The only FA’s the flyers should sign is to fill in gaps for a year or two until they get a more permanent and stable option.
To beat a dead horse. I think it’s very possible CG saw how the younger talented players were dealt with by being benched or scratched so often and thought to himself screw that why would I subject myself to that BS.
If DB knows for a fact that CG said he will not play for Torts do you really think he would say so publicly?
If you’re giving a list of 20 teams you would play for it doesn’t appear CG just wanted to go to a top team to maybe win the cup easier.
IMO Torts isn’t back after next season.
- bird_dog_pa

Yes, absolutely. The Flyers would have loved telling the whole world that CG was afraid of hard work and accountability and the Flyer’s “hit somebody” crowd would’ve eaten it up.

I kind of expected the Torts hate to flow today. Some of the criticism he gets is deserved. Some of it is simply fabrications. Interesting I was just listening Elliot Friedman on NHL radio who said teams like Buffalo, Ottawa, Detroit, New Jersey will be looking for a guy just like Torts. A guy that can come in and set an expectation for the young guys to meet. Be a bit of a hard ass…but get the buy in needed to compete. He talked about all 4 of this teams having more talent than the Flyers yet they were not as consistent.
Outside in the Hockey world Torts is getting a ton of praise for what the Flyers were this year.
I do think there were things the Flyers accomplished this year but I also think it showed that they are still in need of change….change in the form of more skilled youth. I thought a while back that Torts could be coming to the end of the line….not because it’s what the Flyers wanted but more for what Torts wanted. I guess we’ll see.

Yes, absolutely. The Flyers would have loved telling the whole world that CG was afraid of hard work and accountability and the Flyer’s “hit somebody” crowd would’ve eaten it up.
- Dkos

I think that crowd ate it all up anyway when Jones said 'If you don't want to be a Flyer, you won't be'

Zamula should've been playing in every game and not scratched. He is better than both Johnson and Staal. More wasted signings and trades made by the Flyers at the expense of young players getting icetime on a supposedly rebuilding team.
- MJL

absolutely.... but Johnny T told everyone he is going to play the kids!

Poehling, sure, whatever.

But Hathaway is a POS.
- Tomahawk

Hathaway had a good season….I think he played way to much for my liking, but he showed up every game and did what he was paid to do. For a bottom of the lineup forward, not much more you can ask for.

I'm really tired of hearing that Frost isn't getting chances! Just stop already! I really have liked Brink's game more than Frost's down the stretch. Frost just doesn't have that competitive fire apparently and I'm not sure you can teach that.


Agreed. There's nothing better than watching Frost when he's "on", he's very effective. But he disappears in some games. He, like some other younger players, lack consistency. When will they see enough? Or when will he start performing more consistently? We'll find out soon.

The reality is that the Flyers were 6 games under .500 and finished 4 spots higher in the standings this year then last. What exactly was accomplished. Can anyone honestly say that this team took a step forward to becoming a legit contender?

I kind of expected the Torts hate to flow today. Some of the criticism he gets is deserved. Some of it is simply fabrications. Interesting I was just listening Elliot Friedman on NHL radio who said teams like Buffalo, Ottawa, Detroit, New Jersey will be looking for a guy just like Torts. A guy that can come in and set an expectation for the young guys to meet. Be a bit of a hard ass…but get the buy in needed to compete. He talked about all 4 of this teams having more talent than the Flyers yet they were not as consistent.
Outside in the Hockey world Torts is getting a ton of praise for what the Flyers were this year.
I do think there were things the Flyers accomplished this year but I also think it showed that they are still in need of change….change in the form of more youth. I thought a while back that Torts could be coming to the end of the line….not because it’s what the Flyers wanted but more for what Torts wanted. I guess we’ll see.
- landros 2

His OT choices, dressing 11-D 7-F and his benching of specific players during the season cost the Flyers the 5 points they needed to make the playoffs.

So, are we over .500?

Torts is gonna Torts. The guy is a dinosaur of a coach that acts like a 7th grade bully. But hey, culture and all that BS rhetoric. Going to be interesting to see if any of the players are tired of his act on move out day.

Offseason should be interesting. My guess is you will have another monster contract for TK coming in the near future. Jonesy thinks this team is a few pieces away when reality is they are not even close.

Another "kick the can down the road" year. This is and never was a rebuild. Another Chuck special by retooling on the fly with a new marketing slogan.

The new era of orange feels a whole lot like the past era of mediocrity.
- Flyfly

38-44 is how I see their record

Not as much as Lycksell, Attard, and Ginning learned.
- MBFlyerfan

all 3 will be elsewhere next season imo. Maybe attard stays

Shows how little you really know about the game if you aren't looking at one of your little stats books. He was actually one of the more noticable Flyers on the ice all night. If Frosty wasn't such a pudder he wouldn't have been benched. He won't be anything higher than a #3 center in this league, so he better brush up on his defensive positioning. I really thought he had turned the corner, but he really disappeared when the team needed him the most.
- PhillyWhiteout

Spot on!

There was one sequence, I believe on the Flyers powerplay where Frost got the puck in the right slot and I thought had a chance to go top shelf but instead decided to try a between the legs pass out to the high slot where the resulting shot was blocked. This is exactly what I think drives Torts crazy with him. In a game like this simple plays are winning plays, for example never passing up a chance to get a puck on net. Frost has never been able to see this line in the sand, and thus he sits. I guess it's clear now who Torts thinks does not have the balls to play in games like this.

Which is a reason I think Laughton should be moved. I feel they are kind of redundant players.

Keep Poehling as the 4th C who can move around. Your going to have Couturier and you Keep Frost.

Now try to use Laughton or Konecny in some way to bring back a young center or move up in the draft someway to get one.

There are going to be some RFA's that might be available depending on their teams cap and roster situation.
- J35Bacher

This would make sense but Laughts isn't going anywhere and TK is going to sign a massive extension. Rinse, repeat....

His OT choices, dressing 11-D 7-F and his benching of specific players during the season cost the Flyers the 5 points they needed to make the playoffs.
- mickel25

There are a lot more things than that….that’s a start.

One thing I noticed from reports last night, Laughton was very emotional, almost like he know this might be the end of his time in Philly.

I can't see Philly turning down a 1st rounder again if they get that offer.
- J35Bacher

I honestly do not see Laughts getting a first in a trade. I think they have been BSing the media and fans about the potential 1sts they turned down.

The reality is that the Flyers were 6 games under .500 and finished 4 spots higher in the standings this year then last. What exactly was accomplished. Can anyone honestly say that this team took a step forward to becoming a legit contender?
- MJL

The arena was filled at 94.4% of capacity?

Spot on!

There was one sequence, I believe on the Flyers powerplay where Frost got the puck in the right slot and I thought had a chance to go top shelf but instead decided to try a between the legs pass out to the high slot where the resulting shot was blocked. This is exactly what I think drives Torts crazy with him. In a game like this simple plays are winning plays, for example never passing up a chance to get a puck on net. Frost has never been able to see this line in the sand, and thus he sits. I guess it's clear now who Torts thinks does not have the balls to play in games like this.
- jd250

Again with Frost it’s the consistency. When you produce Torts tends to over look things like that. TK is a perfect example.

The reality is that the Flyers were 6 games under .500 and finished 4 spots higher in the standings this year then last. What exactly was accomplished. Can anyone honestly say that this team took a step forward to becoming a legit contender?
- MJL

Yes, they took a step forward as a team. You are just blind to it because you would rather talk about 3 on 3 and skill competition losses. Young players developed, leaders emerged, the team as a whole was much more competitive. All good steps. In the end, the step that will matter the most is getting more high end talent into the Flyers top 6.

Yes, absolutely. The Flyers would have loved telling the whole world that CG was afraid of hard work and accountability and the Flyer’s “hit somebody” crowd would’ve eaten it up.
- Dkos

Did you see the bulletin board material CG provided for Denver in the finals? Not only was it overconfident/cocky, but it was inconsistent with a lot of the NHL culture. Players don't go public disrespecting opponents. They might trash talk on the ice, but that's gamesmanship.
You're probably right about what he saw, but do we want prospects coming in and telling management how they are deployed? When and where to use them? When they make the team?
There's nothing worse trying to coach players who think they're bigger than the team. Makes the job 10x harder.

I am at the point I wouldn't blame Frost if he just went to his agent and asked for him to push a trade if Torts is still here.

That was brutal. Two of the better playmakers on your team and they sat in a must win.

(frank) the "culture". The only thing I am seeing is that it is the Philadelphia Torts. And that is a huge problem.
- J35Bacher

Brink with 7 minutes and Frost with 8 in what was essentially a playoff game. Torts needed to trust his younger players looking big picture. Brink and/or Frost could easily devalue the return by asking for a trade.

I honestly do not see Laughts getting a first in a trade. I think they have been BSing the media and fans about the potential 1sts they turned down.
- Flyfly

Did they actually say they turned down a first? I thought it was he would only go if they were offered a first and they weren't. So he stayed since they won't take anything less.

I honestly do not see Laughts getting a first in a trade. I think they have been BSing the media and fans about the potential 1sts they turned down.
- Flyfly

Or it involved taking back a bad contract.

Either way. Until I see what they do with TK, I am still giving them the benefit of the doubt. Torts? No. F that guy.

Yes, they took a step forward as a team. You are just blind to it because you would rather talk about 3 on 3 and skill competition losses. Young players developed, leaders emerged, the team as a whole was much more competitive. All good steps. In the end, the step that will matter the most is getting more high end talent into the Flyers top 6.
- jd250

Are they closer to being a contending team…of course they are. But are they close ? No they are not.

I kind of expected the Torts hate to flow today. Some of the criticism he gets is deserved. Some of it is simply fabrications. Interesting I was just listening Elliot Friedman on NHL radio who said teams like Buffalo, Ottawa, Detroit, New Jersey will be looking for a guy just like Torts. A guy that can come in and set an expectation for the young guys to meet. Be a bit of a hard ass…but get the buy in needed to compete. He talked about all 4 of this teams having more talent than the Flyers yet they were not as consistent.
Outside in the Hockey world Torts is getting a ton of praise for what the Flyers were this year.
I do think there were things the Flyers accomplished this year but I also think it showed that they are still in need of change….change in the form of more youth. I thought a while back that Torts could be coming to the end of the line….not because it’s what the Flyers wanted but more for what Torts wanted. I guess we’ll see.
- landros 2

Flyers :
https://www.statmuse.com/...iladelphia-flyers-16/2024

20th in wins
24th in OTL
21st in pts
27th in goals for
21st in goals against
25th in goal differential
32nd in PP% (BOTH YEARS)
32nd in SV%
4th in PK%


Are we talking the reality of Torts or because Torts is good at self promotion. Let's remember 2 years ago nobody wanted him, he was pretty much retired.

After 2 years with the Flyers he's turned a nonplayoff team that relied to much on the vets to a nonplayoff team that relies to much on the vets, there's just fewer of them available to play.

Flyers :
https://www.statmuse.com/...iladelphia-flyers-16/2024

20th in wins
24th in OTL
21st in pts
27th in goals for
21st in goals against
25th in goal differential
32nd in PP% (BOTH YEARS)
32nd in SV%
4th in PK%


Are we talking the reality of Torts or because Torts is good at self promotion. Let's remember 2 years ago nobody wanted him, he was pretty much retired.

After 2 years with the Flyers he's turned a nonplayoff team that relied to much on the vets to a nonplayoff team that relies to much on the vets, there's just fewer of them available to play.
- Flyers_01

If those teams want Torts, then Briere should be working a trade.

Torts to Buffalo for 3rd rounder. BOOM

The arena was filled at 94.4% of capacity?
- corduroy

And I'm sure the "We've got balls" Tshirts were flying off the shelves. As far as the parent entertainment company is concerned, that's a win.