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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Apr 2 @ 10:25 AM ET
I’m talking about you saying that you rarely watch the games anymore. But you’re always reporting on what’s happening in the jays game, even though you know the rest of us are watching hockey.
- shack67

I said that ages ago and was in reference to someone who was talking about how he use to watch every game..if i recall. Geez stalker.
But ya i dont have the time to watch every single game, but i watch most.
And in this new age of internet, streaming and the back button on the tv remote....you can watch multiple games or flip back and forth.
Like last night, watched the leafs win...then right into the jays game......for a bit.
Lots of people watch and post about both.
Its ok.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Apr 2 @ 10:27 AM ET
I dont blame you.

Only 5 games but could be a rough April when I checked the schedule last night

- Aaron_85

The gm didnt address the needs imo...just bandaids. I do like Turner though
But needed more hitting along with improved (or continued) defense. They simply cant stop someone stealing. Yet.

Lots of games left, so we'll see.
Hopefully a deep leafs run this spring if the jays get off to a rough start
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Apr 2 @ 10:29 AM ET
I said that ages ago and was in reference to someone who was talking about how he use to watch every game..if i recall. Geez stalker.
But ya i dont have the time to watch every single game, but i watch most.
And in this new age of internet, streaming and the back button on the tv remote....you can watch multiple games or flip back and forth.
Like last night, watched the leafs win...then right into the jays game......for a bit.
Lots of people watch and post about both.
Its ok.

- Fakepartofme

Why do I do this to myself? Shame on me.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Apr 2 @ 10:43 AM ET
I wonder why Knies only played 7 mins
- drexel


Two nice goals from the kid line but they were generally poop.

Keefe went heavy on matchups. JT's line plus Brodie/Boosh against Barkov all night and Kampf's line plus Benoit/McCabe against Bennett. Matthews line got a bit of everyone.

Pretty interesting to see Keefe run Dewar-Kampf-Reaves like a real shutdown line all night. He seemed to like them specifically against the Bennett-Tkachook line.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 2 @ 10:45 AM ET
Why?
Cause i feel matthews has to lead the team deep into the playoffs to grab hold of "best leaf all time"? I didnt say cup, but further than 1 win in the 2nd round.

Hes our best reg season player and imo number 2 overall.....or now.

Dont be so sensitive

- Fakepartofme


Sorry, it’s a team game. Gretzky wouldn’t have won with this team the last few years either and would you have still tried to say Keon was better?
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 2 @ 10:46 AM ET
Are split screen or PIP tv’s a thing anymore?

Not that I could ever figure it out back then either.

TV’s are hoooge now, split could offer decent viewing size.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 2 @ 10:49 AM ET
Are split screen or PIP tv’s a thing anymore?

Not that I could ever figure it out back then either.

TV’s are hoooge now, split could offer decent viewing size.

- Woderwick


I never did the pip thing. but now, TVs and monitors are relatively cheap, so I just use 2 or 3 at the same time. most important game gets the big TV
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 2 @ 10:50 AM ET
Two nice goals from the kid line but they were generally poop.

Keefe went heavy on matchups. JT's line plus Brodie/Boosh against Barkov all night and Kampf's line plus Benoit/McCabe against Bennett. Matthews line got a bit of everyone.

Pretty interesting to see Keefe run Dewar-Kampf-Reaves like a real shutdown line all night. He seemed to like them specifically against the Bennett-Tkachook line.

- The Law

Robertson loves to turn the puck over in stellar fashion.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 2 @ 10:52 AM ET
I never did the pip thing. but now, TVs and monitors are relatively cheap, so I just use 2 or 3 at the same time. most important game gets the big TV
- senstroll

That’s commitment.
TV’s are so hoooge now, split screen would offer a decent viewing size.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Apr 2 @ 10:55 AM ET
Ray took them to a cup final and the 3rd round multiple times.
Didnt say matthews has to win a cup, just take the leafs deep.

So a horrible comparison. Jesus

- Fakepartofme


So you don't need them to win, but you need them to win more than they have, but there's a shifting line somewhere that says what they need to accomplish before you can consider him as good as a player who played when there were 6 teams in the league?

Did you know there were only two rounds of the playoffs back then? By that token last year Matthews and Marner led the Leafs to the cup finals, but they ultimately lost.

The horrible comparison is your ambiguous line in the sand and determination that a player's ability and success is strictly attributable to the success of the team around them.

Doug Gilmour was the most successful modern-day Leaf in the playoffs. Healthy and energized Wendel was must-see-TV. Give-a-poop-Mats was capable of being dominant - but I've never seen anyone in my lifetime of watching hockey since 1977, in a Leaf uniform, as good as Auston Matthews.

I mean Gilmour arrived in Toronto at age 28 and led them back to the playoffs at age 29 - notwithstanding that he had won a cup already at age 25 with 22 points in 22 games. Sundin was 27 when the Leafs, with him as the captain, made the final-4. He had 16 points in 17 games that year. The other year, in 2000-01, he was injured and only played 8 playoff games when they reached the conference finals.

Matthews is 26 - younger than both when they found success here - and has already accomplished more than they had as Leafs. He has 20 points in his last 18 playoff games, and he isn't the reason the Leafs aren't progressing further.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Apr 2 @ 10:58 AM ET
That’s commitment.
TV’s are so hoooge now, split screen would offer a decent viewing size.

- Woderwick

You'd have to split into 4, but I'm surprised some company hasn't added it.

Like PIP, nobody would ever actually use it, but they could make a lot of commercials showing rabid sports fans having the times of their lives.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Apr 2 @ 11:01 AM ET
Robertson loves to turn the puck over in stellar fashion.
- Woderwick

I could not believe how awful his turnover was on the PP last night.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:03 AM ET
Two nice goals from the kid line but they were generally poop.

Keefe went heavy on matchups. JT's line plus Brodie/Boosh against Barkov all night and Kampf's line plus Benoit/McCabe against Bennett. Matthews line got a bit of everyone.

Pretty interesting to see Keefe run Dewar-Kampf-Reaves like a real shutdown line all night. He seemed to like them specifically against the Bennett-Tkachook line.

- The Law


I think the idea there is that Reaves isn't going to get pushed around, Dewar isn't big, but works through it - and Kampf might be where offense goes to die (I say despite him scoring a gorgeous work & skill goal last night), but he seems to like puck skirmishes.

The guy who was the weak link wasn't any of those three either, I didn't think. I mean even looking at the fancy stats - Brodie against Tkachuk - 1 scoring chance for, 7 against; Brodie against Bennet - 1 for, 9 against; but Barkov/Reinhart/Verhaeghe he was basically 1/1. He's cowing to physical play and it really shows in his results. He shouldn't be on against that line no matter what the score in the game is.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:11 AM ET
I could not believe how awful his turnover was on the PP last night.
- Atomic Wedgie

He offsets good with bad at about a 50% clip.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:14 AM ET
You'd have to split into 4, but I'm surprised some company hasn't added it.

Like PIP, nobody would ever actually use it, but they could make a lot of commercials showing rabid sports fans having the times of their lives.

- Atomic Wedgie

Spring can be nuts with everything going on.
My controller skills are top notch, but you’re pretty much forced to pick between 2 sports.
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:18 AM ET
I could not believe how awful his turnover was on the PP last night.
- Atomic Wedgie

Matthews turns the puck over in his own end with 50 seconds to go, then recovers and turns it into a spectacular ‘nail in the coffin”, empty netter.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Apr 2 @ 11:18 AM ET
So you don't need them to win, but you need them to win more than they have, but there's a shifting line somewhere that says what they need to accomplish before you can consider him as good as a player who played when there were 6 teams in the league?

Did you know there were only two rounds of the playoffs back then? By that token last year Matthews and Marner led the Leafs to the cup finals, but they ultimately lost.

The horrible comparison is your ambiguous line in the sand and determination that a player's ability and success is strictly attributable to the success of the team around them.

Doug Gilmour was the most successful modern-day Leaf in the playoffs. Healthy and energized Wendel was must-see-TV. Give-a-poop-Mats was capable of being dominant - but I've never seen anyone in my lifetime of watching hockey since 1977, in a Leaf uniform, as good as Auston Matthews.

I mean Gilmour arrived in Toronto at age 28 and led them back to the playoffs at age 29 - notwithstanding that he had won a cup already at age 25 with 22 points in 22 games. Sundin was 27 when the Leafs, with him as the captain, made the final-4. He had 16 points in 17 games that year. The other year, in 2000-01, he was injured and only played 8 playoff games when they reached the conference finals.

Matthews is 26 - younger than both when they found success here - and has already accomplished more than they had as Leafs. He has 20 points in his last 18 playoff games, and he isn't the reason the Leafs aren't progressing further.

- Monkeypunk

To say cup or bust is not what im trying to imply. Cups arent easy to win at all.
As ive said, right now imo, Matthews is a strong number 2 overall as best leafs and hes on the cusp of taking over number 1. I feel deep playoff runs where he helps carries the team or carries the team would get him over that two spot.
For me, breaking reg season records his great,
awesome, and Matthews, marner (if he signs long term) and willy will probably be 1-3 for all categories (maybe in different orders for each).
But playoff success, playoff moments, deep runs really add to and help define what goes into "best ever"....for me.
If Matthews doesnt win a cup but the leafs go to the 3rd round multiple times or to a cup final and he was a huge part of it? Then that easily props him up to 1. If the leafs win a cup? Hell, then every leafs players automatically becomes the top 25 lol.
So its no insult to Matthews, hes the man and is doing amazing things. But i want to see those amazing things he does consistently in the reg season, in the playoffs....multiple playoffs.
And yes i know it was only two rounds back in the day and a little easier road to the finals.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Apr 2 @ 11:22 AM ET
The gm didnt address the needs imo...just bandaids. I do like Turner though
But needed more hitting along with improved (or continued) defense. They simply cant stop someone stealing. Yet.

Lots of games left, so we'll see.
Hopefully a deep leafs run this spring if the jays get off to a rough start

- Fakepartofme


Shatkins is trash
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:23 AM ET
You'd have to split into 4, but I'm surprised some company hasn't added it.

Like PIP, nobody would ever actually use it, but they could make a lot of commercials showing rabid sports fans having the times of their lives.

- Atomic Wedgie


What's crazy is that for many of us old bastards, we grew up watching hockey in standard definition on a 27" or smaller TV. I remember in 2000, because I work in IT, I was paid a Y2K retention bonus, which I partially used to upgrade my TV to a whopping 32" 'flat screen' Sony. It weighed over 200lbs. It was gorgeous. But so very, very heavy.

Now I have a 65" in my living room and as I get older and everything gets harder to see, the idea of shrinking that picture size is preposterous! On poker nights I play upstairs in the bedroom where we have a 47" and the bloody thing is too small!
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

Apr 2 @ 11:27 AM ET
What's crazy is that for many of us old bastards, we grew up watching hockey in standard definition on a 27" or smaller TV. I remember in 2000, because I work in IT, I was paid a Y2K retention bonus, which I partially used to upgrade my TV to a whopping 32" 'flat screen' Sony. It weighed over 200lbs. It was gorgeous. But so very, very heavy.

Now I have a 65" in my living room and as I get older and everything gets harder to see, the idea of shrinking that picture size is preposterous! On poker nights I play upstairs in the bedroom where we have a 47" and the bloody thing is too small!

- Monkeypunk


time to get spectacles
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Apr 2 @ 11:31 AM ET
Matthews turns the puck over in his own end with 50 seconds to go, then recovers and turns it into a spectacular ‘nail in the coffin”, empty netter.
- Woderwick

Just wanted to add on the empty netter:

His shot looked effortless. He just flicked it in the net - from our blue line.

He's like no other player I have ever seen - 90% of his goals look mundane.

It's franking weird.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Apr 2 @ 11:31 AM ET
I think the idea there is that Reaves isn't going to get pushed around, Dewar isn't big, but works through it - and Kampf might be where offense goes to die (I say despite him scoring a gorgeous work & skill goal last night), but he seems to like puck skirmishes.

The guy who was the weak link wasn't any of those three either, I didn't think. I mean even looking at the fancy stats - Brodie against Tkachuk - 1 scoring chance for, 7 against; Brodie against Bennet - 1 for, 9 against; but Barkov/Reinhart/Verhaeghe he was basically 1/1. He's cowing to physical play and it really shows in his results. He shouldn't be on against that line no matter what the score in the game is.

- Monkeypunk


Ya, I believe Keefe showed his cards a bit ....Kampf line plus Benoit/McCabe was his preferred matchup v. Bennet/Tkachuk.

Keep Tavares line and Rielly pairing away from that line as much as possible ...so JT sees a lot of Barkov.

When Marner and Krok return our 3rd line gets a lot better (whatever the eventual line up) so we won't have to worry about the kid line.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Apr 2 @ 11:34 AM ET
He offsets good with bad at about a 50% clip.
- Woderwick


Which for a kid with his limited experience is probably what you'd expect. He's got some stuff you can't teach ..so he sits in the box watching this playoffs but I like the idea of him contributing next year if he can stay healthy (unless he's traded this summer for other good things.)
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Apr 2 @ 11:34 AM ET
Shatkins is trash

- Aaron_85

He has made some good trades and signings over his time here

But the varsho trade is horrible as of now.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:35 AM ET
To say cup or bust is not what im trying to imply. Cups arent easy to win at all.
As ive said, right now imo, Matthews is a strong number 2 overall as best leafs and hes on the cusp of taking over number 1. I feel deep playoff runs where he helps carries the team or carries the team would get him over that two spot.
For me, breaking reg season records his great,
awesome, and Matthews, marner (if he signs long term) and willy will probably be 1-3 for all categories (maybe in different orders for each).
But playoff success, playoff moments, deep runs really add to and help define what goes into "best ever"....for me.
If Matthews doesnt win a cup but the leafs go to the 3rd round multiple times or to a cup final and he was a huge part of it? Then that easily props him up to 1. If the leafs win a cup? Hell, then every leafs players automatically becomes the top 25 lol.
So its no insult to Matthews, hes the man and is doing amazing things. But i want to see those amazing things he does consistently in the reg season, in the playoffs....multiple playoffs.
And yes i know it was only two rounds back in the day and a little easier road to the finals.

- Fakepartofme


I'm not going to sit here and deny that we want to see Matthews dominate at least a playoff round if not more. We've seen him dominate shifts, periods and occasionally games - but I would like to see him be that guy for a series. I've seen Draisaitl do it in Edmonton as well as McDavid. We've all seen MacKinnon do it. We've seen Crosby, Malkin and Kucherov do it. So in that regard you're right - Matthews does need to step up and be _that_ guy for the Leafs. He's in the age bracket now where stepping up is expected - comparatively when the other stars showed that dominance, McDavid was 25, Draisaitl and Kucherov were 26, MacKinnon was 24, Malkin was 22 and Crosby was 21 - so Matthews is here in his age 26 season.

But I will say that, for me, what I see him do with and without the puck is like nothing I've ever seen anyone wearing the Leaf uniform do. I get you're talking playoffs - but Marner gets hurt, and Matthews has 18 points in 10 games, including leading the team with 10 assists, since Marner went out. He has a complete game.
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