorella has been past the 2nd round once in the last 17 seasons as a head coach.

Culture isn't just a buzzword. This team was soft for many years, and they needed someone that could change the mindset of this organization as a whole. I like the competitiveness he's demanded from this team. I just feel his in-your-face style isn't what's needed going forward. They've clearly tuned him out now, and it will likely be a mess next year. Maybe that's what they want though.
- dramado

Yes it is just a buzzword and it's a front for what the Flyers are trying to sell and most of the fanbase is buying into that nonsense. It shows that the organization has not changed it's mindset. It is the same old nonsense. Selling culture, standards and work ethic to the fanbase. Talent, skill and speed backed up by strong coaching, systems and strategies is what wins. That builds culture and it comes from that. Concentrate on that and a standard will come from that. They constantly put the cart before the horse.

WHAT?! Completely false... Keep picking in the middle of the pack and we will NEVER get elite talent.
- Flyfly

You can get lucky with a giroux, kyle connor, or barzal later in the draft, but i think those are getting a little luck or 15 teams wouldnt pass on them. Hopefully we can hit on one this draft, but drafting 12 isnt ideal. Should have tanked, traded talent so Torts really had his work cut out for him

I think the talk from management of Torts being loved around here is because he still has time on his contract. Didnt they just finish paying AV? Cant be letting go of coaches with multiple years left on their contracts all the time.
- bradster

Look at how much they keep paying players not to play or to go away. Comcast has never cared about paying coaches not to coach. It's basically a routine.

Torts is gonna stick around b/c the fanbase eats up his personality with a spoon and he's making them $$$.

I see a more willingness to lose than either of those two. Trading Walker this year and going with a tandem of Fedotov and Ersson are examples. I want to see more this offseason in terms of subtraction but I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now.

In the end the only thing that matters is what they do at the draft table the next two to three seasons.
- psuhockey

disagree 100%. they traded walker because they couldn't re-sign him. trading him wasnt their 1st choice. they were forced to go with that tandem after danny refused to bring in a goalie after hart was exiled. he overworked Sam he said and put him in a bad spot.

what subtraction will you see? maybe another couple players moved because the coachGM wants them gone?

so who do you think they subtract?

no the draft isnt th eonly thing that matters.

Wrong again genius...he employs a 1-3-1 and always has. What I watched yesterday was a 1-3-1 and even the announcer reported same. Ouch!

Oh, and I NEVER said that I don't reply to you. I said that I don't read the majority of your posts because it's the SOS day after day. Try to read slower since you seem to have reading comprehension issues.
- Phillywhiteout

You have no clue. There is not single top team in the NHL that plays a 1-3-1 as their main system of play. Every team has a forecheck scheme that they play situationally, such as against controlled breakouts or when they have a lead late in games.

Again, Laviolette's main system of play is a 3-2 press forecheck with a lock style neutral zone forecheck. It's what he has played his entire coaching career.

You are uninformed.


You're proving today for sure that you don't read my posts.

Laviolette has coached two other teams to the Cup finals. Tortorella has been past the 2nd round once in the last 17 seasons as a head coach.




Yes it is just a buzzword and it's a front for what the Flyers are trying to sell and most of the fanbase is buying into that nonsense. It shows that the organization has not changed it's mindset. It is the same old nonsense. Selling culture, standards and work ethic to the fanbase. Talent, skill and speed backed up by strong coaching, systems and strategies is what wins. That builds culture and it comes from that. Concentrate on that and a standard will come from that. They constantly put the cart before the horse.
- MJL

so the fact is they both have 1 cup correct? since you deal in facts only.

no kidding, thanks for filling us all in

Again, you aren't following along very well this morning apparently. I was talking about comparing the rosters over the years that the two coaches have had. If you switch rosters Torts is probably ahead of Lavy in wins. Lavy has come into some very tasty situations while Torts hasn't had that fortune.
- Phillywhiteout

LMAO. Yea, you don't get it. Never will. Obviously based on my response to you referencing what you were comparing, I understood that. That wasn't the context of the conversation. Here you are with the maybes. Tortorella had an extremely talented team in NY. He did nothing with them. The players mutinied against him. I deal in reality.

Laviolette has coached two other teams to the Cup finals. Tortorella has been past the 2nd round once in the last 17 seasons as a head coach.




Yes it is just a buzzword and it's a front for what the Flyers are trying to sell and most of the fanbase is buying into that nonsense. It shows that the organization has not changed it's mindset. It is the same old nonsense. Selling culture, standards and work ethic to the fanbase. Talent, skill and speed backed up by strong coaching, systems and strategies is what wins. That builds culture and it comes from that. Concentrate on that and a standard will come from that. They constantly put the cart before the horse.
- MJL

So what you are saying is that Lavy is a failure. 1 for 3 in the cup finals. And like Torts won the cup a long time ago. The goal of the coach is to win the cup, not to just make the playoffs.

Whats the chances we can draft Iginla, thats who i am hoping we get, either he falls a little more than planned, or we trade up a few spots to get him. Will trading a 3rd rounder let us move up 3-4 spots?

I wasn't comparing their styles. They're both talented coaches that had talented teams at various points with one cup each to show for it... that's my point.
Culture isn't just a buzzword. This team was soft for many years, and they needed someone that could change the mindset of this organization as a whole. I like the competitiveness he's demanded from this team. I just feel his in-your-face style isn't what's needed going forward. They've clearly tuned him out now, and it will likely be a mess next year. Maybe that's what they want though.
- dramado

No spot for “culture” on the PS5.